I Am Transgender

[Nemra]

@Salvijus, I misread your response to @Davino.

I was trying to show you that you treat the issue as if they don't have good and legit reasons to do what they do, and you think of yourself seriously when you need to while ignoring others' seriousness.

Edited April 17 by Nemra

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Salvijus, I misread your response to @Davino.

I was trying to show you that you treat this as if they don't have good and legit reasons to do what they do, and you think of yourself seriously when you need to while ignoring others' seriousness.

Ok

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Everything is permitted. Not everything is wise tho. 

What else is not wise? Please stop evading and answer the question.

Edited April 17 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Masculine usually have more fire energy in them. That's why they always end up in heated situations like battles and debates. Too much fire in them. Women are more water dominat element, they tend to withdraw where there is too much heat or conflict, find a nice place somewhere else and build a pleasent atmosphere around it. Clearance doesn't strike me as a fire warrior, cutting-through-your-way-to-victory person. Which is what you'd normally expect from water element people. 

Instead of calling other people water people, why don't you answer the question which I've been asking for the third time now and which you've been evading with your water boy attitude? This level of forwardness in my response is completely intentional, because you are being incredibly disrespectful to the original poster.

Edited April 17 by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Instead of calling other people water people, why don't you fucking answer the question which I've been asking for the third time now and which you've been evading with your water boy ass attitude? 

Do you even understand your own question? 

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This level of fowardness in my response is purely intentional, because you are being incredibly disrespectful to the original poster.

Firey response indeed, it's okay, I don't mind fire, you can go full force. 

Edited April 17 by Salvijus

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Do you even understand your own question? 

Literally abuser talk. Gaslighting instead of answering a simple question. Stand up for what you think. Answer the question. Be a man.

Edited April 17 by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Literally abuser talk. Gaslighting instead of answering a simple question. Stand up for what you think. Answer the question. Be a man.

You want me to list all the things that are not wise?

Everything that came from ego is not wisdom. Everything that comes from love is wisdom. 

[Carl-Richard]

10 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You want me to list all the things that are not wise?

Everything that came from ego is not wisdom. Everything that comes from love is wisdom. 

So essentially everything in your life is not wise, and it has nothing to do with gender in particular. Great.

Edited April 17 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Firey response indeed, it's okay, I don't mind fire, you can go full force. 

In retrospect, the profanity was not needed, but the rest was. I'll apologize, but I think you should think about how it makes someone feel when you call them not manly for really no reason.

Edited April 17 by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

So essentially everything in your life is not wise, and it has nothing to do with gender in particular. Great.

👍 Pursuing your life purpose would be wise. 

Edited April 17 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

In retrospect, the profanity was not intentional, but the rest was.

It's okay 

[Adrian colby]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

There are people who make videos "why I detransitioned" sharing their insights into what was running them. 

That’s because those people weren’t trans in the first place. It also goes to show depending on someone’s sensitivity how unrealistic expectations of social stereotypes ruin a persons experience of their own uniqueness. 
it can also be the case that the social pressure and lack of safety and dismissal can be so emotionally hurtful to someone that they shut down their authenticity and go back into hiding again.

theres a case of an ftm who went through conversion therapy via a church community. They detransitioned but is on social media on a regular basis still dreaming she’s a man. An individual who is clearly still struggling and deeply sad with their situation even though they’ve been conditioned to accept and align with only the female part of their biology. 

[Carl-Richard]

17 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

👍 Pursuing your life purpose would be wise. 

Just curious, do you fancy yourself situated in Tier 2 in Spiral Dynamics?

Edited April 17 by Carl-Richard

[Adrian colby]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Trans is most likely an issue of genetic neuro-divergence. Seems to be the best explanation of it. Similar to how some people are gay.

For a genetically normal person deciding if you're male of female is so easy it's a non-issue. Like breathing air. There's no confusion or struggle. Just like there's no struggle about who to have sex with.

Mosaic theory (the ineptitude of the human mind to grasp it maybe impossible to create definitions owing to the boundless mess of infinite diversity) ordered/disordered but still existent and experiential. 

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

That’s because those people weren’t trans in the first place. It also goes to show depending on someone’s sensitivity how unrealistic expectations of social stereotypes ruin a persons experience of their own uniqueness. 
it can also be the case that the social pressure and lack of safety and dismissal can be so emotionally hurtful to someone that they shut down their authenticity and go back into hiding again.

theres a case of an ftm who went through conversion therapy via a church community. They detransitioned but is on social media on a regular basis still dreaming she’s a man. An individual who is clearly still struggling and deeply sad with their situation even though they’ve been conditioned to accept and align with only the female part of their biology. 

Valid points, yes. But you're a bit bias in selecting the cases that serve you.  Some cases actually show just a deep psychological problem. Not everyone may be into trans for the same reason. Perhaps there are some cases that are genuine, I don't know. Not for me to say that, only one's own person's deep honesty can tell. 

Edited April 17 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Just curious, do you fancy yourself situated in Tier 2 in Spiral Dynamics?

I try not to limit myself to any model. And I don't waste time thinking what stage I am. I have no clue what stage I am, I'm just going forward. Like wild fire in color of white. 

Edited April 17 by Salvijus

[Staples]

@Clarence Respect. Very well said.

[UnbornTao]

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

The role you play may or may not be who you are. But who you are will definitely have a unique role to play meant for you. 

I don't mean that as the way you show up or behave, but the one that you are, which is really up for grabs. What unique role would that be? Don't people adopt various roles as they see fit, like the clothes that you wear? If you are indeed meant to play a unique role, what is that determined by? Who determines that?

Trying to make a deeper point.

Edited April 17 by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

39 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I don't mean that as the way you show up or behave, but the one that you are, which is really up for grabs. What unique role would that be? Don't people adopt various roles as they see fit, like the clothes that you wear? If you are indeed meant to play a unique role, what is that determined by? Who determines that?

Trying to make a deeper point.

That's a topic for another day. I'm enjoying the peace after the storm right now. 

[Adrian colby]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Some cases actually show just a deep psychological problem.

That was my second point. None of those cases serve me because none justify my existence. It’s just a few observations lending to both internal and external influences creating a wide variety of variation in experiences people have ie: all of the above. Unfortunately for the sake of communication and keeping it short, it can’t go into a comprehensive list so tends to take the stance of one or only a couple of perspectives. 
 

of the cases that people have presented to me in the past for arguments sake, in the de-transitioner camp, the back story of the person suggests a rapid onset of the condition which suggests psychological coping difficulties, ( shutting down to the self, deflecting and adapting to survive emotional pain by changing its character or persona drastically) which is not transgenderism ( which has a history from early to mid childhood of consistent cross gender identification )
 

that’s not implying that other types of cases and scenarios don’t exist ( they do) it’s just a generalisation of what I’ve come across.

what is being said here is that psychological disorder is not the condition in question as the condition in question is known to have a biological basis to it ( that also doesn’t dismiss the external factors that also influence a personas makeup) it’s a complex system. 
 

I cannot allow my bias to get in the way if I am to keep up to date with the ongoing study and understanding. I do have direct experience of the condition so I have a unique opportunity to also be able to look at it from inside the experience.