Females DO NOT Have More Options For Sexual Preferences

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Kid A said:

I meant the debate about which gender is more shallow.

Oh ok. I don't think it's shallow that men wants to fuck every hot chick he sees walking by. Not wanting to would be shallow. It's not that deep.😜

[Tenebroso]

@Princess Arabia I think I deserve an apology. There is a vast difference in my tone towards you and your tone towards me.

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

@Princess Arabia I think I deserve an apology. There is a vast difference in my tone towards you and your tone towards me.

If you can quote me something specific that i said that I need to apologize to you for, I will. Other than that, I was frustrated with you and i expressed that. I'm not sure how else frustration should look like. If you're asking me to apologize for being frustrated, then that's pretty balsy and is not appropriate as no one should have to apologize for the way they feel, only how they've expressed that feeling and I don't see where anything I've said that was disrespectful or an attack on you personally that I need to apologize for. If you do, please quote it and i will gladly review it and apologize if I see where I should.

Edited yesterday at 03:51 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

@TenebrosoI read that rant again and i did use the word "fucking", once. I apologize. The only other thing i will say is that maybe I exaggerated a bit about not responded to you ever again, maybe that was a bit much. I'm still open for your quotes on specifics. My tone may have been a bit harsh but I'm not apologizing for feeling frustrated. That wouldn't make any sense to me to have to apologize for that. If I had expressed that frustration in a violent, condescending, insulting or disrespectful way, then yes, but I didn't. Point to me where i did. You spoke about me being frustrated with other men, my tone, spiritual high-horse and me thinking you're beneath me. None of that was said in my response. Those were all you giving your own meanings to what was said and now you want me to apologize for your meanings. 

[Emerald]

13 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

📊 Relationship Status by Gender (U.S.)

Source: Pew Research Center (2020) & U.S. Census / General Social Survey

Men aged 18–29:

63% are single

Only 37% are in a relationship or married

Women aged 18–29:

34% are single

66% are in a relationship or married

I'll have to look into this source as I would need to look at how they're doing their sampling.

But even if true, that doesn't mean that women are all go for the top 20% of guys and that these top 20% of guys all have 5 girlfriends a piece... even in the most intensely hypergamy-related way of interpreting that data.

The way that I could interpret the data is 66% of women are dating 37% of guys. So, on your logic the top 37% of guys is dating the top 66% of women.... and everyone else is single.

So, if we think of this being out of 100 men and 100 women... That means that each man in the top 37% of men gets 1.78 girlfriends on average. So, that would mean every guy in the top 37% has either 1 or 2 girlfriends.

I'd say it's more likely that there's a mixture of things going on...

• Young men are less likely to look for a serious committed relationship than young women. Most young men want to do pick up and have fun and don't want to get locked down in a relationship.
• About 10% of Women are lesbians or bisexual and in committed relationships with women.
• Perhaps gay men being less likely to report being in a relationship compared to lesbian women as lesbian women tend to want to couple up while gay men might have more of a tendency to want to live the single life where he meets and sleeps with many men.
• Women dating men who are older than them by 1-12  years who don't get accounted for in the age ranges mentioned (The average age difference between men and women in a relationship is 2-3 years, with the man being older)
• Women over-reporting situationships and friends-with-benefits as "being a relationship"
• Men under-reporting situationships and friends-with-benefits as "not being in a relationship" 
• Women being in throuples and polycules with more women than men (not sure if that's a more common polyamory structure though, in the poly community. I'd have to look it up.).
• Women who get cheated on by trashy player guys or men who start multiple families unbeknownst to the wife. (men are more likely that women to have affairs... but my experience is that these player guys don't tend to be top 20% kind of guys. I'm from a redneck town and I've know some unemployed drug addicted players, most of whom are nothing special to look at either.)

Now, the latter elements of that do have to do with more women with fewer guys... but those guys aren't really cream of the crop kind of guys. So, it doesn't fit on that basis.

Plus, that probably accounts for like 5-10% of that discrepancy, while the other instances likely weigh in a lot more.

[Tenebroso]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

This discussion is pointless with you because of your obvious disdain for the circumstances surrounding your situation and personal experience. I saw a comment you made to Emerald about your scars and taking off your clothes once and how the woman you were with looked at you in disgust and now you're saying most women look at men with disgust. I'm through with you and even replying to any of your comments in this section. It's pointless and will not be advantageous because you take every topic and rage against the machine about your own personal trauma-based youth and onward and not taking into consideration that your situation is not the majority of cases. Saying generalized things about women that you believe to be the case is one thing but ranting about all women because you have a situation is just unbearable to listen to every time with you. This is why I don't bring up certain personal experiences I've had with men in conversations like these because I understand it's uniqueness to me and is not how men generally are and there are some decent men out there men who love women and would do anything for the woman he's with. Why a judge all men because of some asshole experience even if they were more than one. My point is that it's a numbers game and men will say this all the time when speaking about approaching, so if you have more options with whom you WANT to sleep with the cards. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong but you don't have to sound so fucking angry about it and people have different opinions about things all the time and can disagree without thinking the other is trying to troll or be condescending. It's There are guts on here in loving relationships and when I go out on the weekends sometimes I see lots of loving couples both young and old and also in my daily life just going about. Women aren't going around being in disgust with men in general and maybe you're one to be disgusted by, I don't know, but no need to carry that over in a general discussion and saying I'm wrong just because you were personally traumatized and you have scars on your body that some women are disgusted by. I deliberately wrote this response like this, no paragraphs, left mistakes and all and minimal punctuation because I'm ranting and got disgusted with your constant bickering and whining about women due to your own personal experiences without at least acknowledging that those experiences are just your own. Goodbye and no need fir me to even speak to you again because you only comment in this section and its always something bad to say about women so I won't be missing anything. Chow. 

The bolded.

I felt all of these had a harsh, aggressive tone. There seems to be an emphasis on disgust. I feel this is insensitive to trauma and how it influences a person perception. Everybody is dealing with something maybe not everyone is as open about me but it is not a reason to be dismissive.

I do post on other sections not anywhere as much on this section but I feel that is necessary. I am allowed to have a particular interest in a specific section. Maybe it's an area where I need to develop and work things out. A more immature young man would take this comment and run away to some forum or discord server where there is no one to challenge his views. I don't like echo chambers, I like being challenged but it should be respectful.

I made the point about spirituality because often the response on many topics comes down to essentially everything is about love, self awareness and doing the work but on the topic of dating dynamics specifically the tone is completely different. It feels as if I don't agree exactly with what is said about women I am on the verge of being insulted. Yes it's not exactly what you said here but an overall pattern which implies that I should know my place.

Edited yesterday at 05:06 PM by Tenebroso

[something_else]

14 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

📊 Relationship Status by Gender (U.S.)

Source: Pew Research Center (2020) & U.S. Census / General Social Survey

Men aged 18–29:

63% are single

Only 37% are in a relationship or married

Women aged 18–29:

34% are single

66% are in a relationship or married

A lot of this can be explained by the way the age boundaries are drawn. Many women aged lets say 25-29 are dating guys who are aged 30+. Hence you end up with statistics that, when looked at in isolation of 18-29 year olds, look very skewed.

Yes, there is probably some element of attractive guys in that age range dating multiple girls, but in my experience it's pretty rare for even attractive guys to lead multiple women on at the same time into thinking they're actually dating. Usually they're pretty open about it being casual because they don't need to put up a facade of commitment to get what they want

There are probably other factors influencing this too, but another that comes to mind is that there is more societal stigma for women who are single later in life than there is for men. So they're more likely to lie when surveyed.

Edited yesterday at 05:25 PM by something_else

[Princess Arabia]

26 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

I'm through with you and even replying to any of your comments in this section.

You really think someone should apologize for saying something like this. That's absurd. I'm still replying but I understand it was frustration why I said that and that's not disrespectful at all. 

 

26 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

maybe you're one to be disgusted by,

I said maybe, not that you were and I said the words "I don't know right after that. We were on the topic of disgust which you brought up first relating to how women see men. I was merely suggesting that you were speaking about yourself.

 

26 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

I deliberately wrote this response like this, no paragraphs, left mistakes and all and minimal punctuation because I'm ranting and got disgusted with your constant bickering and whining about women due to your own personal experiences without at least acknowledging that those experiences are just your own. Goodbye and no need fir me to even speak to you again because you only comment in this section and its always something bad to say about women so I won't be missing anything. Chow. 

 I got disgusted with your bickering and whining about women is not an attack on your character and personality. It would be like me saying someone's post made me feel disgusted, how is that an attack on a person personally. If I said I felt disgusted by YOU that's different than saying I was disgusted by your bickering and whining. "I'm so disgusted with putting up with men's shit is not being disgusted by men sexually" just giving an example. Even just saying I'm disgusted with the bickering and whining isn't an attack on your character and personality. I'm glad this shit is in writing. These are interpretations on your part and took out of context. If I said YOU DISGUST ME that's where I would need to apologize, but I didn't and there is a difference in the use of the word disgust there. Me saying why I wrote the response without punctuating, paragraphs and with mistakes left unchecked is seriously not a reason warranting an apology and ranting about how I don't want to speak to you again because it's frustrating to because you never have anything good to say doesn't warranty an apology either. It's how I felt, how I still feel and I said it without being disrespectful, cursed or derogatorily, and I'm speaking with you now just to clear up certain things. 

@Tenebroso

Just to note I said those things that it's saying Tenebroso said. It's just i quoted it from him quoting me. Just to clear that up.

Edited yesterday at 05:30 PM by Princess Arabia

[Tenebroso]

@Princess Arabia Ok well let's agree to disagree. I will stop responding to your post for the foreseeable future, I don't enjoy antagonizing people when it is not my intention at all.

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

@Princess Arabia Ok well let's agree to disagree. I will stop responding to your post for the foreseeable future, I don't enjoy antagonizing people when it is not my intention at all.

Love you, and I'm willing to put all that aside if you are. Regardless, it's done and i hope we can move on from that lover's spat. Don't start. ❤️❤️

Edited yesterday at 08:05 PM by Princess Arabia

[Thought Art]

21 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

What kind of standards do you think a man needs to possess for a female that sees him and says 'oh my gosh, he's so cute, I'd love to fuck his brains out, and will, if he lets me" Standards are out the door then. It's that most women aren't thinking like this; Some are and do, but they are far and few. With men, this is a daily occurrence. More options. It's just their options are limited to who will actually have sex.

A lot of guys want a relationship too. 
 

Personally, I would rather a deep relationship than be doing pickup. I’m only interested in the skill set as a means to an end.

Edited yesterday at 09:02 PM by Thought Art

[Princess Arabia]

21 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

A lot of guys want a relationship too. 
 

Personally, I would rather a deep relationship than be doing pickup. I’m only interested in the skill set as a means to an end.

Yes, I realize that, but the topic is more about options for sexual preferences. My comment wasn't insinuating that women are looking more for relationships than men are and that's why we don't walk around seeing guys we just want to have sex with. It's more from a biological stand point and how the feminine brain and sexual organs are 'wired'. Women usually end up in one-night stands, not going out specifically looking for it. Men, however, will go out specifically wanting to get laid and hoping they find someone. Women will see that person first then goes through the processes it takes to allow for the final decision to be made. Women are also lusting after men and only want sex, but a woman can see that in one or maybe two men in the time span of a year while men can see women they'll lust after every other day. These are generalizations and my pov and not definitely the case. 

[Hojo]

@Emerald the evidence for what hes saying is in the original post. This isn't the first time she makes a metaphysical claim as if its fact and then argues like metaphysics is fact to a point of having no conversation all the while claiming that no one exists. Its a loop of making metaphysical un true claims then arguing as if its a fact then verbally attack the person as if metaphysical assumptions can be true.

In this case unlike me he let the woman get to him and now he has to read a cocky i still love you 😍  bullshit. Don't let them gaslight you@Tenebroso

Edited yesterday at 09:48 PM by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

10 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

Tale about Jazz. Talking about the fact that I am responding while relaxed listening to music is a tale. Why do I trigger all of you so much? I don't really get it. I am not elevating my credibility. I am listening to my favourite genre of music while I responding, it's that simple.

Nobody's views are 100% based on fact and reality. Everything is coloured by perception to some extent and I simply sharing mine with no personal insults.

It is very hurtful to be treated like this by people I have either interacted with respectfully for long periods of time or by people I have barely interacted with. 

If you are hurt by the above, you are the one responsible for the feeling. If you read what I wrote, there was no attacking, no deragory language. I pointed out your side tactics for arguing and the lack of grounding for your beliefs. 

I didn't make you upset, you let yourself be upset by engaging in a conversation that challenges your beliefs.

Also note I didn't use any direct name calling with regards to - delusions - just that you should consider where your beliefs stem from, in an attempt for you to revisit your epistemology.

Overall this conversation has been interesting in unveiling hidden beliefs. On my side, I have had a benign curiosity with no emotion behind it. You have actually attempted to discredit others due to being 'emotional' ie not rational, while admitting you are emotional via the hurt comments. 

Lots of cognitive dissonance.

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Hojo]

It is her debate tactics. The second there is push back she changes the definition to fit better then changes then changes then says she starts hurling insults then if you dont stop she will say I am done with one last jab at you! It hapoen with me 15 times and now I see it happen with someone else. You just stopped before we could get the im done loop. Don't stop next time and watch the loop unfold. The whole i still love you 😍 is a final jab at you while you leave and feel like shit. Manipulation tactics to a tee and won't admit she's doing it.@Tenebroso

Edited yesterday at 10:34 PM by Hojo

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Emerald the evidence for what hes saying is in the original post. This isn't the first time she makes a metaphysical claim as if its fact and then argues like metaphysics is fact to a point of having no conversation all the while claiming that no one exists. Its a loop of making metaphysical un true claims then arguing as if its a fact then verbally attack the person as if metaphysical assumptions can be true.

In this case unlike me he let the woman get to him and now he has to read a cocky i still love you 😍  bullshit. Don't let them gaslight you@Tenebroso

Am I the "she" you're talking about here? If so, I don't quite know what you mean about making metaphysical claims as I'm really just talking about Occam's Razor relative to the statistics someone else provided.

I was just explaining the different facets of where the relationship statistic discrepancy likely comes from.

It's just observably not the case that women only go for the top 20% of guys and that the top 20% of guys are in secret or known polyamorous relationships with multiple women.

That kind of cheating or polyamory dynamic happens but is relatively uncommon... and certainly isn't the rule.

Most women are not okay with being in a poly relationship regardless of who the guy is. And while cheating happens, it wouldn't be on a scale that gobbles up all the female prospects on the market.

That's just the fear that men have... which is that women aren't capable of loving them unless they're on top of the value Hierarchy. And they can use these stats to re-inforce that narrative that makes their feelings of anxiety and loneliness make logical sense.

But it's really just a victim narrative parading itself as truth. And it isn't good for men because it will defeat them before they ever give themselves a chance to meet a woman. And it will degrade the quality of connection because he will projecting all these skewed narratives onto her.

As with anything, let go of these narratives, and just interact with women with a beginner's mind. And if you show up unburdened by the propaganda and you're a normal guy, you will see that these narratives aren't accurate.

 

[Hojo]

@Emerald 

'As with anything, let go of these narratives, and just interact with women with a beginner's mind. And if you show up unburdened by the propaganda and you're a normal guy, you will see that these narratives aren't accurate.' I am quoting and responding to back the quote as an answer to you and the original poster

As with anything, let go of these narratives, and just interact with men with a beginner's mind. And if you show up unburdened by the propaganda and you're a woman, you will see that these narratives aren't accurate.

Your opinions on subjective reality are not objective! If you get to have an opinion everyone else does and this is our view this is why I say women gaslight you at every step.

Everything for women is man change you are scared. You are just as scared you change.

The she I was referring to was princess arabia she makes metaphysical claims as fact while also saying she dosent exist. Then claims these are logic based. Then like you just did gaslight the person into thinking their logic is wrong by saying they need to change metaphysically or are somehow metaphysically wrong with their view about objective reality. Everyone gets to have opinions and they are right about this stuff. So we have to use hypotheticals to come to common ground. When Men use hypothetical to come to common metaphysical ground the woman claim that they are victim blaming or being insane or somehow fucked up. What we say is our subjective view of a field we are using the same logic to come to concluding and saying I need to change is you saying you need to change.

This is emotional assault what is being said. Its saying I can have an opinion and you have to let go of yours cause its wrong and based on a lie. Who are you to say someones subjective view is wrong?

This man is being bullied.

Edited 19 hours ago by Hojo