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[Ulax]

44 minutes ago, aurum said:

Because EDT is vertical.

MBTI may potentially be better for understanding certain axes of intelligence, like aesthetic or somatic intelligence. But it's a horizontal model. It operates under the assumption that you have innate cognitive preferences that will not change, regardless of vertical development. So I argue it flattens developmental distinctions.

Ultimately I think it's worth studying both. 

Oh. I thought you meant you thought EDT was superior to Spiral dynamics

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[Joshe]

11 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Joshe, I got INTP from the free test.

But I think the test was simplified.

The people who run that site are arguably the foremost experts in MBTI, so I think their test is solid as long as you answer correctly. 

I'm no MBTI expert, but as far as I can tell, you can spot an INTP by how often they tinker with ideas, pull apart concepts, and see what actually holds up logically. That seems to be their default setting. If you only do this from time to time and it does not energize you, you're not INTP. 

An INTP would explore every country in the world just for the sake of knowledge itself. When the Geo Challenge post first came online, I thought that was a really cool thing to do. I'm interested in all kinds of knowledge too, but that doesn't make me an INTP. I started the challenge and the first thing I did was start building a Notion template to manage it all, because that's what my type does, it likes to architect systems. So I set the system up and planned my learning strategy, then made it about an hour into the challenge before I said, "fuck this, I've got shit to do." If you started the Geo Challenge and you're still going strong with it, that might be a pretty solid sign you're an INTP. 

If you collect and hoard knowledge like it’s treasure, with no intention of ever spending it, you’re probably an INTP. 😆

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[aurum]

9 minutes ago, Ulax said:

Oh. I thought you meant you thought EDT was superior to Spiral dynamics

It's also arguably superior to SD for individuals.

The strength and weakness of SD is that it's both a collective and individualistic model. So it's very broad and holistic in its scope, which gets you interesting insights. But also, because it's not as narrow in its focus, it lacks specialization. 

Tradeoffs.

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[Nemra]

@Joshe, I do like knowing stuff, but I'm driven by comprehending stuff.

I get excited when I try to understand and make connections. It's like my life depends on it.

44 minutes ago, Joshe said:

An INTP would explore every country in the world just for the sake of knowledge itself.

For me, it would be for the sake of comprehension.

Only knowledge is too dry for me.

I don't try to logicize everything, but I love making logical connections.

I would do site hunting to find programs all over the internet to try them and understand how they work, regardless of how obscure they are.

I would learn many programming languages because it amazed me how programs are maintained by code.

I have too many internal thoughts, by which one might go crazy. I try to let them flow and understand them. I talk to myself a lot. 😁

Etc.

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[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

delivers truth but never in a cold, blunt manner.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hahaha CORNERED 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe 

I appreciate the insight! 

I think your description actually fits better. I have a feeling societys conditioning on women has pushed me towards care for feeling a lot. But I am very results driven. Hey - I mean, I build hospitals for a living! The building is the result I picture in my mind constantly.

And yep patterns jump out at me, I don't even look for it. 

Interesting it is rare, but does nothing for my ego. I do enjoy the analysis more as tool to know how I process information and make decisions. And for awareness of the flaws in the process! 

Makes me think why the hell intuitition developed as a survival tool, since sensing seems more valuable there ?

Cheers 🥂 

[Joshe]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Makes me think why the hell intuitition developed as a survival tool, since sensing seems more valuable there ?

Yeah, it's very interesting. It's also interesting that introverted intuition is the dominant function in most enlightened masters. They mostly all operate on Ni Fe. 

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[Joshe]

@Nemra Hmm, I'm not sure. I don't have experience with every type. I think you're either ISFP or INFP.

Keep in mind, someone could operate within a specific cognitive domain but have values that conflict with the domain, which can cause distorted test results and an inconsistent personality presentation. In this situation, until those inner conflicts are resolved, tests will reflect the tug-of-war rather than a clear cognitive stack. 

Also, I didn't think about it before, but what could be going on with your test results is if you're and introverted feeling dominant (ISFP, INFP), your answers might shift depending on how you're feeling in the moment, or what parts of your identity you're currently prioritizing. 

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[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, Joshe said:

inconsistent personality presentation

Maybe that's not a bug, but a feature. 😁

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Maybe that's not a bug, but a feature. 😁

Could be 😂

[Nemra]

@Joshe, I definitely am not driven by feelings, but I do have deep feelings.

I do think and imagine a lot, and I have a crazy stream of thoughts; however, I don't try to find answers by solely doing logic. I try to connect and find patterns a lot.

[PenguinPablo]

@Joshe Lol every single one of them is INFJ.

I think most likely I am INFJ or INTJ

[Joshe]

16 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Joshe, I definitely am not driven by feelings, but I do have deep feelings.

I do think and imagine a lot, and I have a crazy stream of thoughts; however, I don't try to find answers by solely doing logic. I try to connect and find patterns a lot.

I sense you're getting at you don't fit in the model? lol. Take it up with Jung bro!

Every person I've ever known closely matches a type to a T. Every one of them.

I always wondered why my mom couldn't deviate from routine and what her problem with spontaneity was and why she's absolutely allergic to my main mode of cognition. Everything about her is explained by ISTJ, perfectly. It explains her better than she can explain herself. When I read her personality type to her, all she could do was smile. My first function is her last and her first is my last, which explains why having a conversation with her is usually impossible. 

Every family member, every friend I've ever had fits into one of the 16 types. Not just a little bit in this one and a little bit in that one, but wholly inside one specific type. 

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[Joshe]

11 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

@Joshe Lol every single one of them is INFJ.

I think most likely I am INFJ or INTJ

Yeah, crazy, right? Leo often talks about genetics being the dominant factor for spiritual evolution but what if it's cognitive function, and specifically introverted intuition, which I'm sure has a genetic component, but how much is uncertain. 

[How to be wise]

@Joshe I’m 100% certain that Eckhart Tolle is an INFP. As far as Jesus and Buddha go, it’s pure speculation. We have so little biographical data of each. David Hawkins and Krishnamurti are ENTPs. It’s also unlikely we can tell what type Meister Eckhart was, beyond being an intuitive. As far as Padmasambhava goes, well, I’m not even going to talk about that. 

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I sense you're getting at you don't fit in the model? lol. Take it up with Jung bro!

I didn't say that.

Well, then it's settled. I'm an INTP. 😁

Or maybe the test should have better questions. 😌

[Miguel1]

9 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Joshe I’m 100% certain that Eckhart Tolle is an INFP. As far as Jesus and Buddha go, it’s pure speculation. We have so little biographical data of each. David Hawkins and Krishnamurti are ENTPs. It’s also unlikely we can tell what type Meister Eckhart was, beyond being an intuitive. As far as Padmasambhava goes, well, I’m not even going to talk about that. 

Osho also most likely ENFP.

Rupert is something completely else to INFJ?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

 

Smells like BS.

[Joshe]

31 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Joshe I’m 100% certain that Eckhart Tolle is an INFP. As far as Jesus and Buddha go, it’s pure speculation. We have so little biographical data of each. David Hawkins and Krishnamurti are ENTPs. It’s also unlikely we can tell what type Meister Eckhart was, beyond being an intuitive. As far as Padmasambhava goes, well, I’m not even going to talk about that. 

You may be right. I'm no type expert, so I couldn't say. This is just what the personality-database.com reports, which is based on number of votes from the typology community. Hawkins being ENTP is way off. As for Tolle, 94 votes for INFJ vs 8 for INFP. 

For Rupert: 

Ignore introverted intuition if you want, but the typology community converges on most of the masters having it as their dominant mode of cognition. 

Search them up here if you want: https://www.personality-database.com/search?keyword=rupert spira

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