Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[ZenSwift]

Holy shit
https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-clown-world-of-looksmaxxing
Yeah that is bad. 
This Clavicular guy has his mind completely corrupted to LOLCOW levels. This example makes it comically clear why people paying you to pedal any ideology will retard your mind. He is a dancing monkey for for attention. Not to mention how much criticizing people's looks for a living will retard your sensemaking processes, and erode your entire self-image. This is the mind that looks like a foot subject to Chinese foot binding. I want to meet people that see my current mind in the same way (like a Chinese-bound foot) so they can point that out to me; so I can learn how to develop into a beautiful mind. But the same problem occurs: How do you point out the deficiencies to the person such that it leads to genuine awareness and raising of consciousness, rather than their mind closing down and retarding itself even more. This is one of the most fascinating aspects of reality, puzzles of reality that I am passionate about engaging with and "solving," which is why I have my life purpose aligned with life coaching, speaking, writing, self-actualization, understanding, etc. 

 

Clavicular could EASILY close so many more girls if his mind didn't run like a 4chan thread, and if he had ANY sane pointers on talking to girls. He's got the social proof/fame/money, he just needs experience of not thinking like a total incel when he's talking to these girls. A couple well-integrated concepts around frame would shift him so much. 
 

I know if I had got the financial success that rewarded this way of thinking, I would be the EXACT SAME. Literally the only difference for me was the monetary aspect. I had a group of friends that clapped every time I did something "edgy" or "based." I was basically groomed from age 16 to 19 to be a lolcow troll. So I can empathize with him in a unique way. I got out, I was lucky; because I was focused on personal development, I ended up coming to the clarity to drop them all, and I moved on to healthier ways of thinking. Imagine thinking all day along the lines of, "what is the most edgy thing I could say to gaslight this person?" To this day, I can still easily access that shitposting-type thinking. I've just matured past it to see it all as immaturity now. Now it primarily lingers in my sense of humor. 

Edited 8 hours ago by ZenSwift

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

including taking steroids during puberty, which can have a real effect.

This is a good point.

Yes, steroids definitely work. But he made himself sterile already, which is insane.

The stuff that works is dangerous and costly to health.

But still, no amount of steroids gave him his face, hair, height. That's all genetic.

I can take steroids and it won't make me look like him. Taking steroids is not going to help me get more girls. It is a meaningless difference.

Clavicular could gain 30 pounds of fat and he would still get lots of girls. Girls are not seeing his muscles when they get attracted to him.

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[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Starlight321 said:

reminds me of a new age friend with whom I'm working with.

Successful and attractive people often don't understand what actually generates their success.

They have fantasies about the causal factors in their success. The ego loves to attribute success to stuff it believes or thinks, when success is usually structural. A Hollywood actor might thinks she is successful due to her personality and skill, when really it's just her looks and family connections.

Even spiritual teachers do this. Spiritual teachers don't understand how much genetics made their success. They love to act like self-inquiry got them there. Get the fuck outta here -- dawg! I know what really caused your success.

The problem is that the structural factors of success and attractiveness cannot be easily sold to audiences. The guru needs something easy to sell. Some easy technique to look like a model or attain enlightenment. You can't sell genetics. That's why it's priceless.

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[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

I had a group of friends that clapped every time I did something "edgy" or "based." I was basically groomed from age 16 to 19 to be a lolcow troll.

Yeah, I get it.

These toxic online cultures rot minds by the millions. It's sad.

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[AtmanIsBrahman]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Clavicular could gain 30 pounds of fat and he would still get lots of girls. Girls are not seeing his muscles when they get attracted to him.

Not true because that would bloat his face, reducing attractiveness.

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But still, no amount of steroids gave him his face, hair, height. That's all genetic.

He claims to have taken hgH during puberty to increase his height. As for the face, the structure is impacted by using testosterone and whatever else he was injecting himself with.
We don't know what Clavicular would have looked like without looksmaxxing, but I think it would have been much worse. Genetics might only be 50% of the reason for his  looks.

Looksmaxxing is in its infancy, but it already works to some extent. The question is what to do with it-- whether to pursue better looks or focus on more important things in life.
 

Edited 5 hours ago by AtmanIsBrahman

[Davino]

What makes a good marriage can be boiled down to this: An ongoing increase of more and better love-connection.

Every year I'm more in love with my partner, our mutual love goes on increasing, this is the secret. It's like dancing.

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Genetics might only be 50% of the reason for his  looks.

I think it's more like 90%.

10% looksmaxxing at best. That 10% is not worth the time. Investing that time in game would yield 200% the results.

The only looksmaxxing that makes sense to me is dress, grooming, teeth straightening, and hair transplant if you are balding. Steroids if you don't care about your health. Nose-job makes sense if you got a weird-looking nose. All other resources should be invested into game and socializing.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Oppositionless]

Most succesful mainstream celebrities are independently wealthy . Not always, lots of famous rappers came from the hood, but usually.

[Monster Energy]

 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Most succesful mainstream celebrities are independently wealthy . Not always, lots of famous rappers came from the hood, but usually.

That world is so based on looks and just luck.

It's like winning the lottery.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Not true because that would bloat his face, reducing attractiveness

Nope - that's not guaranteed. Where you hold and put on fat is genetic.

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Looksmaxxing is in its infancy, but it already works to some extent. The question is what to do with it-- whether to pursue better looks or focus on more important things in life.

100% focus on more important things. It's not so black and white 'I must do this OR that'. Do this AND that. Be a metrosexual, its fine. Hardmaxxing is not. But do not become attached to appearance and looks. Build a solid foundation of what you want to DO in life and how you can provide value (if you want to participate in the benefits of society ie medical aid, roads, electricity, delivery, gas, water, then you have to give back in some way). 

You're going to end up old and saggy - and that's fine. Looks fade. There is nothing wrong with aging or not being super good looking. Build something you can base your life on, not something that is going to disintegrate.

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[jimwell]

Looksmaxxing is essentially the Western counterpart to the aesthetic ideals seen in K-pop men.  

You can wear makeup, go through surgery or hair transplants, and rely on other artificial enhancements. But the result will always feel unsatisfying because a man ultimately desires to embody the essence of masculinity: true masculine beauty. This is what the highest-quality girls are genuinely sexully attracted to: masculine beauty.  

Even if these artificial methods produce a beautiful face, what you accomplish is only beauty, not masculine beauty. Masculine beauty is not just any beauty, it is also genuineness and rawness.

[Leo Gura]

30 lbs of fat on a 6'2" frame will barely affect the face. Might even make it better. Will look more buff and beefy.

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[ExploringReality]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

30 lbs of fat on a 6'2" frame will barely affect the face. Might even make it better. Will look more buff and beefy.

We call that being swole

[aurum]

6 minutes ago, Davino said:

What makes a good marriage can be boiled down to this: An ongoing increase of more and better love-connection.

Every year I'm more in love with my partner, our mutual love goes on increasing, this is the secret. It's like dancing.

That feels like an impossible expectation at a certain point.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, aurum said:

That feels like an impossible expectation at a certain point.

I am intrigued over how we all conceptualise love and marriage.

I view it as a dissolution of the barriers between two people. Bringing raw authenticity and truth to the surface of each partner and how they view each other - and accepting. And not in a way that degrades boundaries; more about seeing the truth of the person as separate, and experiencing what is created between them - love & unity. Romantic drive appears like a poor man's human way of attempting to reach the the sublime threshold of God's love through another, in union. 

[aurum]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Romantic drive appears like a poor man's human way of attempting to reach the the sublime threshold of God's love through another, in union. 

Looking for love in all the wrong places, as they say.

I think the biggest thing is having proper expectations. Most of our frustrations come from expecting things that can't be fulfilled.

Your toilet has never let you down, because you never expect it to be anything but a toilet. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, aurum said:

Your toilet has never let you down, because you never expect it to be anything but a toilet. 

Heh heh heh

The simply value exchange of a toilet. Deposit my goods, takes it away. There when I need it, where I left it. Performs a function in my life.

When it's needy though. Oh boy. We need external assistance to service the bastard, just to deal with its (cough) shit!  

[Leo Gura]

28 minutes ago, aurum said:

Your toilet has never let you down, because you never expect it to be anything but a toilet. 

Bro, I flushed my upstairs bedroom toilet a few months back and gallons of shit-water was raining from my kitchen ceiling.

You ain't never owned a house yet.

My toilet broke me worse than my last girlfriend.

If you don't think your toilet will break your heart, you're in for a rude awakening.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Traps for online content creators

This is a serious amount of self reflection coming from experience. And it can apply to much more than just online content creation.

From equating human romance to the value obtained from a toilet, to analysing the self so much we need a staple gun to the forehead. Only @ Actualized.org 😁😁😁