God Maintaining You Sanity

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

So it's not like in the teleportation / transferring human consciousness to another body thought experiments where the idea is that the thing that's being transferred might be just a copy paste of you, not really you.

Those thought-experiments assume a lot of wrong materialist ontology and limited notions of identity.

Sameness and difference is a matter of imagination, not rigid givens.

What makes experience "you" is that it's always happening inside you. Any experience that's happening is you by definition. If tomorrow God dreamed that you are kangaroo, that would be you too, just a new form of you. So in this sense YOU are always the same YOU. YOU is an Absolute.

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I see. I think that it would also be interesting to be able to explore this looser reality with a functioning brain to be able to really observe and appreciate it vs going nuts along with it.

That's what mystics do. That's the whole point of mystical practices and trainings.

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Also, would you mind sharing where you get your scarves from? Are they made from silk or is it some other fabric?

Silk. I don't want everyone copying me so I won't share that for now.

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

In my experience, regular dreams are just stuff that you are thinking about in your waking life, not some mystical experiences.

Everything is a mystical experience. You need to throw out this bad frame that some things are mystical and some are not.

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[Hojo]

@Something Funny When you are baby or an elder, you dont get the luxury of language. Now you can say to yourself I am in my home I am safe and beleive it. I am in my room I am safe there are no monsters here mommy and daddy told me and looked. These are mental emotions you keep up and God gave you these tools to keep the demons away. When you were a baby you didnt have the concept of home, or room, or safety you were naked and afraid and you are going back to idea of not having a home,when you are old and lose the concept cause its made up. When these concepts leave you and you go to sleep you are totally vulnerable and the demons can come in and scare you. If you didnt go to bed in a home in a room tonight, but outside in the bushes naked and afraid they would come. God give you a feeling of safety so you can keep lunacy at bay for now.

Lunacy comes when a childs home is a wilderness.

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[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Would you say the dark night of the soul is a form of insanity Leo?

Usually not.

Insanity would be more radical and troublesome.

If you had a proper psychotic break and call that dark night then maybe. That dark night label could be attached to many different states of consciousness, so be careful assuming people apply it to the same state.

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[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Those thought-experiments assume a lot of wrong materialist ontology and limited notions of identity.

Sameness and differences is a matter of imagination, not rigid givens.

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I see.

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's what mystics do.

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Are mystics / mysticism different from things like working on becoming awake or are you using them as synonym for everything we talk about here?

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Everything is a mystical experience. You need to throw out this bad frame that some things are mystical and some are not.

I meant that I can clearly see psychological source of many of my dreams and can relate them to things I was thinking / worrying about during the day/

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Silk. I don't want everyone copying me so I won't share that for now.

15 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

That's understandable. They are very pretty though.

I was hoping it's not silk. I wonder if you can make them as vibrant and beautiful with other natural materials, not silk or synthetics.

[Terell Kirby]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

If you had a proper psychotic break

Normies can't conceive a psychotic break being proper at all, its almost always objectively defined as improper.

So my question is, for the mystic-what is the value of a "proper" psychotic break?

[Something Funny]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Something Funny When you are baby or an elder, you dont get the luxury of language. Now you can say to yourself I am in my home I am safe and beleive it. I am in my room I am safe there are no monsters here mommy and daddy told me and looked. These are mental emotions you keep up and God gave you these tools to keep the demons away. When you were a baby you didnt have the concept of home, or room, or safety you were naked and afraid and you are going back to idea of not having a home,when you are old and lose the concept cause its made up. When these concepts leave you and you go to sleep you are totally vulnerable and the demons can come in and scare you. If you didnt go to bed in a home in a room tonight, but outside in the bushes naked and afraid they would come. God give you a feeling of safety so you can keep lunacy at bay for now.

What makes you think that language is that fundamental to feeling safe? 

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Probably not the same, but I actually slept outside in a park once, in a foreign city. It wasn't a deep sleep cause I was trying to be cautious but it was a cool experience.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

Are mystics / mysticism different from things like working on becoming awake or are you using them as synonym for everything we talk about here?

It depends. These are definitions we create to suit our needs.

There are far-fetched versions of mysticism which are more about exploring the insane realms of consciousness rather than pure Awakening. That's mostly what I mean in the context of this thread.

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

I meant that I can clearly see psychological source of many of my dreams and can relate them to things I was thinking / worrying about during the day/

Sure, but you also dream a lot of other random weird stuff too.

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

I was hoping it's not silk. I wonder if you can make them as vibrant and beautiful with other natural materials, not silk or synthetics.

My psychedelic scarves are not silk.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Normies can't conceive a psychotic break being proper at all, its almost always objectively defined as improper.

So my question is, for the mystic-what is the value of a "proper" psychotic break?

I don't recommend aiming for a psychotic break.

You should just aim for higher mystical states, some of them will be so high they will go beyond sanity, but it will not be a dysfunctional psychotic break.

There are states of consciousness which are negative harmful psychotic breaks and insanity, and then there is a positive kind of insanity, which is like trans-sanity, but it's not something negative. If demons are telling you to kill people, that's like negative insanity. But there are positive or neutral forms of insanity.

Obviously you need to avoid the negative ones.

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[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are far-fetched versions of mysticism which are more about exploring the insane realms of consciousness rather than pure Awakening. That's mostly what I mean in the context of this thread.

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I see.

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sure, but you also dream a lot of other random weird stuff too.

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Yeah, I guess that's true.

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My psychedelic scarves are not silk.

Ok. I assume you don't want me to bug you with any more questions about this so I will stop, haha. 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I assume you don't want me to bug you with any more questions about this so I will stop

Just search the internet for whatever you're trying to find.

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura yes, ok  

Thank you <3 

[ExploringReality]

I did slap on that label because I went through that, it burned the ego, there was suffering because I realized what I am not, but hadn't yet realized what I am in that moment of eternity. But that was only the first slice of an even larger experience. Ultimately my thoughts became indistinguishable from physicality. The mind is all there is, and I had no control over what reality I am in, but there was a higher mind and beyond. Objectively it was like looking at someone who is reacting from  gun shots, having a gnarly panic attack, feinting and coming back to consciousness. My eyes were completely black and dialated. The body was not needed but I had to keep checking on the body for about 6 hours. I begged for my sanity and for the first time actually prayed in reverence and terror 

[Hojo]

@Something Funny When I say God is grapsing your sanity I mean like he is holding your imagination down in a tight fist so it dosent go infinite and you can stabalize your psyche.We are here to stabalize our psyche and not be afraid of infinite. Language holds your imagination down.

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[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Hojo said:

When I say God is grapsing your sanity I mean like he is holding your imagination down in a tight fist so it dosent go infinite and you can stabalize your psyche.

Correct

[Leo Gura]

@Something Funny Try this:

Imagine an apple in your mind.

Now clear your mind.

Now imagine the apple again.

Now contemplate:

Is it the same apple if you imagined them identically both times?

Your human mind is just a microcosm of God's Mind.

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[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura

No it is not the same apple. This takes incredible power.

If I'm something I'm imagining from the absolute perspective, then Mind is Infinite Insanity. Then there is no real sanity other than God's imagination of sanity. Sanity is like a wall built in the ocean to keep from being torn by a whirlpool of imagination.

Why is God stabilizing my sanity? How does it do this? This is Madness.

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[samijiben]

I have always intuited that Sanity & Sobriety are connected for what it's worth.

I mean both with capital "S," so you can be Sober and still use whatever substance whatever time and be Sane but have a mind most would consider insane 

Both of the words seem to be pointing to, ultimately, the same thing: God, Oneness, Clarity, Realized Mind, or whatever

This sanity business is definitely not some obscure domain or facet of consciousness divorced from the Whole Bastard Himself.

[Something Funny]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Something Funny Try this:

Imagine an apple in your mind.

Now clear your mind.

Now imagine the apple again.

Now contemplate:

Is it the same apple if you imagined them identically both times?

Your human mind is just a microcosm of God's Mind.

Yeah, I thought of this when asking the question, but my conclusion was that those would be different apples. Now I am not sure why it has to be oe way or the other. Since its your imagination, you could imagine it either way, right?

[gettoefl]

Mind is permanence. Your mind on the other hand is a machine to cover over permanence so it is not seen but you can only do this impermanently. Else you would be snuffing out what is permanent, a contradiction. 

Insanity is taking the impermanent to be permanent. This takes tremendous energy. To be God takes none whatsoever.

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[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Why does God have to " be maintaining your sanity right now"

God isn't doing any of that. It happens because it's the possibility that synchronizes with the totality. It could be someone else; you could be a schizophrenic locked up in a psychiatric hospital. God doesn't do this because he wants to; this happens because it meshes with the totality that flows upon itself, and this totality is God.

God doesn't want anything, or wants everything , that is the same, because if were the case that it wants something instead of anything, he would be limited. The reality is different. If you're attached to the idea "God wants this," you're limited and you won't be able to free your spirit and open yourself to real mysticism. You'll be trapped. 

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