Steelmanning Buddhist deconstruction - Emptiness = God

[Hello from Russia]

True

Though if you study H20 by itself very closely, you'll probably understand lots of things about ocean as well, though of course there is much more to the ocean

But also In a sense ocean is just 1 variation of how H20 can exist in nature. It's still kinda useful to "pierce" and interlace notions upon each other and connect stuff

Edited April 12 by Hello from Russia

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Water by the River said:

There is something formless and perfect before the universe was born. It is serene. Empty. Solitary. Unchanging. Infinite. Eternally present. It is the mother of the universe. For lack of a better name, I call it the Tao."

If the universe is a manifestation of the Tao, the universe is the Tao. If the Tao has the potential to be form, there is always form, because formlessness is never, out of the time. 

Enjoy China, do good business, meet Chinese witches in the skyscrapers of Shanghai!

[gettoefl]

21 hours ago, Someone here said:

Well what do you think  "God in its purest form " is if not nothingness/pure emptiness/formlessness etc ?

God is empty to mind. I can't have any bugger taking up some of my real estate. Be empty and stay empty. dear mofo. 

[gettoefl]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Emptiness is impossible, since it is, and Being is everything. There is no emptiness; it is simply a circumstantial realization, the absence of definite form. In essence, form and formlessness are indistinguishable from each other. They differ only in appearance, not in substance. So, to say that God is Emptiness is meaningless. God is reality, and reality is. Being is everything. Absolutely everything is in Being, and Being is infinite because it's dimensionless 

 

God is empty to every mind. I am not having any other god before me as the bible says. This is my show until the death and longer if my cunning plans pay off, and I will defend this with my life my religion my genius and deign not to hear otherwise.

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[Oppositionless]

They're missing out on a couple juicy qualities of God that are more than just emptiness. If it was just emptiness there would be no form. But form , made of emptiness, is constructed with exquisite and mind numbing intelligence and imagination .

Emptiness is the stage , they're missing the play , the Shakti. Emptiness doesn't guarantee gravity won't just randomly stop working one day, you need divine order for that.

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[Leo Gura]

God-Realization is not merely form either. That too is a kind of mistake in reductionism. God is a kind of consciousness's recognition of itself. If that recognition is missing then God has not been grasped.

We are not talking about form or no form. We are talking about a self-reflective recognition. Like, does the banana recognize that it is a banana? If you try to boil that recognition down in any other thing or no-thing then you missed the assignment.

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[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, let's assume that a person knows what direct experience means.

Does God-realization for that person mean to not only identify with the things that he calls "me" but also with things that he calls "other", as they all are happening in his direct experience?

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[Yimpa]

@Nemra identity is being mistaken as being separate from you and not God..

[Oppositionless]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

God-Realization is not merely form either. That too is a kind of mistake in reductionism. God is a kind of consciousness's recognition of itself. If that recognition is missing then God has not been grasped.

We are not talking about form or no form. We are talking about a self-reflective recognition. Like, does the banana recognize that it is a banana? If you try to boil that recognition down in any other thing or no-thing then you missed the assignment.

I'm gonna be tripping soon, now I know what intention to set. To realize myself as God by transcending any form of reductionism. I wish I understood what you meant but working for it will be worth it.

I guess my trouble is that I don't see how emptiness is God. Because it seems... dead. I can see how form is God, because it is self-organizing, but emptiness, that's a tough one. I think I'm attached to form ,because  I don't want to die. 

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[gettoefl]

9 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

I'm gonna be tripping soon, now I know what intention to set. To realize myself as God by transcending any form of reductionism. I wish I understood what you meant but working for it will be worth it.

I guess my trouble is that I don't see how emptiness is God. Because it seems... dead. I can see how form is God, because it is self-organizing, but emptiness, that's a tough one. I think I'm attached to form ,because  I don't want to die. 

 

Emptiness is God is the highest a person can go. I looked all around me, saw many things, but they were all material and none contained a trace of God. They were empty of it and it is consequently nothing. What this means is I am limited. I need to go within myself and beyond myself to find God. This is what all mystics point to; outside is nothing, all is within. You will find if you seek. Once you find it within you will find it without and lo and behold is not just everywhere but it is everything. All along I was looking through the wrong eyes.

 

[gettoefl]

God is nothing means I am untouchable and unreachable and unstoppable to anything anyone might call God.

And that's right. Because God is not present in this imagined dualistic reality. Who will argue that this isn't hell. Heaven is where permanent happiness and perfect peace abide.

You job is to escape this place and all the while you are looking to extend it and enjoy it.

You will leave this finite realm for good at some point. It will be sooner or it will be later. No big deal as far as God is concerned since time is imaginary and you in truth never left heaven's bed.