Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Schahin]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Schahin

So in your opinion, when the Palestinians, aided by a coalition of countries totaling hundreds of millions of inhabitants, declared war on Israel, Israel should have let them wipe it off the map. The same as in the other two wars of extermination that were declared against it.

It's a valid and mature opinion. It implies that since, in your opinion, Israel is evil, it should have allowed itself to be exterminated.

But there were crazy people, those evil, greedy Jews, who chose (in a crazy and evil greedy Jewish way) to resist the attempts at extermination by an ocean of Muslims filled with religious hatred. And well, there the bad Jews remain, oppressing the good Palestinian victims, and you, as a good guy , are very angry with them, like many others goods and moral people 

 

It has certainly nothing to do with Jews or Muslims.

You Just use Judaism to Emotionalize the debate and make it impossible to talk about it. Because we all know the tragedies and crimes the Jews of the past had to endure.

Now Israelis break all kinds of international law that was established to ensure a peaceful coexistence and play the Antisemitism card.

The Antisemitism card has lost its value after the deliberate mass murder of at least 20.000 Palestinian children at least during this genocide. Not even talking about the thousands of dead children before the genocide.

If Israel was really keen on peace rather than ethnic cleansing and behaving like the masters of the region because they have the full support of the crooked American military complex, they would actually accept the Palestinians as the true natives of the land and give them their own state according to multiple UN Resolutions.

Why does the terrorist state of Israel and it's far right fascist leaders think they are above all law as the sole exception in the world?

Why does Israel ignore all the UN Resolutions and behaves like a terrorist killing 85% civilians most of them 2/3 women and children.

Why do Israelis politicians talk about destroying all of Palestinians, about starving them to death and that there are no innocent Palestinians?

And why do you say all the hundred of millions of inhabitants of the neighbouring countries? Do you think every single person there will come to fight Israel?  Stop exaggerating

Coincidentally they are of the same ethnic group and were actually one people before the British created artificial borders, so it's obvious they see the immense injustice out on their brothers and sisters in Palestine and don't sit there and watch blindly.

And don't distort the facts, you know that Israel's military and secret service is so advanced including the iron dome, that the neighbouring countries won't ever have the chance of reaching the slightest damage, on the contrary the genocide showed us that Israel can actually do whatever the like, they can ethnically cleanse, starve people and children kill people that are awaiting for food .

Israel can actually starve all the Palestinians and massacre every single one of them without seriously being harmed themselves because of how advanced their military defense is.

One thing Israel does not have though is diplomacy and empathy.if Israel only had the slightest bit of empathy and diplomacy they could live in a peaceful country.

That won't happen thought as long as the inhabitants vote for criminals with an international arrest warrant and far right racist leaders with no shame to express their extermination fantasies. Never forget that Israel is a democracy and the people voluntarily voted for a criminal for over 30 years. That also counts for Ariel Sharon and so many others like Bilal Gamliel, Bengvir Smotrich. The majority of the Knesset seems is invested by these extermination fantasies. How disgusting 

Not Israel is being threatened to extermination it is the Palestinians that are facing that threat since the violent massacres in the years of 1947-1949.

Israel has all the power in the world both politically and militarily to end this ongoing hatred once and for all, use diplomacy and adhere by the UN Resolutions that demands two state solution instead they have no mercy not even on the most little children like Hind Rajab.

They seem attested Israel (Heretz Israel and put their violent and disgusting politics into action day by day in Gaza in the West Bank. The politicians don't even make a secret out of it, they demand the extermination if the Palestinians on camera.

On Israeli television they actually discuss the topic of killing babies.how disgusting

Edited Wednesday at 08:41 PM by Schahin

[Schahin]

4 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Yes, always only one side of the equation. A mystical evil that happened only to one side 😉

Well of course there are Israelis that are victims especially those on the 7th of October. No question about that, the poor hostages.

But did you forget that the Israeli leaders actually gave a shit about the hostages we said so many times? 

All they care about is expansion and Heretz Israel and exterminat8ng the palestinians.Netanyahu boasts about having hindered a two state solution all his life intentionally while he and the others are illegally expanding in the West Bank, something that is criminal due to international law.

For me it's mystical that the natives of that land that have been living there for thousands of years and in the past used to be Jews as well, have no right to exist and self determine themselves neither in Gaza nor in the Westbankand are day by day massacred and humiliated (there are so many disgusting documentaries online, it's visible to everybody).

But the immigrants of that land that came only 80 years ago have that right and whenever one asks for equality one is called an Antisemite.

If Israel is a serious democracy the voters should not vote criminals into the Knesset.

Do you think this genocide was good for Israel's safety? It created so much hatred in the Arab world, you will actually have to worry much more now, and that is so sad.

What is even sadder, is that the leaders of the so called democratic Israel gave a shit about the poor hostages in those two years. They even said that on camera, that the hostages are not the priority,and I heard several Israeli accounts of normal people saying, yeah the hostages will understand that the war is more important than their captivity.

All that in order to create settlements in Gaza to create HeretzIsrael? Dear lord shouldn't Judaism be the quest for equality and god instead of the petty quest for land expansion?

[Nivsch]

@Schahin You are right about the current leadership.

[Schahin]

8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Schahin You are right about the current leadership.

Don't forget Ariel Sharon who was responsible for at least two massacres and was the father of the settlers project.

Netanyahu is the longest serving Prime minister of Israel. But I don't blame the Israelis, they were actually brainwashed By him

Fascist always work the same way, they first create fear among the population, fear of the other and then they present themselves as the sole solution to security against that fear.

And he was succesfull with his severe brainwashing methods, I just had a very bad nightmare recently when I saw myself as an israeli hostage and found it disgusting how the politicians did not have that as a priority but rather their ethnic cleansing ideology and massacring innocent Palestinian civilians waiting hungry in food lines

Edited Wednesday at 09:17 PM by Schahin

[Raze]

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:46 PM by Raze

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Why Israel is not making peace even though the hostages are released?

I want to invite you to follow daily and check past and present Israeli liberal parties leaders - Center and leftward - mainly with Google about Two state solution or 'separation from the Palestinians' which is pretty much the same. Or negotiations or political agreement with the Palestinians. They have shown quite a good support over the years but really check it also yourself from 2010 until 2023 to see their root positions, before the trauma that didn't necessarily change their stance but made it harder to make declaration due to this issue's temporal sensitivity. Ask me again whenever you need of course but if you do that you will understand much more than whatever you will hear from me in a single message. I recommend you to try 🙂

https://x.com/yairgolan1

https://x.com/yairlapid

https://x.com/gantzbe

https://x.com/MeravMichaeli

https://x.com/GabbayAvi

https://x.com/zehavagalon

https://x.com/Tzipi_Livni

https://x.com/tamarzandberg

https://x.com/KahlonMoshe

Edited Thursday at 12:24 AM by Nivsch

[Schahin]

23 hours ago, Nivsch said:

I want to invite you to follow daily and check past and present Israeli liberal parties leaders - Center and leftward - mainly with Google about Two state solution or 'separation from the Palestinians' which is pretty much the same. Or negotiations or political agreement with the Palestinians. They have shown quite a good support over the years but really check it also yourself from 2010 until 2023 to see their root positions, before the trauma that didn't necessarily change their stance but made it harder to make declaration due to this issue's temporal sensitivity. Ask me again whenever you need of course but if you do that you will understand much more than whatever you will hear from me in a single message. I recommend you to try 🙂

https://x.com/yairgolan1

https://x.com/yairlapid

https://x.com/gantzbe

https://x.com/MeravMichaeli

https://x.com/GabbayAvi

https://x.com/zehavagalon

https://x.com/Tzipi_Livni

https://x.com/tamarzandberg

https://x.com/KahlonMoshe

Its good that you try to bring up other perpectives in Israeli poltics.

But mostly what we have seen the last decades is violence and violence and no diplomacy, only Rabin was a diplomat and he was killed.

Even the protests against Netanyahu are essentially not protests for a two state solution and the dignity of palestinians, it seems to be a very nationalistics and still zionistic movement with no mercy towards the palestinians.

Most of the documentaries I see online, normal Israeli people blame the palestinians for everything and agree that they shall be under military occupation up until the approvement of the destruction of Gaza.

Not even mentioning the Israelis soldiers that support the radical settlers. and the constant violence and collective punishment of the settlers.

 A prime minister that has been voted democratically into the parliament for almost 30 years with a small interruption is quite horrible.

My cousin is actually married to an Israeli here in Germany (Im not German myself), and he talks about how all palestinians are responsible for Hamas Action. It goes on and on and on. 

Omer Bartov an israeli genocide scholar who left Israel explains it pretty well how Israelis have radicalized over the years., how normal Israelis sit with you in a bar and have a drink with you and after that go to destroy palestinian homes in the Westbank for example.

[Nivsch]

@Schahin Surely those voices aren't rare these days in Israel, but this is one part of the picture.

The demonstrations weren't nationalistic. They were for ending the war and bringing back the hostages, against Netanyahu and for the protection of liberal democracy. Since Jan 2023, every week, by many thousands, for two years.

Edited Thursday at 11:31 PM by Nivsch

[Schahin]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

@Schahin Surely those voices aren't rare these days in Israel, but this is one part of the picture.

The demonstrations weren't nationalistic. They were for ending the war and bringing back the hostages, against Netanyahu and for the protection of liberal democracy. Since Jan 2023, every week, by many thousands, for two years.

But they were not in sympathy to the palestinians, I saw an extensive documentary about it where a journalist interviewed the demonstrators and they had no sympathy for the casualties in Gaza.

As long as the hatred doesnt stop, and the palestinians are not considered human beings, there wont be peace there.

Forgiveness, diplomacy, fraternity and equality should be the words to spread in Israel. 

[Twentyfirst]

On 10/22/2025 at 5:14 PM, Breakingthewall said:

I don't bring un race. And about international law, any country that is in conflict does not respect them.

Not true

I thought Western countries were supposed to be above the rest though? Civilization vs barbarism? 

They don't respect law BEFORE the conflict. That is why there is a conflict 

[Schahin]

8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Not true

I thought Western countries were supposed to be above the rest though? Civilization vs barbarism? 

They don't respect law BEFORE the conflict. That is why there is a conflict 

That is a hypocrisy which stems out of the white supremacist belief.

Western countries were the greatest terrorists (and still are) especially during slavery, colonialism and the world wars.

The great tragedies and conflicts they brought upon the world during colonialism ist just utterly disgusting.

After two world wars and the knowledge, that there must be a better way to live on earth, they started being democratic not out of free will but as a consequence of the horrific world wars. Nonetheless the White Supremacy still lingers within the population, the belief that of course we are a civiliation and democratic and free, we can only be better than the other barbaric nations, is highly supremacist.

Especially because the wealth of the western countries was acquired through the colonies and the exploitation of slavery work, otherwise such a rainy and resourceless country like  Britain or France could never be economically worth anything, all their wealth is through exploitation and colonial robbery of gold and other earthly resources.

Now with social media and all the vast information download you can actually see the corruption of the leaders and the continuos disregard for international law, not only in case of Israel but also when Russia severely destroyed Syria and the european countries were doing great business with Russia and enabling it to enlargen their military complex to be able to destroy Syria.

And when Syrian refugees flee their destroyes homes and go towards europe, the "civilized and democratic" europeans cannot connect the dots and realize that it was their disregard for international law and the business they had done with criminal leaders  in Russia that actually led to the destruction of Syria.

Same thing with the United States. We all know about Vietnam, Iraq, Israel the weapon exports to Saudi Arabia and so much more. But europeans continue doing heavy business trade deals with the USA and enable their military complex to flourish beyond human comprehension which ultimately enables genocides like in Gaza to happen without shame.

Whereever you look in the world even in tiny cities you always have a Mcdonalds next to a KFC next to a Burger King next to a Subway. No matter what Supermarket in the world you can always buy Coca Cola, Fanta and so on and so forth. How can that possibly be true, when the USA does not adhere to international law and does not even recognize major tribunals like the ICJ and ICC?

[Breakingthewall]

On 22/10/2025 at 11:15 PM, Schahin said:

Fascist always work the same way, they first create fear among the population, fear of the other and then they present themselves as the sole solution to security against that fear

@Schahin

 

 Sure, Ben Givir and those people are violent radicals, but on the other hand, the Palestinians aren't seeking coexistence, development, and a future. Instead, they're obsessed with hatred of Israel.

Regarding what happened in '48, it was a coalition of Muslim countries that refused to allow a Jewish state with its capital in Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been a source of problems for over a thousand years for religious reasons. Christians, Muslims, and Jews have fought over it. All of this should be irrelevant now; we should seek peace and development.

So, if Hamas commits a massacre with horrific torture on October 7th, and the majority of Palestinians support this act, they are at least as guilty as Israel for the war.

Blaming only Israel and seeing the Arabs as victims, when they have tried to destroy Israel three times, are constantly harassed with missiles, terrorist financing, and incendiary speeches from countries thousands of miles away, is not coherent.

Ask yourself: why are Iran, Pakistan, or Turkey obsessed with Israel and indifferent to China's repression of an Islamic ethnic group, which is much more severe?

Edited Friday at 01:33 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@Schahin

 

When you talk about how evil the colonialist West has been, do you think that being colonized by Japan, Turkey, or Russia was better? Until recently, any country with the ability to invade and dominate another did so. The only obstacle was physical impossibility.

Greece, Rome, the Arabs, Genghis, the Ottomans, the Spanish, the French, the English, the Russians, the Japanese... they were all aggressive. China and India were already an empire; they couldn't expand any further. In China, there were civil wars with 25 million deaths, could you imagine the atrocities that happened there?. It was human dynamics, not Western evil. In fact, west at least have the necessity to justify their acts due the Christianity. The Japanese and others didn't need that, for them there is only one law: force. 

 

Edited Friday at 01:50 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

thought Western countries were supposed to be above the rest though? Civilization vs barbarism? 

The US emerged as an empire of democracy, business, equality, and fair play after the fall of others, more rigid and downright violent empires. It was later revealed that this beautiful democratic project was seemingly very beautiful, but underneath, there were power games, racism, exploitation, injustice, and theft.

Typically human, let's say. At least it pointed (and still does) toward ideals of justice, human rights, equality, and solidarity. We know that's not the case in reality, but as an idea, it's better than a theocracy or a communist utopia or a tribal empire. Humans are quite evil at a group level, it is a natural characteristic of the species. As individuals, there is morality; as a group, it behaves more like a living organism governed by the law of life: survive or die, period.

Edited Friday at 02:16 PM by Breakingthewall

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[Twentyfirst]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Schahin

 

 Sure, Ben Givir and those people are violent radicals, but on the other hand, the Palestinians aren't seeking coexistence, development, and a future. Instead, they're obsessed with hatred of Israel.

Regarding what happened in '48, it was a coalition of Muslim countries that refused to allow a Jewish state with its capital in Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been a source of problems for over a thousand years for religious reasons. Christians, Muslims, and Jews have fought over it. All of this should be irrelevant now; we should seek peace and development.

So, if Hamas commits a massacre with horrific torture on October 7th, and the majority of Palestinians support this act, they are at least as guilty as Israel for the war.

Blaming only Israel and seeing the Arabs as victims, when they have tried to destroy Israel three times, are constantly harassed with missiles, terrorist financing, and incendiary speeches from countries thousands of miles away, is not coherent.

Ask yourself: why are Iran, Pakistan, or Turkey obsessed with Israel and indifferent to China's repression of an Islamic ethnic group, which is much more severe?

The entire Arab world has been EXTREMELY patient with Jews with all the damage that Jews have caused it. You know that the West has a much shorter fuse with Jews right? I'm talking just a few years vs 8 decades until their patience runs out. Oh and when their patience does run out the punishment is much worse than what the Arabs would be comfortable inflicting

The fact that you demonize Palestinians as a violent people shows how programmed you are. If anything you should be thankful they are so patient and willing to work with you. Again doubling down on Israeli insanity rather than taking a step back and seeing things for what they are

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

The entire Arab world has been EXTREMELY patient with Jews with all the damage that Jews have caused it. You know that the West has a much shorter fuse with Jews right? I'm talking just a few years vs 8 decades until their patience runs out. Oh and when their patience does run out the punishment is much worse than what the Arabs would be comfortable inflicting

The fact that you demonize Palestinians as a violent people shows how programmed you are. If anything you should be thankful they are so patient and willing to work with you. Again doubling down on Israeli insanity rather than taking a step back and seeing things for what they are

I clearly see that mass immigration from another ethnic group is a very serious problem, and you could call it an injustice. But the Arab response has been violent from the beginning. The 1948 war was a war of extermination, or expulsion if you prefer, of the Jews, in which several countries allied and went in to kill. Can you understand what this threat entails? It happened two more times later, and terrorist violence has been constant.

If you only see the Palestinian side and respond to any argument: they shouldn't be there. They deserve the attacks. So what? What's the solution? This way, nothing is achieved. It makes the Jews become increasingly radicalized and they see that the only option is to expel the Palestinians.

The point is to achieve a constructive solution, not "justice," since justice is one thing for me and another for you. So, like in the Middle Ages, we resort to God's judgment, to war, and whoever wins is right. It's better to look for another option, a constructive one.

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I clearly see that mass immigration from another ethnic group is a very serious problem, and you could call it an injustice. But the Arab response has been violent from the beginning. The 1948 war was a war of extermination, or expulsion if you prefer, of the Jews, in which several countries allied and went in to kill. Can you understand what this threat entails? It happened two more times later, and terrorist violence has been constant.

If you only see the Palestinian side and respond to any argument: they shouldn't be there. They deserve the attacks. So what? What's the solution? This way, nothing is achieved. It makes the Jews become increasingly radicalized and they see that the only option is to expel the Palestinians.

The point is to achieve a constructive solution, not "justice," since justice is one thing for me and another for you. So, like in the Middle Ages, we resort to God's judgment, to war, and whoever wins is right. It's better to look for another option, a constructive one.

It wasn't mass migration that was the problem. The Palestinians took poor Jews into their homes and treated them with generosity. Then they would go on vacation for a week and come back and those refugees would lock them out of their own homes and refuse to let them in. That is a declaration of war, a threat, and worthy of expulsion. I don't need to see the "jewish side of the story". Fuck the Jews

 

[Raze]