My take on Christianity

[patricknotstar]

jesus is God—but not in the simplistic sense people imagine. he’s not just God wearing a human disguise. he is God fully identifying with human finitude: taking on a real, vulnerable human consciousness, subject to suffering, fear, and even doubt. this isn’t God pretending to be human—it’s God becoming fully human, including the limits of human experience.

on the cross, jesus doesn’t suffer as God in omnipotent detachment. he suffers as a man, abandoned, humiliated, and in pain. that suffering is profound precisely because he experiences it fully, not as some distant observer but as someone who’s truly entered into human fragility.

if God is truly all-powerful, then he’s powerful enough to limit himself—even to the point of temporarily surrendering divine awareness. if he can’t do that, then his power isn’t complete. the incarnation is the mystery of God choosing to set aside omniscience and omnipotence, not by ceasing to be God, but by living as if he were only man, for our sake.

if jesus had faced death with full knowledge of his divinity and guaranteed resurrection, the cross would feel more like a formality than a sacrifice. but christian theology affirms that jesus’ cry—“my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (mark 15:34)—wasn’t staged. it was the cry of someone who had truly entered into the human condition, including the terror of death and the absense of God.

that’s what makes the sacrifice real: it’s the death of ego, the surrender of self-preservation, even the willingness to lose one’s identity—not because it will be restored, but because love for others outweighs the need to survive as a seperate self.

 

tldr: This theory suggests that Jesus wasn’t just God appearing human—He truly became human by voluntarily suspending His divine awareness and power. If God is truly omnipotent, He has the power to limit Himself, even to the point of not knowing He is God while living and dying as Jesus. That makes the crucifixion a real sacrifice, not just a divine performance—because Jesus didn’t go to the cross with guaranteed awareness of resurrection, but with the genuine fear, doubt, and loss of self that only true love could endure.

[Sugarcoat]

If Jesus was all his life fully identified with the human ego where did he get all his wisdom and preaching from?

[Aaron p]

Nice take. Yeah biblically he sweat blood the night before cuz he was able to sense what was coming and he was stressed to the max

[Sugarcoat]

Why is it suddenly okay to torture someone when it’s for “a good cause” ? Smh imagine if you was Jesus getting crucified . 

Edited April 30 by Sugarcoat

[abrakamowse]

4 hours ago, patricknotstar said:

jesus is God

And so are you

[gettoefl]

11 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Why is it suddenly okay to torture someone when it’s for “a good cause” ? Smh imagine if you was Jesus getting crucified . 

The good cause is to prove to you that the body is nothing. The body doesn't feel even when you hammer nails in it. And he got right up and carried on his work after he was apparently put to death. You of course don't experience that. But if you believe it and practice it you can get the same point. That's why he did it. So you don't have to go to such extremes. Do what he taught then the body will become nothing. You were never a body. You can realize this like he did. In A course in miracles, they call the cross - The last useless journey.

Edited May 1 by gettoefl

[Sugarcoat]

9 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

 You were never a body. You can realize this like he did. 

That’s the goal…

[Nilsi]

I’d even take this a step further: through Jesus, God doesn’t just experience human fragility - he also experiences something like atheism.

On the cross, Jesus isn’t thinking, “It’s fine, this is temporary, I’ll be resurrected soon.”

He’s genuinely abandoned. “My God, why have you forsaken me?” isn’t a performance - it’s the real terror of no God answering.

And after that, he doesn’t promise to return in power. Instead, he tells his followers, “When you love one another, that’s where you’ll find me.”

It’s like divine presence shifts from being a person above us to something shared between us.

[Nilsi]

Just now, Nilsi said:

I’d even take this a step further: through Jesus, God doesn’t just experience human fragility - he also experiences something like atheism.

On the cross, Jesus isn’t thinking, “It’s fine, this is temporary, I’ll be resurrected soon.”

He’s genuinely abandoned. “My God, why have you forsaken me?” isn’t a performance - it’s the real terror of no God answering.

And after that, he doesn’t promise to return in power. Instead, he tells his followers, “When you love one another, that’s where you’ll find me.”

It’s like divine presence shifts from being a person above us to something shared between us.

That’s a totally different vibe from how Peter Thiel - and guys like JD Vance, who basically follow his lead - think about Christianity.

For them, Jesus’ death is like a cosmic deal: it wipes the slate clean, gets rid of sin, and sets up a real Second Coming where everything gets wrapped up and fixed.

It’s all about freedom from sacrifice, suffering, and even history itself - kind of a libertarian, techno-futurist take.

Žižek - which is basically the reading I was laying out above - flips that on its head. The death of God doesn’t set up some future miracle. It leaves us with the task of building community, sticking together, and taking care of each other - without waiting for some higher power to swoop in and save the day.

[Aaron p]

Just beware of Christianity. It's filled with a load of hocus pocus bullshit 🪄🎩 zero calibration. If your gonna join a cult, join Buddhism... Significantly better

[Nilsi]

21 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

Just beware of Christianity. It's filled with a load of hocus pocus bullshit 🪄🎩 zero calibration. If your gonna join a cult, join Buddhism... Significantly better

Nah, Buddhism is the worst ideology of all.

You might as well just kill yourself if you’re going to negate life into oblivion.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Nilsi said:

I’d even take this a step further: through Jesus, God doesn’t just experience human fragility - he also experiences something like atheism.

On the cross, Jesus isn’t thinking, “It’s fine, this is temporary, I’ll be resurrected soon.”

He’s genuinely abandoned. “My God, why have you forsaken me?” isn’t a performance - it’s the real terror of no God answering.

And after that, he doesn’t promise to return in power. Instead, he tells his followers, “When you love one another, that’s where you’ll find me.”

It’s like divine presence shifts from being a person above us to something shared between us.

He was showing that the illusions of abandonment, betrayal, cruelty, dejection need to be dealt with head on by anyone wanting to awaken.

See the terror of the abandonment and then see the madness of believing it. Don't skip any steps. Every illusion needs forgiving. I do this to myself.

[Breakingthewall]

18 hours ago, patricknotstar said:

God is truly all-powerful, then he’s powerful enough to limit himself

If God were all-powerful, it could choose to be limited, but since it can't, it's completely powerless. It's the inevitable consequence of the absence of limits. And Jesus was a man with profound vision who was crucified. The same thing could happen to you.

[Breakingthewall]

Anyway, Christianity is the religion that aims for true openness, but it must be interpreted correctly. Christ is a metaphor, as is original sin. Christ's bleeding heart is the door to the whole. Buddha's still mind is limited; it lacks the blood of Christ. The Trinity is the formless whole, the form and totality of synchronistic forms. Christianity is true mysticism.

[Nemra]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Christianity is the religion that aims for true openness, but it must be interpreted correctly.

The irony is that to interpret it non-ideologically, one has not to be a Christian or cling to Christianity, which makes Christianity one of the best tools for self-deception.

If you think that Christianity makes people open-minded, then you should reevaluate your views of Christianity beyond the innocent mystical aspect.

Edited May 1 by Nemra

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Nemra said:

you think that Christianity makes people open-minded, then you should reevaluate your views of Christianity beyond the innocent mystical aspect.

I was not talking about the impact of Christianity but about its essence.

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I was not talking about the impact of Christianity but about its essence.

What's good about its essence if its impact makes people closed-minded, biased, and clueless about direct experience?

[Salariatu]

Jesus was not God nor after he passed away. He had a degree of awakening, that's all. 

Remember, without the crusades and inquisition, you would not believe in Jesus. Society was forced to believe or die. And the crucifixion on behalf of others is a made up lie. See why the sun passes in front of crux constellation from 22 december to 25 december. If the sun would have passed in front of another constellation in those dates, today we would have another symbol in christianity, not the cross. See the The Zeitgeist: The Movie 2007.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

On 01.05.2025 at 1:54 PM, Nilsi said:

I’d even take this a step further: through Jesus, God doesn’t just experience human fragility - he also experiences something like atheism.

On the cross, Jesus isn’t thinking, “It’s fine, this is temporary, I’ll be resurrected soon.”

He’s genuinely abandoned. “My God, why have you forsaken me?” isn’t a performance - it’s the real terror of no God answering.

And after that, he doesn’t promise to return in power. Instead, he tells his followers, “When you love one another, that’s where you’ll find me.”

It’s like divine presence shifts from being a person above us to something shared between us.

My personal favorite, the Gospel of John, has a different scene—perhaps a Hellenic flavor.

25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

The Death of Jesus

28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Edited May 3 by Sucuk Ekmek
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