Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Davino]

@freddyteisen I agree that Leo kinda pushed the limit with the green health post. I get what he means and it's right that the overall trend is conformity. For me, the profound point of the post is breaking in your mind what is healthy vs unhealthy. I had a similar breakthrough on my last LSD trip of awakening into the distinction of clean vs dirty that went so deep into that, removing the limit/conditioning/conformity from my mind. It was very transforming and valuable. That's all fine.

My concern with the post is that puts in serious doubts things I've tripled checked work e. g. Wim Hof, modafinil, vitamins, nootropics. A reason conformity exists is because you cannot check all of reality, therefore you conform to previous work humans have done and hence we advance (this comes with dangers but also benefits). Hence conforming to 'health' as principle is good and trying that list as a means to discover what is good for your body is perfectly fine. And even if you're a conformist zombie, it's better to conform to green health than to the fast-food industry. There degrees of quality in conformity and conforming to higher principles is beneficial.

It's still a very good post but I would have appreciated more nuance in the topic.

 

 

I'd like to share a contemplation on conformity I did. I was eating the other day and I realised the only reason I ate that food and not snakes and scorpions is because of conformity. Pushing it a bit further, I saw even eating thrice a day is conformity why not 2 or 5? Pushing it further, why do I even eat at all??? I just conform to other humans that we are supposed to eat to be healthy and stay alive. What if I don't need to eat to be alive? I've never even tested that! I've just assumed and conformed, wow.

Being non-conformist is good to unravel your mind but when you undo all knots from your mind then you'll have to do new ones that are aligned with reality and truth, in that process maybe you discover some knots were quite accurate.

Edited December 7, 2025 by Davino

[Thought Art]

Some of the green health trends you list do have studies behind them. Not everyone doing those things is a blind retard just doing monkey see monkey do. I think there is conformity in those trends. But, there is health benefits some of these things and studies behind them. 
 

Acupressure is making a big difference for me. My studying of it for example has required me overcoming a lot of internal resistance, and focusing on doing it with open mindedness and curiosity. 
 

I feel amazing after a cold dip. I love breathing exercises. I love exercise and fitness. Those things make me feel good. I enjoy eating healthy. 

incense and natural oils, though I don’t buy all claims do bring sense of peace and beauty to my life…
 

I know like you said not all things are absolute conformity if they are done largely by conformity. 

I grant you a point made. But, I also push back to allow me to make my own decision regarding X. 

“Leo smart, everyone dumb”. 
 

NOTE: Don’t fall into the meta trap of conforming to Leo’s opinions, conclusion or way of thinking. That’s a trap. 

Edited December 7, 2025 by Thought Art

[Davino]

We won't conform to your post Leo

[Thought Art]

However, try taking anyone conforming to a health trend to be more open minded, holistic, ask serious questions about their conclusions, why they are doing what they are doing, etc… yeah, I’ve met conformist Wim Hoff, conformist Vipassana, etc

I love Qigong practice and have thousands of hours of practice and direct observation. 
 

But I find it cringe to see why people dressed in Chinese gown doing Qigong. It’s so cringe. I endure cringe when studying fields to mind the gold. 

Edited December 7, 2025 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Regarding to #317 quote, it is even illogical not to identify with anything you consider as not you.

You said so many negatives here that I cannot not make sense of what not not you even don't not mean.

Edited December 7, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Leo sassy AF these days sheeesh 😂

[Leo Gura]

Again, you guys need to just contemplate what conformity means and what it doesn't mean.

Because any time I say something is conformist, some offended guy will stand up and say, "But Leo, I love my kombucha man! Why you hating on kombucha man? Why you so judgmental? Kombucha is good for me."

I don't care if you swim around in a bathtub full of kombucha. As long as you do it of your own agency and not as a machine.

Edited December 7, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You said so many negatives here that I cannot not make sense of what not not you even don't not mean.

Lmao.

Simply, it is illogical to say "I am this, but not that".

[Leo Gura]

Everything but God is illogical if you look at it deep enough.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura It’s hard to tell what you mean. You say things like “no evidence” “people would shove pepper up their ass”, etc

It’s hard to make a distinction what you mean sometimes. Like, are you saying each of these things has no actually evidence and everyone is stupid or are you saying people generally conform to these health trends like machines. 
 

Your crass approach is confusing sometimes…

[Leo Gura]

@Thought Art

I am saying conformity.

You ever eat a Tide-pod?

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Good example. 

It was ONE time okay? Jk 

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Edited December 7, 2025 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

Do you understand that the words "based", "chad", "boomer", "zoomer", "rizz" are only used out of conformity? That's the only reason you know those words.

Anyways. You guys contemplate conformity more. I am not happy seeing all this confusion over such easy idea.

Edited December 7, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura We can contemplate conformity more but you can also admit their is layers to this. And, you said there was no evidence for these things in the green health post, did you not? 
 

 We ask these questions because in the space of conformity as you provide example with commentary we need to make a distinction between what exactly the kind of conformity that is happening. 
 

It was unclear if you were for example labelling Wim Hoff conformity but also debunking its legitimacy by how you worded this recent blog post. That’s partly on you. 

A tied pod is one thing. 
 

A health trend is another. 
 

Pretty much every diet trend is a form of conformity is a good example. 
 

Perhaps there is lower and higher levels of conformity. Likely true at different levels of education and ego development. 

It seems apparent to me there are kinds of conformity, and things that can be conformity but aren’t always depending on the consciousness brought in.

 

Enough for me today. Thanks for speaking with me a lot the last little bit. Stay well Leo. 
 

…. I would say conformity is a form of monkey see monkey do. It’s forming a social identity, or a habit or behaviour through osmosis of one’s culture. It is a survival mechanism that is largely unconscious. It is a form of heuristic for survival in a complex reality. It is a form of collective ego. Conformity is when someone identifies with, does, says, acts, etc in a mechanistic way through osmosis influence of their culture…. It’s a form of fitting in, being current, a limited form of truth seeking or defending. 
 

Okay, that’s my rough personal definition. 

Edited December 7, 2025 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

It was unclear if you were for example labelling Wim Hoff conformity but also debunking its legitimacy

Calling it conformity does not mean it doesn't work.

Wim Hoff works to some degree, but it is crazy overhyped and conformist.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Okay. And as we explore this these distinctions can create tripping and confusion. Don’t expect instant insight and grasping of your points… 

It was unclear exactly the framing of your recent post. To me at least….

It’s not my responsibility to just get what you mean. 

Edited December 7, 2025 by Thought Art

[Nemra]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Everything but God is illogical if you look at it deep enough.

My observations are also leading to the conclusion that things are illogical.

For example, it's illogical to think of oneself as someone who experiences stuff while living with others.

Another example is that human life has been going on for a long time, as if people continuously are born into this dimension, then die and are born as another thing in this dimension, treating this universe as some fixed place.

TBH, seeing through the illogicality of those two examples is not easy to handle, because your sense of self has been built on them for a long time.

The thought that nothing happened to anyone but me shocks me to the core.

Edited December 7, 2025 by Nemra

[Thought Art]

 

[integral]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Which is why I am here.

You have taken the concept of conformity and turned it into useless slop, suitable for feeding the hogs of academic philosophy.

lmfaoooOOOOo 

Elton John by choice conformed to social norms because of social pressures

So this is not unconscious social conformity identity alignment, but he did conform to a system.

To conform is to shape into, to adapt to, to be formed by.

The childs mind is shaped by a million factors: social, genetic, environmental, sickness, gravity... cows farting... chicken growth hormons...

The child conformed to the push and pull of systems its entangled in.

Most of does system are not social/cultural.

So conformity happens in many domains, This is holism and practical.

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In the latest blog and videos conformity is used specifically in the social domain to explain the mass hallucination and consumerist regurgitation of ideas. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

@Leo Gura you said :

"

Note: I want to warn you seriously about this notion of eliminating capitalism or the market system. I strongly disagree with Peter Joseph that markets or capitalism can be eliminated. This is a fantasy. It is not going to happen. Not at all! So do not get the wrong idea that just because I recommended Peter Joseph that I endorse eliminating capitalism and markets. I don't have time right now to explain why this will not work."

I would love to know from you when possible, why will not work. Because I also intuit it will not work and I see a lot of people in my circle of friends that support the ideia of ending capitalism. If is a fantasy is for sure something we need to understand.