Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Joseph Maynor]

9 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

The boredom of seeing the exact same patterns play out can jumpstart a break. Good to remember that if you have the truth, there's no need to convince or argue with anyone of its verity. Insight is self-evident. Even if slightly off, with responsibility also self-correcting/adjusting. Getting feedback helps of course, but people allocate way too much time & energy to endless discussions (which oftentimes aren't even honest discussions on the level).
Pure sharing is non-needy, do it for the joy, and whether people like/ignore/etc. is irrelevant.

I know what the deal is.  No need to school me.  Thank you though.  

[Yimpa]

12 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Miss Keryo very much!

Remember this beautiful edit they made?

 

OMG, me being da bitch is seriously the highest compliment 🐶

PIZZZAAAAA INFINITYYYY!

[LambdaDelta]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I know what the deal is.  No need to school me.  Thank you though.  

Could be useful for others reading the thread though, is not necessarily personally addressed 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Could be useful for others reading the thread though, is not necessarily personally addressed 

I don't know, but I said it.  Don't take it as an authority.  I don't even know what you look like.  

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

Trouble is pretty much everyone has that self-assessment, few ppl wanna admit they're clowns. Using x-ray vision to sort the wheat from the chaff looks more viable, especially given there's not that many regular users here; easy to memorize patterns. Regular posting itself is not a good sign, some of the coolest stuff I've seen from those just dropping in after a couple years of quietly doing the work and peacing out again. 

 @LambdaDeltaI mean, how can one not clown when Leo acts arrogantly? I think it is even justified, arrogance is delusion.

This is, as you said here, a pattern that he displays since years ago, no need to glaze or defend.

Edited 3 hours ago by Eskilon

[Joseph Maynor]

Here is the conundrum.  If God is an Individual, then how does the relation exist? 

[LambdaDelta]

13 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I don't even know what you look like.  

According to @Yimpa, like a stuffed fox looking into the void 🫣

 

 

9 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

 @LambdaDeltaI mean, how can one not clown when Leo acts arrogantly? I think it is even justified, arrogance is delusion.

This is, as you said here, a pattern that he displays since years ago, no need to glaze or defend.

Notice I didn't bring up Leo in this context. I do think he sometimes overdoes it with self-gratifying posting, like calling scientists retarded in 50 different ways and whatnot, at least partly as cope for the sacrifices & loneliness of the path, but there's sufficient instances of him admitting he's only human and not above corruption/ego. Ultimately how he acts here matters very little. In the same way, if he were a cult leader and claimed 1+1=2, would you dispute that because it's said by a cult leader? The arrogance seems more improper to those that treat him like a guru, to me there's no such thing, just a guy I listen to that knows more about certain things, and maybe in the future that'll become redundant too. 

Forum Leo is basically:

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It's plain hubris to think you can understand precesely what another is communicating or meaning with certain terms.

We have discussed at length, over multiple threads, that words do not have inherent meaning without context. Words are symbols and not containers. The tension is that words have enough shared meaning to create some overlap between minds....

We essentially communicate in our own language, transmitting the weight of our context and feeling out, and try to be understood. 

It's why we engage in good faith discussion.

But more often than not, nothing is discussed in good faith. The discussion ends as it does because we stop treating language as an attempt to communicate. We start treating it like some kind of evidence for prosecution.

Again it's "Not knowing" that has power.

[Adrian colby]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It's plain hubris to think you can understand precesely what another is communicating or meaning with certain terms.

We have discussed at length, over multiple threads, that words do not have inherent meaning without context. Words are symbols and not containers. The tension is that words have enough shared meaning to create some overlap between minds....

We essentially communicate in our own language, transmitting the weight of our context and feeling out, and try to be understood. 

It's why we engage in good faith discussion.

But more often than not, nothing is discussed in good faith. The discussion ends as it does because we stop treating language as an attempt to communicate. We start treating it like some kind of evidence for prosecution.

Again it's "Not knowing" that has power.

I like to call it abstraction. I was talking to a new Ager and my brother in law overheard. He went to his mother to say I was mental so I ended up having to explain symbolic language and getting to what the person is trying to point at using simile, metaphor ,analogy to similar patterns in different style language or framework. I called it abstraction.  Likening it to the Socratic method or what Pierre grimes would do with dreams. 
 

I did it with my dad in hospital when he was up to his eyeballs on morphine. Everyone else dismissed his slurred rambling and left the room. I had one of the most interesting conversations I’ve ever had with him. 
 

I also get what you say about meaning but only in context. This became very apparent to me while figuring out how AI was stringing words together to make intelligible sentences. It’s also something that has cropped up after my (very recent) autism diagnosis and that is not understanding what people are saying particularly in short group chat comments on the likes of WhatsApp and it’s because the word or sentence lacks the context. Just as with the nature of reality, meaning cannot mean something unless it relates to another meaning. It’s the relationship between the two where any understanding or distinction can occur. 
 

that’s just going to send me off into an expanding contemplation… I’ll stop my brain before it keeps itself awake all night 🫢