Personality types most likely to be spiritual

[Natasha Tori Maru]

25 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

That’s fascinating, because when I imagine concrete construction it is as physical as it gets.

Or perhaps it’s the hard knock life 😅

I know - I never imaged I would work in construction. Tell me I work in this field 4 years back? I'd be dry retching

It has really taught me a lot, and I never realised the creative solutions involved in being a good construction manager. I had to have the soy boy beaten out of me to be proficient though  But now I love the roofers, concreters and steel guys who are ROUGH AS GUTS. I don't fit in appearance or behaviour wise. But I know how to get the best out of people !

[Hojo]

3)Logician (INTP-T)– “The Metaphysical Analyst”

Why they’re drawn: Fascinated by existence itself, truth, and logic

Style: Abstract, skeptical, curious

Themes: Ontology, consciousness, paradox, epistemology

Typical path: Reading dense philosophy, theoretical theology, questioning belief systems

(I dont read I just watch and listen to it)

https://www.16personalities.com/articles/assertive-logician-intp-a-vs-turbulent-logician-intp-t - Difference between intp a and intp t

It sounds like intp t is a traumatized intp a

Edited Friday at 02:57 AM by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

I'm sure MBTI has the exact same issue that Spiral Dynamics has of people aspiring to be a type they are not. For men, it's usually INTP, for women, it tends to be INFJ. It's interesting how basically everyone on the internet who talks about MBTI is supposedly either INTP or INFJ but they are only 5% and 1.5% of the population.

Edited Friday at 04:26 AM by Carl-Richard

[Hojo]

@Carl-Richard There are probably several thousands of factors at play. Including personality types, there are soccer players and there are introspectors. Introspectors are probably on the computer introspecting. Maybe the personality tests are lying. Information pushed to your eyes. People feel special so they look for things that make them feel special and like it.

Google says 4 percent of the population is lgbt why do I see it everywhere on the internet. Bots?

 

Edited Friday at 05:20 AM by Hojo

[PenguinPablo]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm sure MBTI has the exact same issue that Spiral Dynamics has of people aspiring to be a type they are not. For men, it's usually INTP, for women, it tends to be INFJ. It's interesting how basically everyone on the internet who talks about MBTI is supposedly either INTP or INFJ but they are only 5% and 1.5% of the population.

Yeah... that's why I have basically fed ChatGPT a shit ton of personal information (bad idea maybe) and it says I am INFP even though I always got different results on tests. 

I feel that gives less room for bias because I just expressed, as earnestly and unfiltered. 

Edited Friday at 05:42 AM by PenguinPablo

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm sure MBTI has the exact same issue that Spiral Dynamics has of people aspiring to be a type they are not. For men, it's usually INTP, for women, it tends to be INFJ. It's interesting how basically everyone on the internet who talks about MBTI is supposedly either INTP or INFJ but they are only 5% and 1.5% of the population.

found this graphic. In my interpretation it suggests that with different circumstances different personality types might manifest:

https://typologytriad.wordpress.com/mbti-population-by-country/

Analogously maybe the people talking about it on the internet are already a certain group of people.

[Carl-Richard]

45 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

Yeah... that's why I have basically fed ChatGPT a shit ton of personal information (bad idea maybe) and it says I am INFP even though I always got different results on tests. 

I feel that gives less room for bias because I just expressed, as earnestly and unfiltered. 

I have proposed this as the future of personality tests (and Spiral Dynamics tests for that matter): you feed ChatGPT live data throughout your day through an app for a month, a year: speaking data with context codes (you spoke what to whom in what situation, and also what was spoken to you), combined with an eye tracker and psychophysiological measurements through a smartwatch (EKG, EDA, HbO/HbR), i.e. how do you respond emotionally to certain utterances and situations. Every online utterance is also tracked. This is how you get valid and reliable measurements: detailed data, large data sets, measurements in daily situations ("ecological validity"), independently collected by 3rd party (no self-report and the myriad of biases from that). AI will also revolutionize the very personality theories that exist. You can use the same measurement paradigm to do exploratory research to build new models, like what Clare Graves did or Jean Piaget did but just scaled up 1 000 000 x, and maybe we can even get the first non-nebulous cross-cultural models.

Edited Friday at 06:27 AM by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

46 minutes ago, Jannes said:

found this graphic. In my interpretation it suggests that with different circumstances different personality types might manifest:

https://typologytriad.wordpress.com/mbti-population-by-country/

Analogously maybe the people talking about it on the internet are already a certain group of people.

They are, but I think we tend to overestimate how different spaces select different people. We're talking about people on the internet; that's essentially everyone on the planet. We're talking about people talking on the internet; that's a lot of people. We're talking about people talking about the most talked about personality theory in the world (that's a safe bet). That's a lot of people. Out of those, the geeks are more likely Ns, but Ns are still 25% of the world population.

INTP and INFJ are the most identified with because they are the most sought after and valued (socially, culturally and personally) and resonates with one's aspirations. Every man wants to be an intellectual/logical genius, every woman wants to be an intuitive/emotional genius. It's the Tier 2 of MBTI.

Edited Friday at 07:03 AM by Carl-Richard

[Jannes]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

INTP and INFJ are the most identified with because they are the most sought after and valued (socially, culturally and personally) and resonates with one's aspirations. Every man wants to be an intellectual/logical genius, every woman wants to be an intuitive/emotional genius. It's the Tier 2 of MBTI.

There are other aspects I value as much or more then raw iq for example embodying goodness, creativity, intuition but I would agree that generally that is a trend together with good leadership as a guy.

I find this pretty funny and it strenghtens your point: I heard people talk about iq in real life and never ever have I heard someone speak of an iq below 120, but 120 is less then 10% of the population.

[meta_male]

12 hours ago, Jannes said:

I am INFP as well. While I very much appreciate Leos excellence in his work and find it interesting and important it was always missing some of the juice, some poetry for me.

I am also INFP and always loved his raw, no bullshit style. I find it very grounding.

[Jannes]

2 hours ago, meta_male said:

I am also INFP and always loved his raw, no bullshit style. I find it very grounding.

I like it as well.

Its just if I do the work myself its more connected to meaning and art but I am still at the process of finding that out.

[Nilsi]

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

INTP and INFJ are the most identified with because they are the most sought after and valued (socially, culturally and personally) and resonates with one's aspirations. Every man wants to be an intellectual/logical genius, every woman wants to be an intuitive/emotional genius. It's the Tier 2 of MBTI.

I think most men and women actually want to be ESTP/ESFP Chads and Stacys. But when it comes to people who are into such models in the first place, you might be right.

[Nilsi]

Also, I disagree with OP’s assessment. I think Ni (introverted intuition) dominants are the most spiritual - almost by definition. That’s actually what Jung, whose insights these models are based on, said about Ni:

“The introverted intuitive has a special relation to the unconscious. He lives in a world of images and symbols, perceiving the numinous and the transcendent before it enters consciousness.”

So that would be INTJs and INFJs.

In INTPs and INFPs, introverted intuition is actually their demonstrative function - which means they can use it strongly when needed, but it’s not a core part of how they see themselves or how they orient their lives.

Edited Friday at 03:23 PM by Nilsi

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I think most men and women actually want to be ESTP/ESFP Chads and Stacys. But when it comes to people who are into such models in the first place, you might be right.

Yes you're right. All the Ns wanna be INTP/INFJ, all the Ss want to be ESTP/ESFP, roughly speaking of course.

[Schizophonia]

https://www.16personalities.com/fr/résultats/entj-a/m/4mbb4s2t8

Lolz, it says i'm ENTJ; I don't know why.

I often found the questions unclear.

Edited Friday at 03:26 PM by Schizophonia

[Nilsi]

I think Socionics is by far the most robust and insightful model for understanding personality. It’s based on Jung’s functions, which all appear in each type but at different levels of the hierarchy. Depending on their position, the functions play different roles: base, creative, role, vulnerable, etc. Once you study Jung’s descriptions and reflect on how these functions manifest in you, you can type yourself very reliably - much more so than with MBTI, where you’re basically just winiging it.

For me, it’s clear now that I’m an INTJ (ILI-Se). Ni is my core strength, but I’ve also developed a strong Se subtype - assertiveness, presence, power, aesthetics. A subtype isn’t a different function order but reflects which traits you’ve developed or emphasized based on life experiences, career, or social roles.

My creative function is Te (strategic, pragmatic thinking), and my vulnerable function is Fi (personal values aren’t my focus). My suggestive function is Fe, which explains why I crave emotional harmony and social mood regulation in others. Etc.

[Nilsi]

Slot 1 – Base (Leading):

Your dominant, natural strength. You use it automatically and confidently.

 

Slot 2 – Creative:

Supports the base function. Flexible, creative, adaptive.

 

Slot 3 – Role:

Social mask. You can use it when needed, but it’s tiring.

 

Slot 4 – Vulnerable (PoLR — Point of Least Resistance):

Your blind spot. Weak, often causes stress or avoidance.

 

Slot 5 – Suggestive (Dual-Seeking):

You crave this function in others. It’s a psychological need.

 

Slot 6 – Mobilizing (Activation):

Develops over time. You enjoy using it, especially when validated by others.

 

Slot 7 – Ignoring (Demonstrative):

You can use it easily, but it’s not a focus. You usually downplay it.

 

Slot 8 – Background (Demonstrative):

Strong but passive. You use it when necessary, often unconsciously.

[Nilsi]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_cognitive_functions

[Nilsi]

Once you know your Base (leading) and Creative functions, the rest of the eight function slots follow a fixed pattern.

 

Base (Slot 1): Your dominant, natural strength. This is the first function of your type.

Creative (Slot 2): Supports the base function. This is the second function of your type.

Role (Slot 3): Usually the opposite kind of function to the creative function (same orientation — introverted or extraverted — but a different element). You can use it when needed, but it’s tiring.

Vulnerable / PoLR (Slot 4): The weakest function. It’s the opposite of your base function and often causes stress or avoidance.

Suggestive (Slot 5): The function you unconsciously crave or seek out in others. It’s usually opposite or complementary to your creative function.

Mobilizing (Slot 6): Develops over time. Supports your suggestive function and becomes more important as you mature.

Ignoring / Demonstrative (Slot 7): A function you can use well, but don’t focus on. Often downplayed even though it’s strong.

Background / Demonstrative (Slot 8): A strong but passive function you use unconsciously or when necessary.

 

 

So: once you choose your base and creative functions, the rest of the slots are automatically determined by the standard Model A pattern for your type

 

[Nilsi]

And you can of course reverse engineer this by starting at whatever slot you want.