I am starting to think that basic socialization is crucial for mental health

[The Renaissance Man]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

I could afford to have the belief because my solitude was an illusion

Same, I experienced this with living with my family + going to the gym. Really can't be ignored.

[Something Funny]

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

billionaire

a typo, lol.

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

I suspect most people who identify as loners have not experienced solitude in the extreme.

Yeah, that might be the case.

[Something Funny]

@Michael569 thank you.

[Paradoxed]

You should read Into the Wild.

[Schizophonia]

23 hours ago, Michael569 said:

yeah, that's probably true. Lot of people got messed up by war. Entire generations in fact. 

To give you an example in my family. My mom's father was brought up with 2 other brothers in 1950s. When the Red Army marched over central Europe  in 1944-1945, they were taking over small private enterprises during collectivisation effort of Soviet Union. My dad's father had a workshop where he was doing carpentry, smithy etc which made his living. It got taken away from him. He started drinking and beating his eldest son, my grandfather's brother. He would beat him with stick, call him a useless fa*****, a scum etc. For nothing basically. The father died a broken man in age of 65. 

His son (the one he beat) grew up a neurotic and would then move on to beat his own son later in life. His son (my mom's cousin) grew up neurotic with mental health problems, unable to form relationship with women. He chased away his wife and his son ran away to live in Italy. I don't know anything about the son but I heard he has a kid now at age of 20. 

You could say that a war fucked up 4 generations of people and caused abuse and mental health disease. Only the young boy in Italy, if he is lucky, now has a chance to get some therapy and stop a family shadow. If not, maybe his son will..the 5th generation. 

We often don't realise how severely this incidence messed up generations of men and women for 50 + years. If you talk to people enough and ask questions and if you also study history, you'll notice connections and patterns. And suddenly everything makes sense. People act out of impulses embeded in them by generations of abuse , its almost never anybody's fault if they are messed up. Not just Europeans. You could be an Aussie or Canuck and still be the 4th generation of PTSD great-granddad with 6 years of battlefield experience who messed up the whole family

Where do your familly cames from ? 

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When I now see people hailing , glorifying far right and empathising with Hitler...it makes the hair at the back of my neck stand up because it looks too much like late 1930s in Europe . But people don't read, they don't care, they don't know their own history and they make history repeat itself making dumb selfish decisions. i dont think they'll be another war, but it worries me how alienated we are from one another and there'll be consequences of that

I don't see a rise of a belligerent far-right in Europe, just a response to mass immigration; In fact people are voting for more security.
Almost no one wants Nazism or Bolshevism anymore, I'm sure the next problems will be of a different nature.

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anyway, i'm deviating from the topic..soz OP 

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Edited February 9 by Schizophonia

[Jacob Morres]

i get the same thing. strange how it works. socializing feels like eating food.

i faintly remember studies that show that loneliness is actually deadlier than smoking in the long-run?

Edited February 11 by Jacob Morres

[Schizophonia]

17 hours ago, Michael569 said:

Slovakia & Poland 

I see.

17 hours ago, Michael569 said:

I have to admit I'm not up to date with global politics at all...I hope you're right. Either way, its not great right now. 

 

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[meta_male]

On 8.2.2025 at 3:10 AM, Something Funny said:

If someone reading this is struggling with depression and anxiety, I think this might be a super simple, almost magic pill solution to it.

Spot on.

[Carl-Richard]

It's only a modern psychotic delusion that you can survive and thrive without being social. Your brain and body is literally wired for being social. If you find any holistic psychological/health model worth their salt, they will include a social aspect in them in some way or another.

Edited February 15 by Carl-Richard

[The Crocodile]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

modern

Yogis and sorcerers have entered the chat.

[Carl-Richard]

28 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Yogis and sorcerers have entered the chat.

Try putting a baby out in the forest by themselves and see if they become yogi.

Sure, if we assume some baseline level of healthy prosocial upbringing without brain-crushing levels of trauma and neglect, you could at some point discover the path, awaken and legitimately transcend many types of psychological and even physiological types of lack and maintain a very healthy level of functioning despite them. But, again, getting yourself to that point, and also getting there sincerely without the "I want to be something I never was" Puer Aeternus spirituality, will definitely require some level of prosocial engagement.

Edited February 15 by Carl-Richard

[The Crocodile]

51 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Try putting a baby out in the forest by themselves and see if they become yogi.

Many children have magical and mystical experiences but are conditioned out of it.

If a child grew up on a planet with no other humans or animals they could probably only become a yogi, because they wouldn't have anybody to condition them out of their natural capacity for perceiving unacceptable things.

[Carl-Richard]

25 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Many children have magical and mystical experiences but are conditioned out of it.

And those children are being brought up in a warm, prosocial home with loving parents that feed them and teach them how to speak, walk, etc.

 

36 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

If a child grew up on a planet with no other humans or animals they could probably only become a yogi, because they wouldn't have anybody to condition them out of their natural capacity for perceiving unacceptable things.

But they will be retarded. Show me a retarded yogi.

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

And those children are being brought up in a warm, prosocial home with loving parents that feed them and teach them how to speak, walk, etc.

Humans do not need to know how to speak.

And sorcery could be very cold, to someone that values "a warm prosocial home". That's just how it is.

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But they will be retarded. Show me a retarded yogi.

ramana maharshi sort of

I would say sadhguru but he doesn't count as a yogi.

[Carl-Richard]

12 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

Humans do not need to know how to speak.

And sorcery could be very cold, to someone that values "a warm prosocial home". That's just how it is.

Yes, it's probably possible to survive and "thrive" as a retarded non-verbal savage. I can concede that my first statement has extreme edge-cases where it doesn't necessarily apply. But if you ask most people, they would probably want to avoid anything that moves them closer to such a state of being.

Humans don't really "need" anything. They can be hooked up to a machine and fed IV and kept in an artifical coma. But again, most people probably wouldn't want that. And the reality is most people, even the most isolated and lonely people, have been social for most of their life and still are somewhat social, but they're currently just half-assing it and slowly degenerating.

 

12 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

ramana maharshi sort of

I would say sadhguru but he doesn't count as a yogi.

Ramana Maharshi, who's writings culminated in a famous book with the foreword written by Carl Jung, is retarded? Sadhguru, who runs one of the largest voluntary organizations on the planet, is retarded? Ok.

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[The Crocodile]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Yes, it's probably possible to survive and "thrive" as a retarded non-verbal savage.

Dude, you seriously need to turn off your internal dialogue. Like right now. Too noisy. There are post-human stages without internal dialogue. If you removed the internal dialogue you would go into a post-human state of being, and would too have superior understanding of what the human and pre-human even are. Nonlinear perception is better.

That's why I said if a child grew up without being socialized out of mystical and magical experiences and without being lineated into a single fascistic perception, the child would be gazing off into other realms and interacting with entities and energies which are of a far superior plane. And there's no contradiction between this and human psychology and human biology.

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Ramana Maharshi, who's writings culminated in a famous book with the foreword written by Carl Jung, is retarded?

I don't think he wrote much. You're probably wrong and thinking of something somebody else wrote about him.

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Sadhguru, who runs one of the largest voluntary organizations on the planet, is retarded? Ok.

Yes. He's a conman and a scumbag, and a pretender.

[zurew]

7 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

That's why I said if a child grew up without being socialized out of mystical and magical experiences and without being lineated into a single fascistic perception, the child would be gazing off into other realms and interacting with entities and energies which are of a far superior plane. And there's no contradiction between this and human psychology and human biology.

Can you explain why would that be the case and what you are basing this on?

Whats the issue with saying that the child wouldn't develop spiritually on its own and that the child wouldn't care about spiritual development?

Edited February 15 by zurew

[The Crocodile]

@zurew I meant if a person grew up totally by themselves they would naturally spiritually develop, but because of the socialization we have they're forced into a particular low state of perception and unexpanded perception suitable to modern socialization.

[zurew]

5 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

I meant if a person grew up totally by themselves they would naturally spiritually develop, but because of the socialization we have they're forced into a particular low state of perception and unexpanded perception suitable to modern socialization

Yeah I understand that, but I was questioning this premise: 

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if a person grew up totally by themselves they would naturally spiritually develop

What do you base that claim on? It seems to me that a person growing up totally by themselves would be just as likely (if not more) to get obsessed with survival and to not care about spirituality at all.

[The Crocodile]

41 minutes ago, zurew said:

What do you base that claim on? It seems to me that a person growing up totally by themselves would be just as likely (if not more) to get obsessed with survival and to not care about spirituality at all.

They would be able to perceive other worlds and entities, because they never would have "grown out of" their monster under the bed or Santa Claus phase, nobody to decondition them from it. And they would have less of an internal dialogue, so their perception would be less stunted and less limited.

The survival we had hundreds of thousands of years ago hunting, exploring, and camping is actually more conducive to seeing spirits. Because you're not fretting over all the horrible personal problems you have in your life and grievances with society, you're not pretending to understand reality using the intellect or science, you're just existing and discovering things. You just go into the forest, and the forest spirits are there.