Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[UnbornTao]

2 minutes ago, integral said:

I agree the AI hype train is ridiculous, but most people dont realize AI has replaced all software developers.

No software is written by humans anymore. 

Will this tendency be a net positive for Microsoft and Windows in the long term? Remains to be seen! No.

Edited March 4 by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

A religion is already an acknowledgment of failure.

It asks for faith. And it is taken as the truth.

[Leo Gura]

@UnbornTao I am not going to keep correcting your misunderstanding.

It would behoove you to know that Peter Ralston's Cheng Hsin is legally registered as a religious organization. Actualized.org is not.

So you don't even understand that you are in a religion.

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[UnbornTao]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@UnbornTao I am not going to keep correcting your misunderstanding.

It would behoove you to know that Peter Ralston's Cheng Hsin is legally registered as a religious organization. Actualized.org is not.

I was well aware of that. But please, stop it with that excuse already. It's not even accurate.

And engage with the argument, if you don't want people to think they're expected to believe you.

Edited March 4 by UnbornTao

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura I think the AI hype is very real, but why are we underestimating the power of these tools though?

Here is where I was deceived with AI:

1) I spent months on projects because AI was hyping me up. I saw through that, and now I'm very cautious about long-term decisions and consulting AI on that. 

But here's where it's undeniably valuable, and not just talking, but actually doing tasks: 

a) helped me see for example that the US invasion or Iran didn't make Trump a hero for freeing the Iranian people (naive of me to first see), but that there's deeper mechanics at play, with crashing their economy with a targeted play, no current real nuclear threat right now, oil, etc. I was able to see these nuances in a sea of misinformation with politics. That's a pretty real use case. 

b) AI pulled me out of dangerous situations in Baltimore, helped me solve stressful home repair situations, etc. 

c) I use Claude Code to apply for jobs for me -> it finds jobs based on my resume, assesses if I qualify, fills out the fields based on what it knows about me, etc. and this has led to a handful of interviews so far, since I started 3 weeks ago. 

.. Claude Code in particular is quite amazing at task automation, etc. I quite regularly tell it to delete files on my computer, stale, non-needed files, often cache. 

This is my real experience that has been genuinely useful. Not just talking, but actual task completion. This is only a small list. 

But would I give my kid AI? heck no. Has it deceived me? Tons of times. 

But to say this is all just slop and all that misses nuance, and different perspectives. 

To say these aren't powerful tools is also misguided. 

[UnbornTao]

@Leo Gura It doesn't seem to bother you that much when people here share your terminology and are obviously just spouting beliefs - if or when those beliefs agree with you.

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[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

To say these aren't powerful tools is also misguided.

They are powerful tools but they are being hyped up irresponsibly in a way that could do serious damage to the economy.

It's like in 2008 if you said, "But guys! Owning a house is powerful and good!" Yes, owning a house is good, but the real-estate hype and fuckery is not good.

I have no problem with AI as narrow tools for automating repetitive mindless work. But AI is being used to obviate human intelligence, consciousness, and creativity -- which is wrong.

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[Innerview]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How do you know?

J.C. Stevens writes on page 30 of his book Kriya Secrets Reveals (5th edition) "Perfect Pose closes off the flow of Prana, thereby assisting greatly with several of the main Kriya techniques."

Sadhguru (with all his flaws) also explains at minute 5:34 of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWdXipp7mYo):

"Essentially, you want the upper part of your body, above Anahata to be exposed to this [sacred space]. You don't want to sit with your legs open in front of a consecrated space, because that will attract a totally different kind of energy towards you."

"That's a reason when you sit in any space where you think there is power, there is energy, you always cross your legs and sit, because you want to close off the lower part of the body."

[Jayson G]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They are powerful tools but they are being hyped up irresponsibly in a way that could do serious damage to the economy.

It's like in 2008 if you said, "But guys! Owning a house is powerful and good!" Yes, owning a house is good, but the real-estate hype and fuckery is not good.

I have no problem with AI as narrow tools for automating repetitive mindless work. But AI is being used to obviate human intelligence, consciousness, and creativity -- which is wrong.

@Leo Gura Yes, I have a big problem with this aspect: "obviate human intelligence, consciousness, and creativity" which is why I vowed to never allow my child, when I have one, to use AI for like 20 years. I can forsee that people will outsource their intelligence to AI and that will just make humans dumber. That's pretty clear that this will occur. 

My conclusion on AI is that its a hallucination machine, from one perspective. Hallucination is not truth. It is a hyper-creative hallucination machine which they're trying to tame, align, etc. but its still a hallucination machine. Misunderstanding AI as truth has caused me problems. 

I think also as the community of actualized.org, we are not accounting for many communities who proactively outsource their intelligence heavily, don't know how to think for themselves, etc. and they will all suffer immensely, because this beast will ride them. (not to say that we are immune to its dangers though). 

 

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Innerview said:

J.C. Stevens writes on page 30 of his book Kriya Secrets Reveals (5th edition) "Perfect Pose closes off the flow of Prana, thereby assisting greatly with several of the main Kriya techniques."

Sadhguru (with all his flaws) also explains at minute 5:34 of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWdXipp7mYo):

"Essentially, you want the upper part of your body, above Anahata to be exposed to this [sacred space]. You don't want to sit with your legs open in front of a consecrated space, because that will attract a totally different kind of energy towards you."

"That's a reason when you sit in any space where you think there is power, there is energy, you always cross your legs and sit, because you want to close off the lower part of the body."

These are beliefs. Belief is not knowing.

How do you actually know?

Edited March 4 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

why I vowed to never allow my child, when I have one, to use AI for like 20 years.

It's cute that you think you have that much control over your child. Your child will do whatever he wants, and he will do what all the other kids are doing, which is jerking off with their AI girlfriends.

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[LambdaDelta]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your child will do whatever he wants, and he will do what all the other kids are doing, which is jerking off with their AI girlfriends.

11th Commandment: Thou shalt not use AI to create hot girlfriends. Instead imagine them in your own mind like a real man. 

[Innerview]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These are beliefs. Belief is not knowing.

How do you actually know?

Fair enough, I guess I'll just have to see if I can notice a difference between seated/cross-legged Kriya. 

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura well its no different from any other trap a parent should guide a child to avoid in life: drugs, weed, etc. 

Of course one wouldn't be able to completely shield from AI, but there's still a lot that can be done to prevent crazy AI misuse. 

Worst case? Move to the scottish countryside and hang out with chickens and cows and enjoy nature and stuff lol .. half kidding half serious

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Innerview said:

Fair enough, I guess I'll just have to see if I can notice a difference between seated/cross-legged Kriya. 

Good! 

Now that's epistemic success.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Jayson G said:

well its no different from any other trap a parent should guide a child to avoid in life: drugs, weed, etc. 

Of course one wouldn't be able to completely shield from AI, but there's still a lot that can be done to prevent crazy AI misuse. 

It is different in that school will get sucked into the AI hype and your kid will not even be able to go to school without AI.

Drugs is much easier than AI because AI will be pushed on your kid by society.

[Jayson G]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is different in that school will get sucked into the AI hype and your kid will not even be able to go to school without AI.

Drugs is much easier than AI because AI will be pushed on your kid by society.

@Leo Gura ah damn I didn't even think about that. Kid aside, even I don't want to live in a world where everything around me is AI-augmented in terms of meaning, writing, etc. That's quite depressing. 

Tbh its probably already likely happening, but just the start of it. Billboards, posters, food items, everything. There likely will be no escaping it just like how devices have become an integral part of society that is quite hard to escape. 

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura on a side note, I've been observing your recent replies and I'm not sure but I don't think you commented at all or much on the war with Iran? Not that I'm depending on this, but it would be valuable to hear your thoughts on it .. unless you're planning an episode on the entire fiasco or something? 

This is the first time I have people, family from around the world affected by this, even hearing the sounds of the attacks and shaking of the windows. This seems somewhat unprecedented. 

[Leo Gura]

@Jayson G Wait till they convince the masses that it's best for your kid to have all his teachers replaced with AI teachers. That is coming.

[Jayson G]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Jayson G Wait till they convince the masses that it's best for your kid to have all his teachers replaced with AI teachers. That is coming.

@Leo Gura I connected with my history teacher after 10+ years and he basically confirmed that this is already happening. They're making his life much harder, AI and the students.