Treat Women Like Children

[integral]

6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

All human beings are 95%+ similar to one another. But we're very attuned to subtle differences, so we only focus on the 5% that's different. So, we like to think of men and women as very different, when we're 95% the same.

You're pushing for gender equality... you think the Sexes are nearly the same and we're exaggerating the differences between them.

You are in the middle on the Spectrum. (masculine- feminine)

Other women are not in the middle on the Spectrum.

THEY ARE NOT LIKE YOU.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The root of a lot of the issues on the forum: those users with more masculine energy claiming the masculine isn't emotional.

I'm telling you, as a woman who works in commercial construction (and very successfully, not just saying that. I have proven, corporeal results), men are consistently more emotional than women. More charged up, and less unable to manage these emotions. I walk onto a construction site & its 99% men. I can attest they follow my lead and direction. I am candid, stern, but kind. Ruthless in action. But to direct them as a woman, they need to have a total tantrum and mental breakdown. I let them whinge and cry their concerns out - then they get down to it.

Half your issues are you attribute a whole bunch of NEGATIVE emotions to the feminine. You are picking and choosing which feelings to associate with the feminine without even realizing your own bias and filter is corrupting your understanding.

[Leo Gura]

It's not helpful to men to tell them that the difference is only 5%. Because then men never learn that handling women truly requires rewiring how your whole mind works, from the man's POV. When the differece is de-emphasized men start treating women logically and this ends poorly because women cannot be treated like that. I know because I tried, and it took me lots of failure to learn this lesson, which I now share with men.

This is one of the valid reasons that Red Pill and manosphere ideology has flourished: because stage Green views of this issue are legitimately inadequet for men learning how to handle women.

Gender equality is a post-modernist fantasy. And Green refuses to admit this because it's afraid admitting it will lead to less political rights for women. Gender equality in the political sphere is being confused with gender equality in the relationship sphere, where it does not belong.

All of my girlfriends responded most positively when they were treated in a very feminine way for which I had to rewire my mind to work 180 degrees from logical. No one teaches men how to handle the feminine. We have to figure it out the hard way.

Edited April 6 by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

7 minutes ago, integral said:

The feminine being bad at certain parts of survival is just what it means to be feminine. The masculine is also bad at certain parts of survival and that's just what it means to be masculine.

A fish is a fish, a shark is a shark.

If a fish wants to go out and start killing other fish, then that fish behaves like a shark.

The feminine becomes masculine.

There's nothing misogynistic about this. Our minds and bodies do not work the same way genetically from birth.

This is equality, his statement is equality...

How do you know it's a unsustainable Foundation?

How do you know it doesn't work?

Your solution is to go find a healthier woman to date? Well that's not a solution as we just discussed because highly feminine women can be healthy.

You're assuming it's not going to work because the man is "looking down" on the woman. When he's not.

When in reality hes just recognizes her needs. And the most loving thing to do is to frame her as a child and not put all the burden of truth and survival of the real world on her shoulders. The whole conversation was emotions and I'm supposed to burden her with truth? Why?

I'm not looking down at my dog, I recognize what their needs are and then give it to them.

It's the most loving thing to do.

But I feel like you're blinded by this need for equality of the sexes.

The fish and shark analogy doesn't work for what you're trying to say... because sharks are fish too. And plenty of non-shark fish eat other fish and they are not imitating sharks. 

And no, Masculine and Feminine is not defined by our survival deficits... and they're not defined by the absence of certain qualities of the opposite polarity. 

The Masculine and Feminine is about what is there... and not about what's not there. And Masculine and Feminine is immutable. You can't add it or take it away because it just is the building blocks of your personality.

So, these are subtle polar energies that co-mingle together to make up the human personality... and everything else in the known universe. It's Yin and Yang.

And I know that this dynamic doesn't work because that's just not how human relationships function over the long term. It's not sustainable and no intimacy is possible unless there is a foundation of human-to-human sameness and friendship for the polar dynamics to exist within.

Polarity is the spice... sameness is the foundation.

And friendship and a recognition of basic human sameness is not possible if one partner is operating like the other partner's parent.

But I'm not saying that highly Feminine woman is not healthy to date. There are plenty of very Feminine women who are integrated and mature. The same is true that there are plenty of very Masculine men who are integrated and mature.

So, integration isn't about making everyone more androgynous than they actually are. Everyone has a unique Masculine/Feminine signature. And it's about embracing all of what's there.... instead of repressing parts of what's there in favor of jamming one's self into a narrow category.

What I'm saying isn't that naturally Masculine or naturally Feminine men and women respectively aren't mature.

What I am saying is that people who polarize and repress the opposite energy end up stunting themselves... and that leads to under-development and immaturity. And immaturity can happen whether a person is androgynous or non-androgynous... just like integration is possible for the androgynous and non-androgynous alike.

Different people have different Masculine/Feminine signatures. 

To give an imperfect picture, I'll put numbers on it. The average person is like 75% towards the polarity that corresponds with their sex... and 25% towards the opposite polarity. That's probably what my signature is... 75% Feminine, 25% Masculine.

But people are all over the spectrum.

And probably only about 10% of people or so are 90% towards the polarity that corresponds with their sex. It's fairly uncommon for someone to have such a naturally polar Masculine/Feminine signature.

But yes, seeing women as children that you need to help her manage her emotions is looking down on her. And unless she herself is underdeveloped and non-integrated, she will not be interested in a man who sees her that way.

[aurum]

1 hour ago, BlessedLion said:

Wouldn’t you want to date an adult not a child?

What you're missing is that men who are more masculine want to be depended on. Much more so than depending on her.

This is an actual need, not dysfunction.

[Emerald]

12 minutes ago, integral said:

You're pushing for gender equality... you think the Sexes are nearly the same and we're exaggerating the differences between them.

You are in the middle on the Spectrum. (masculine- feminine)

Other women are not in the middle on the Spectrum.

THEY ARE NOT LIKE YOU.

Why do you believe that I'm so different from other women?

I am not different than most women in this way.

The average woman will agree with me and react similarly to such things.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Why do you believe that I'm so different from other women?

The issue is you're too mature.

Most women we sleep with are not as mature as you.

Edited April 6 by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not helpful to men to tell them that the difference is only 5%. Because then men never learn that handling women truly requires rewiring how your whole mind works, from the man's POV. When the differece is de-emphasized men start treating women logically and this ends poorly because women cannot be treated like that. I know because I tried, and it took me lots of failure to learn this lesson, which I now share with men.

This is one of the valid reasons that Red Pill and manosphere ideology has flourished: because stage Green views of this issue are legitimately inadequet for men learning how to handle women.

Gender equality is a post-modernist fantasy. And Green refuses to admit this because it's afraid admitting it will lead to less rights for women. Gender equality in the political sphere is being confused with gender equality in the relationship sphere, where it does not belong.

All of my girlfriends responded most positively when they were treated in a very feminine way for which I had to rewire my mind to work 180 degrees from logical.

It is both helpful and true that men and women are 95% similar.... just like the males and females of other species (including highly dimorphic species like lions and cows).

It is true because it's true. We just over-focus on our differences because differences are more note-worthy than samenesses.

And it is helpful because of what it does to men's ability to relate to women when they believe men and women are so different. They miss the foundation of sameness that's necessary to have a real intimate relationship. And they suffer because of it.

But don't straw man me as making a stage green argument. I'm not saying there's nothing that's different about men and women. That 5% is noticeable and significant enough to pay attention to. And it can be played with to enhance male-female relationships.

But as soon as that 5% gets taken as the full reality, the foundation of sameness is eroded... and no relationship can happen.

That's why so many of the guys on here (including you) are stunted with regard to relationships with women. And it's important to recognize where you have a weak point so that you don't lead others astray... as most men likely do not want the relationship that you have with women.

And these deficits are not because they are too unaware of the differences between men and women. These deficits are there because they're far too focused on it and aware of it. And this causes you and them to relate to women and aliens and children as opposed to as ordinary human beings like yourselves.

But of course most women like to be treated in a Feminine way. But that doesn't require a man to see her as a child. These dynamics are more subtle and are only healthy as the icing on the cake of commonality.

Edited April 6 by Emerald

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The issue is you're too mature.

Most women we sleep with are not as mature as you.

I assume that by mature, you mean that you and I are both eggheads for this deepening consciousness and understanding reality stuff.

So, in that case, I have the same relationship to other women that you have to other men.

Do you really feel like you feel differently about women than the average Tom, Dick, or Harry down at the pub?

I may be able to articulate my feelings about men better because I'm an egghead like you... but most women feel the same way as I do.

I know because when I describe it women are often like "100%!"

[Princess Arabia]

23 minutes ago, aurum said:

What you're missing is that men who are more masculine want to be depended on.

Yes, but the missing piece of the puzzle is dependent on for what......surely not to be their daddy or to be treated as a child but more as a container for security and safety. That's not a dysfunction it's a need.

Edited April 6 by Princess Arabia

[Emerald]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, but the missing piece of the puzzle is dependent on for what......surely not to be their daddy or to be treated as a child but more as a container for security and safety. That's not a dysfunction it's a need.

100%

There's a difference between containment and being able to depend on a man... and being treated like a chid.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Emerald said:

100%

There's a difference between containment and being able to depend on a man... and being treated like a chid.

For sure. BTW, I agree with most of the points you've made in this thread. I say most because....c'mon, no one's perfect. Lol

Edited April 6 by Princess Arabia

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Emerald said:

It is both helpful and true that men and women are 95% similar....

It's also true that you're 98% chimpanzee.

But that 2% is the difference between life and death.

That "5%" difference makes all the difference inside a relationship.

And the psychological difference is way beyond 5%. When you make claims like that, don't be surprised at Andrew Tates rising to power.

Edited April 6 by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

It's also true that you're 98% chimpanzee.

Lol. I'm 97%.

[Tudo]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not helpful to men to tell them that the difference is only 5%. Because then men never learn that handling women truly requires rewiring how your whole mind works, from the man's POV. When the differece is de-emphasized men start treating women logically and this ends poorly because women cannot be treated like that. I know because I tried, and it took me lots of failure to learn this lesson, which I now share with men.

This is one of the valid reasons that Red Pill and manosphere ideology has flourished: because stage Green views of this issue are legitimately inadequet for men learning how to handle women.

Gender equality is a post-modernist fantasy. And Green refuses to admit this because it's afraid admitting it will lead to less political rights for women. Gender equality in the political sphere is being confused with gender equality in the relationship sphere, where it does not belong.

All of my girlfriends responded most positively when they were treated in a very feminine way for which I had to rewire my mind to work 180 degrees from logical. No one teaches men how to handle the feminine. We have to figure it out the hard way.

Yes, my experience is similar to Leo's. Most women don't really know what they're talking about in this regard, because they have zero experience dealing with women from a sexual point of view.

Edited April 6 by Tudo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

BTW just want to thank you all for this discourse so far, good friction. 

Good growth, even if it's painful to have someone gut you and reveal the insides

[Emerald]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

It's also true that you're 98% chimpanzee.

But that 2% is the difference between life and death.

That "5%" difference makes all the difference inside a relationship.

And the psychological difference is way beyond 5%.

Well if we're going genetically (like with chimps), then men and women are 100% similar.

But you're missing my point.

Men and women can only have a deep intimate relationship when the relationship is built on a foundation of similarity.

It's clear that most nerdy guys who suck with women suffer because they see women as so alien and different from them. And if they just recognized that women are ordinary people like they are, they wouldn't suck with women as much.

And telling them to treat women as children is NOT helping them. 

You're seeing the poison as the antidote and the antidote as the poison.

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, Tudo said:

Yes, my experience is similar to Leo's. Most women don't really know what they're talking about in this regard, because they have zero experience dealing with women from a sexual point of view.

I'm bisexual. So, that doesn't apply to me.

[aurum]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, but the missing piece of the puzzle is dependent on for what......surely not to be their daddy or to be treated as a child but more as a container fir security and safety.

There's surely some difference. You probably don't need to tell her not to put her finger in an electric socket.

But also, those lines may not be so distinct at times. 

Women literally call men "daddy" in bed. 

[Tudo]

Just now, Emerald said:

I'm bisexual. So, that doesn't apply to me.

But not experienced as a  masculine man, by the way, I don’t even like to talk about these subjects here because @Emerald seems like such a good hearted person.