Can solipsism be proven or disproven?

[Breakingthewall]

On 9/6/2025 at 1:44 AM, Inliytened1 said:

When all duality collapses you are still left with Mind.  This isnt a bug.  That is what the Buddhists got wrong.   

Maybe because you didn't break the last barrier . If you do, the mind means nothing, it's the same a though than another thought, everything is transparent, there is no creation, just a possibility that is happening, and what you are is the very absence of limits. You are absolutely free. And you laugh. 

You are not creating nothing, nothing needs being created, there are just possibilities happening, and you are lost in them, then you do a step back and you realize that everything is transparent, it's the same anything, you are the absolute depth, the total amplitude. Everything is there, you are that, total. 

Edited June 10 by Breakingthewall

[Razard86]

On 6/8/2025 at 5:18 PM, Inliytened1 said:

You are right but you needed awakening to verify that.  Awakening is what is required.  Direct experience turns out to be what proof is.  But only after you awaken. 

The funny part is even though its radical, because its God is what makes it true. The Infinity of Gods video explains how there are multiple first person perspectives. For this lifetime my POV is bound to this body. I'm not jumping around body to body looking through their eyes. I'm body bound to this body in my natural sober state. Other states can change all that, and then that is when more is revealed, but outside of state changes only my POV exists.

[Terell Kirby]

12 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I'm not jumping around body to body looking through their eyes.

Of course- that assumes the body / bodies are actually real and not hallucinated.

13 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I'm body bound to this body in my natural sober state. 

Mind bound, yet all there is-is Mind.. sober / not sober.

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Of course- that assumes the body / bodies are actually real and not hallucinated.

Mind bound, yet all there is-is Mind.. sober / not sober.

There is no difference between real and imaginary, reality defines for itself what is real. Oh and reality is a consistent hallucination so.....yeah we are tripping sober out here.

[Carl-Richard]

12 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Of course- that assumes the body / bodies are actually real and not hallucinated.

Infinity in all dimensions, Alien intelligence, hyper-dimensional DMT beings, yet also a flat hallucination localized to my physiological point of view. Truly marvelous mental gymnastics.

You're assuming such depth of ontology, of things that are implicit and hidden, multiplistic and rich, yet you also collapse it all down to the flattest ontology of them all; only what is most explicit and obvious, limited and constrained. Why?

We can have an infinity of universes with an infinite variety of qualities and things, yet only one person on Earth who experiences, only one perspective that exists. Good one. As if multiplying a perspective is not the most obvious thing you can do as a Creator.

Just because your eyes are limited to 3D doesn't mean God is. God runs his simulation in 4D, 5D, 6D, playing Chess inside a microbe on your nutsack. Open your god damn mind, or just get it out of your ass.

Edited June 12 by Carl-Richard

[OBEler]

@Carl-Richard valid point. 

[Inliytened1]

On 6/9/2025 at 1:48 PM, Carl-Richard said:

You're such a troll.

 

There is no inside or outside. That's the overreach you're making.

 

There is no subjective mental reality inside either.

This is the lunacy of what is going on: "there is only what is", but then you also want to start making distinctions. There are no particular distinctions that follow from "there is only what is". You are making those distinctions based on something else, some other conviction or notion you have.

No I'm not making distinctions.  The realizations i am speaking of are Absolute realizations made in a non-dual state of Consciousness.   There is still Mind when all distinctions collapse.

As far as the troll comment, I won't ask you to clarify.  But I am kinda baffled I won't lie.

Edited Sunday at 10:51 PM by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

21 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No I'm not making distinctions.  The realizations i am speaking of are Absolute realizations made in a non-dual state of Consciousness.   There is still Mind when all distinctions collapse.

As far as the troll comment, I won't ask you to clarify.  But I am kinda baffled I won't lie.

"I'm not making distinctions" -> "there is nothing outside of this room". Nice try.

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

No I'm not making distinctions.  The realizations i am speaking of are Absolute realizations made in a non-dual state of Consciousness.   There is still Mind when all distinctions collapse.

As far as the troll comment, I won't ask you to clarify.  But I am kinda baffled I won't lie.

I've noticed this one contention still hasn't been resolved. The something not existing outside your awareness. Seems that is where he thinks you are being trollish. 

I know one thing, I've never experienced something outside of my experience.

Edited Monday at 01:37 AM by Razard86

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

"I'm not making distinctions" -> "there is nothing outside of this room". Nice try.

Stop thinking inside / outside.   When I  said that I meant there is just this.  It's the same thing really.  If there is just this..then what is this? The room that you're in 

 

[Carl-Richard]

12 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I've noticed this one contention still hasn't been resolved. The something not existing outside your awareness. Seems that is where he thinks you are being trollish.

He was trolling when he asked me to clarify.

 

12 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I know one thing, I've never experienced something outside of my experience.

There is nothing inside or outside, get it?

Edited Monday at 01:49 AM by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Stop thinking inside / outside.   When I  said that I meant there is just this.  It's the same thing really. 

This is what is going on: when people around are talking about solipsism, you start talking as if "there is nothing outside my experience, I'm solipsist, alright?". Then when pressed on that, "well hang on, don't get hung up on inside or outside, ok?". It's like you're dog whistling solipsism to get the "I'm a Leo solipsists" seal of approval but you're actually just a boring non-dualist.

 

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If there is just this..then what is this? The room that you're in 

See, now you're doing it again. There is no rooooooom. Omg. "Room" is a construct, a concept, a fantasy, a delusion. Stop it with the delusion. If not, what is the implication there? That there is nothing outside the room, only what is inside the room? If not, then why bring up the room? There is no room. Stop with the dog whistling.

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

He was trolling when he asked me to clarify.

 

There is nothing outside or inside, get it?

It depends on how you are using language. Sure experience, awareness has no inside or outside, but a body definitely has an inside or outside so the context is key. Also mentioning all that being imaginary is a moot point because that imaginary is constructing it as real by making that barrier solid. 

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

It depends on how you are using language. Sure experience, awareness has no inside or outside, but a body definitely has an inside or outside so the context is key.

Hehehe are we talking about the body being the ontological primitive now are we? No we're obviously not. Why are you bringing this up, Razard?

Edited Monday at 01:53 AM by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

This is what is going on: when people around are talking about solipsism, you start talking as if "there is nothing outside my experience, I'm solipsist, alright?". Then when pressed on that, "well hang on, don't get hung up on inside or outside, ok?". It's like you're dog whistling solipsism to get the "I'm a Leo solipsists" seal of approval but you're actually just a boring non-dualist.

 

See, now you're doing it again. There is no rooooooom. Omg. "Room" is a construct, a concept, a fantasy, a delusion. Stop it with the delusion. If not, what is the implication there? That there is nothing outside the room, only what is inside the room? If not, then why bring up the room? There is no room. Stop with the dog whistling.

No.  You need to learn to mix them together.  The problem is its YOU that are creating dualities.  There is no room.  OK. Then what is there?  Whatever you think is there must be opposite to what you think isn't there.  That's a duality.   You aren't going to be able to escape duality when in duality- which we are.  

 

[Razard86]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Hehehe are we talking about the body being the ontological primitive now are we? No we're obviously not. Why are you bringing this up, Razard?

Carl why are you so combative? It's like you are looking for a fight. At this point everyone here understands that Solipsism is a topic you wage war against. I'm not interested in Non Duality wars....not entertaining to me.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

There is no room.  OK. Then what is there?

Great, so now that we've established that there is no room, no inside or outside: there is only what is. Done. We're pointing towards non-duality, not "there is nothing outside my room". Are the solipsists hearing this? @Solipsism

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Carl why are you so combative? It's like you are looking for a fight. At this point everyone here understands that Solipsism is a topic you wage war against. I'm not interested in Non Duality wars....not entertaining to me.

I want to be crystal clear that solipsism in the sense that 95% of people understand it, is not non-duality, not Absolute Truth, not spiritual, not insightful, not deep, not worth anybody's time. It's de-lu-sional.

Edited Monday at 04:07 AM by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Great, so now that we've established that there is no room, no inside or outside: there is only what is. Done. We're pointing towards non-duality, not "there is nothing outside my room". Are the solipsists hearing this? @Solipsism

What is non-duality? Some mysterious place? Its right here.

[UnbornTao]

To be clear, when I said that solipsism is a belief system, I was including non-duality in that category - as well as any other system of this kind.

Edited Monday at 11:13 AM by UnbornTao