Why Spirituality is so confusing

[Razard86]

Spirituality is the scariest thing ever. I have experienced Death so much it is hilarious at this point. All you learn at the end repeatedly is the intelligence within you is not more intelligent than you. Why? Because God was asleep dreaming your life. So you are more intelligent than God and all of God's creation is smarter than God because God was originally an unaware creator.

God is an amplifier in both directions. Life is just a story God created unconsciously to teach the infinite value of creating consciously. Lack of consciousness while wielding infinite power is pure evil. I was forced to submit to it and it awoke to what Goodness is. When God is asleep completely God is Satan, when partially asleep a Devil, and when fully awakened Heaven itself which we call God.

Anyone who says Evil does not exist is ignorant of what Absolute Infinity is......they are disconnected from the intimacy of life. Life is both the best and worst thing ever. It is only the best thing because it has never made its mission to be the worst thing ever. Be glad that was never Absolute Infinitie's decision.

Edited Tuesday at 07:23 PM by Razard86

[Aaron p]

[Yimpa]

                 AND THEN IT HITS YA...

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:54 PM by Yimpa

[Razard86]

58 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

                 AND THEN IT HITS YA...

 

Yep God is so powerful it bullies itself to understand victimhood, strength and ultimately weakness. But here is the scariest thing, there is individual karma and collective karma. Collective karma is a perpetual victim and can be viewed as a play of Consciousness because it is too good at creating hell. Once you master your own karma your spirit awakens to itself as part of the collective and you have to navigate the collective unconscious own self judgment. After you explore that the SELF/Universe truly awakens. 

 

[aurum]

8 hours ago, Razard86 said:

So you are more intelligent than God and all of God's creation is smarter than God because God was originally an unaware creator.

That part doesn't track.

You are not more intelligent than God.

[Vincent S]

9 hours ago, Razard86 said:

God is an amplifier in both directions. Life is just a story God created unconsciously to teach the infinite value of creating consciously.

This is what I have realised recently as well. 
To be fully Conscious of both directions is to fully merge the Duality from Within.

Ending the War...

[Mellowmarsh]

@Vincent S 👍

 

 

 

[Vincent S]

@Mellowmarsh Haha, brilliant 

[Mu_]

17 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Spirituality is the scariest thing ever. I have experienced Death so much it is hilarious at this point. All you learn at the end repeatedly is the intelligence within you is not more intelligent than you. Why? Because God was asleep dreaming your life. So you are more intelligent than God and all of God's creation is smarter than God because God was originally an unaware creator.

God is an amplifier in both directions. Life is just a story God created unconsciously to teach the infinite value of creating consciously. Lack of consciousness while wielding infinite power is pure evil. I was forced to submit to it and it awoke to what Goodness is. When God is asleep completely God is Satan, when partially asleep a Devil, and when fully awakened Heaven itself which we call God.

Anyone who says Evil does not exist is ignorant of what Absolute Infinity is......they are disconnected from the intimacy of life. Life is both the best and worst thing ever. It is only the best thing because it has never made its mission to be the worst thing ever. Be glad that was never Absolute Infinitie's decision.

Its always interesting to read about other peoples awakening and the views that emerge from it.  I can tell you've been somewhere in your journey, a lot of what you share lines up with mine in a similar way but what i've come to but the conclusions and expression is slightly different.  I'm not sure there is an honest way to ultimately and objectively state what Gods intentions are as an ALL and always has been singularity in motion.  Its refreshing to my mind to understand it isn't a negative thing, or a deliberate anything being harmful as an act, for a lack of a better expression, it just IS.  Yet you are right, it includes all forms of experience some of which could be hellish to experience.  And ya one can embody SELF in such ways that are truely beyond words and heavenly.  

I'm not sure I can agree with the idea that a separate or a connected someone to God, can be truely in direct control and choosing everything that will happen in its life.  I can see that it could appear that way for a prolonged amount of time, but not sure one can claim it will extend past the moment of its experience, maybe im wrong, and kinda hope I am.  

[Breakingthewall]

From your text, it's clear that you can't let go of meaning. This keeps you tied down, closed off. On the one hand, your spiritual inclination is strong; on the other, you haven't been able to understand how any preference or meaning is a barrier. Ideas like, "God does this for X" are a lock that keeps you locked in.

Reality unfolds inevitably given its absence of limitation, which makes everything inherently unstable. Instability translates into movement, incessant flow. Flow takes whatever forms it can take, maintaining synchronicity. This moment is the emanation of infinite possibilities in all directions, with only the possible materializing. The only God is the absence of limits. Anything else is relative to something else.

If you want enlightenment, empty yourself completely; let nothing remain. Any meaning you give to reality creates linear movement. If you eliminate meaning, movement ceases.

Reality doesn't become static but mutable, yet without advancing. It's a subtle difference. At a given moment, you are here and now, and you're not going anywhere. You're not moving forward; it's impossible. What appears is indifferent; it's simply what appears: changing shapes, colors, vibrations. They mean nothing; they're empty of meaning. They're like a kaleidoscope, constantly changing, always still in the now.

Then your vision ceases to be linear and becomes omnidirectional, that is, nondirectional. Reality takes on unfathomable depth, and you realize that you are reality, and what appears is only what appears.

Then you feel a sense of claustrophobia. You're trapped in the fact of being for eternity, going nowhere. It's total prison and absolute cosmic horror. This is a remnant of the ego. If you don't escape, reality immediately opens up. Its substance is revealed; it's unfathomable and it's absolute potential. It's what you are, the living infinity that lives given its infinity. Freedom, glory, absolute rupture from what traps you, constricts you, and limits you.

[Vincent S]

@Breakingthewall Great description!

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you feel a sense of claustrophobia. You're trapped in the fact of being for eternity, going nowhere. It's total prison and absolute cosmic horror. This is a remnant of the ego. If you don't escape, reality immediately opens up. Its substance is revealed; it's unfathomable and it's absolute potential. It's what you are, the living infinity that lives given its infinity. Freedom, glory, absolute rupture from what traps you, constricts you, and limits you.

I was just pondering this on my couch. Like if I'm not escaping this moment, this stillness that is ever-present; what I think I am doing ceases and It feels like freefalling in to something completely unknown, yet, it is freeing. But at the same time, I can see that it is Infinite in a directions and it expands the sense and control the ego think it has. Almost like overfilling a balloon with helium, almost at the point of the balloon popping.

[Sugarcoat]

I feel like you can do spirituality and all of that. Contemplation, meditation, psychedelics. And it all has a kind of mechanism, maybe a mechanism in the brain, how it affects the sense of self, and can contribute to breaking it apart (that’s the goal right? What else is there to do if you wanna see the reality instead of breaking the self?

But the thing is, what happens is that “spirituality” then turns into a world view, ideas and beliefs you hold. It turns into an attachment of your ego, you identify as spiritual person. Your worldview in your mind shapes your view of the world like a mental filter, so you see through your own mental filter. 
 

the trick is that it’s precisely THAT you want to BREAKTHROUGH. 
 

That’s kinda what happened to me. I meditated and saw how “spirituality” was a world view I held attached to my ego, so that layer of my mind/ego dissolved upon seeing that.

So today I could do spirituality , but it would be without the attachment to ego, it would be “pure” so to speak. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:37 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Vincent S said:

Almost like overfilling a balloon with helium, almost at the point of the balloon popping.

If you stay long enough at the point where there is no movement, no ground, no meaning, nothing at all except the fact that existing, at some point the balloon bursts, but if it doesn't, it's pretty unpleasant. There are two unpleasant possibilities: one that reality is dead emptiness, the other that you're trapped in eternity.

[Vincent S]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you stay long enough at the point where there is no movement, no ground, no meaning, nothing at all except the fact that existing, at some point the balloon bursts, but if it doesn't, it's pretty unpleasant. There are two unpleasant possibilities: one that reality is dead emptiness, the other that you're trapped in eternity.

So the extent of the remnant ego that has seen that this could go on forever, trapped in eternity/dead emptiness, or by fluke luck or "grace" this balloon pops, is how far this identity is willing to hold on to its own model, extend its self-identity, belief structures and its own persona?
No matter how big or small the identity is. Current self, the self who has been through all lives, the self who is God, the self who is Everything and so on? I remember glimpsing a very stark vision when I "accidentally" overdose Ketamine, I saw that the structure/identity who thinks it is God/Infinity, collapsed on to itself. It felt like this wholeness or this Infinite (S)elf was mixed in a blender and dissolved completely. Felt like Consciousness evaporated.

Edited Wednesday at 05:07 PM by Vincent S

[Sugarcoat]

What is that “death” you talk about?

[Vincent S]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What is that “death” you talk about?

Yeah, might be. But this one felt Total. I have "died" many times on psychedelics, probably hundred of times. But that one was something else entirely. 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Vincent S said:

Yeah, might be. But this one felt Total. I have "died" many times on psychedelics, probably hundred of times. But that one was something else entirely. 

Wow hundreds of trips and you’re still not permanently dissolved? 
 

There’s no hope for us 

[Vincent S]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Wow hundreds of trips and you’re still not permanently dissolved? 
 

There’s no hope for us 

Hahaha, nope. You're f*cked  

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Vincent S said:

Hahaha, nope. You're f*cked  

I still wanna do more psychedelics. Maybe I’m wired differently 

[Vincent S]

@Breakingthewall This bit stayed with me, searing in my mind ever since I saw this episode.

I have been wondering what Leo really meant by what he said in the end. It felt like this whole thing is precisely that, a trap. 
A Well Constructed Trap...