Psychedelics as a spiritual practice! (Need your perspective!)

[Human Mint]

Can you record it and share it here?

[Verg0]

@Human Mint I'll try 

[Verg0]

@Human Mint Here it is. 

I am quite happy with how it went. My first real public speaking experience wohoo! 

 

 

[Davino]

@Verg0 Congratulations! This could be the beginning of something great.

[OBEler]

@Verg0 nice talk, congratulations!

[Aaron p]

@Verg0 Leo said in the past that not using psycs in your practise is just directly wasting your own time. However my is understanding that this was assuming that the goal of your practise is god realisation, hardcore enlightenment and mystical awakening. If this is your goal (and you aren't bullshitting yourself about this actually being your goal) then I think you probably have to listen to that advice. 

Sober practise can also be good if your goals are a lot smaller like mind calibration, focus, increased peace, contemplation. I use contemplation all the time it's basically my base operating software. I question everything lol. Also sober is safer and requires much less skill and care. 

Do be mindful of the risks of taking psycs. They range from mild anxiety to literal permanent insanity unfathomable interdimensional torture that makes physical torture look like a walk in the park so be careful. You can also check out Leo's core psyc videos like "understanding psychedelics" and "top risks of psychedelics." 

Take it slow and give the compounds the respect they demand or they'll quickly force you to. They can make you veeeerrrrrry strong. I personally recommend considering starting with phenythylamines (2C, mesc, etc.) over tryptamines or lysergemides which tend to be more harsh. You're basically guaranteed to eventually run into some difficult experiences if you choose this path so I also recommend making a note in your mind about being able to distinguish when you're experiencing what I call bad pain... Kind of similar to how you might be able to intuitively discern whether the pain you were experiencing during a weightlifting session is good or bad and when you need to stop. 

[OBEler]

@Aaron p verg0 is an expert in psychedelics already. I think he knows better than most people here.

[BlessedLion]

I’m doing an interview on my channel with a well known non-dual Psychonaut in a few weeks (honestly I’m surprised he agreed to do it with me). This presentation will be extremely helpful in prepping some questions for him as this is core of what I want to talk about with him. I won’t name any names yet, but will def share the link here when it goes Live. 
 

Thanks 

[Chadders]

@Verg0 By spiritual I would see this as the pursuit to 'understand reality' - and why anybody would want to do this can only be for love whether thaqt be in the relative domain or the metaphysical 

I have found psychedelics to help me understand reality through an elevation and change of consciousness. They're definitely a great tool

 

[BlessedLion]

On 3/11/2025 at 6:31 AM, Davino said:

The highest peaks of consciousness lie in the combination of yoga, contemplation, meditation and psychedelics.

One should have a solid meditation process. Then one should meditate on psychedelics.

One should have a solid yogic process. Then one should be in yoga on psychedelics.

One should have solid contemplation skills. Then one should contemplate on psychedelics.

One should be a serious psychonaut. Then one should trip inside psychedelic trips.

At the highest level, all should converge into a massive epic holistic omni-sided consciousness Awakening.

The problem here is that all your practices then revolve around Psychedelics and your trips rather than reality as itself at a base level. 
 

This is my main argument with the psychedelic path. Daily life can hardly compare to those fireworks and temporary awakenings and peak states, so you form your whole practice around them, sorta like a cult or making psychedelics your God rather than reality itself. 

[BlessedLion]

On 3/10/2025 at 3:13 PM, Verg0 said:

-Spirituality is not about preferring one state over another but recognizing the one who sees.

I've never fully understood this perspective. Feeling hungover and tired is clearly worse than feeling vital, and happy. While it is always only God witnessing all experience, there is a relative heiracrhy of insights and states. 

As you uncover that you are God, you naturally gravitate towards preferring more God-like states (Vitality, peace, purpose, love)

[BlessedLion]

I hope i don't sound too critical, i actually love this post and your notes, it's very well-put together with a solid transmission. Just reflecting some things coming up for me.

[BlessedLion]

On 3/14/2025 at 8:47 AM, Verg0 said:

@Jodistrict

Thanks. I don't really resonate with what most spiritual teachers say about psychedelics. Their understanding feels very incomplete to me. 

But maybe I am the one that is decieved. But maybe not. Who knows. 

I think to truly give a powerful talk on this topic, you have to understand their perspective and argument deeply and your reasons for countering it. Just some advice. 

This is a topic i am also deeply researching online and in real life. I haven't found a solid answer yet, but these days i am actually swaying more towards what the traditional teachers are saying.

[BlessedLion]

On 3/21/2025 at 2:34 PM, Verg0 said:

@Human Mint Here it is. 

I am quite happy with how it went. My first real public speaking experience wohoo! 

 

 

Fantastic job though! Really enjoyed watching this.

I'll stop message bombing this thread now haha. Cheers