The problem of not knowing and acting on the relative world

[Javfly33]

35 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Your "serious epistemological questions" are what you're distracting yourself with away from a lived life, and you've built an identity on it which you now can't let go of. There's a time and place for everything. You don't have your life sorted out but you plan to "solve" existence? Do you really think you can do it from this place?

Balance, dude. I'll use myself as an example: I handle things in my life - full-time job, girlfriend, family + friendship, chores, growing as an creative outlet, working on physique - AND pretty much always finding time to focus on reality when the calling comes, upgrading understanding, asking myself powerful questions. Do you realize how much insight there is waiting for you once you DO things in life, instead of just sitting in place and thinking with no experience acquired? There is SO much insight which mirrors the workings of reality in physical training, in relationships, in your job, creative expression, hobbies, basically everywhere.

Not to be demeaning, but your "epistemological questions" are really not that important, truly. I get that you think they are, I completely realize that you find what I'm saying here offensive, because this is what you genuinely think YOU are. I am undermining a very large part of your sense of identity and purpose right now, consciously. But dude, connect the dots. You are depressed. You haven't been taking a lot of action in life. You haven't even had a job. This is a wake up call. You are not some martyr, sacrificing yourself for the sake of these deep epistemological questions. This is not your time to be doing this. You just want a sense of purpose in life, you don't want to feel the void inside of you, and so you're thinking, thinking, thinking about these "important" things. Instead of acting, acting, acting. 

If you are really serious about spirituality, do an experiment: let go of spirituality, and your need to tackle existential/epistemological questions, for the time being. You can do that later in life. Letting go of THAT would be the hardest for you, and thus this would be the greatest growth.

A man must be able to burn down everything in his life. Be capable of dying and changing, rising from the ashes.

Killing yourself is really fun, when you get into it. Kill what you are right now. "A philosopher". Kill that, for fun. And try to be different things, create different identites, develop other energy sources. I recommend it.

Btw, this is completely wrong and backwards. You will not "solve" existence from your current place, prior to engaging with life. And "solving" existence does not help with material success in the slightest. You will achieve a particular thing by acting on that thing and learning while doing so, not by thinking about acting without zero actual doing.

This is you: "I must understand EVERYTHING before I can do ANYTHING". No.  Paralysis by analysis taken to it's utter extreme. 

Woooow, that was a big and long slap of hard love. 

 

I understand @Someone herepoint though. You are one of my kind. Let me tell you, this Life, how is constructed, absolutely sucks.

The more you contemplate, think, choose intelligence, comfort, etc... The more you will get near to death. And the more you act, move, stress, compulsively join the rat race... The more Life will reward you in all aspects. 

For example, my life was incredibly when I was doing oxycodone 2 years ago, you couldn't believe how much I accomplished in those 2 years and how easy and and sweet it was, but I was so blissed out all the time between that and the yoga of sadhguru that the gap between my lifestyle and the world was greater each time, so at one point it collapses. 

Same when I was doing heroin, life is 100000% more easy on it, you can't believe how incredibly easy is on it, it would shock you, but because of this, Life also will punish you because Life and society works around constant struggle and friction, so living a lifestyle of friction free will also not work at some point. 

So basically I realized I had to quit opiates, my true love, because even though they make life so much easier, softer, basically a walk in the park, Life and society punishes you because you are so outside the suffering matrix, you become an outsider. Not because you can not work or exercise or eat good, in fact doing this things will again be so much easier, but because again since you will stop accepting life rules (struggle) because the opiate entities seduce you into believing life should be good, stress free and Comfortable, you will stop connecting to others that follow God and Life's rules (struggle, friction) 

This is just to tell you life sucks and if you want to live Life SUCCESSFULLY EMBRACE sucking. Life doesn't want you to enjoy or be easy. 

 

Edited June 30 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

@Javfly33 thanks for the reply . Great news to hear you improved your life .

I want to lay out my issue once more hopefully with more perssion. 

Once upon a time There was nothing . Then for whatever the hell reason a baby came out of a womb crying and  having perceptions. A consciousness is born out of nowhere to see the light . Now if that's not the most miraculous mind blowing thing ever then I don't know what else is . Then this baby grows into an adult . He learns everything from his or her environment. Its not like you are born with Kantian a priori knowledge of abstracts and shit . You learn what society teaches you . Then you go on with your life . But actually life is doing you ..you are not doing it. You take a walk late at night and you observe old souls walking at around 3 AM. Those people have something in common ..they just happen to be conscious completely that there is something incredibly and unbelievably mysterious going on . That's why you have Leo. That's why you are in this forum . Then you start to get intrusive thoughts : what if I die ? What if i end in hell burning in eternal fire and god will stick his cock into my ass for eternity..? What if what if what if ..there is millions of them . So what does the modern person do? He smokes ..he drinks ..he eats junk..he watches 90000 hours of pornography and cums 200000 times ..he try drugs ..he suicides and dies . Where did he go ? Nobody knows.  Why was he born in the first place if he was going to die ?  Nobody knows .Old souls start thinking there must be something to solve this madness. What is it ? If you can tell it to me and convince me I will cut my balls off .

[James123]

@Someone here if you have a courage, you have to completely let go yourself / thinking, and let the moment leads / take actions.

Then realization happens that You are the moment.

Flow with water. you can not fight with it.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Someone here if you have a courage, you have to completely let go yourself / thinking, and let the moment leads / take actions.

Then realization happens that You are the moment.

Flow with water. you can not fight with it.

How do I trust the flow of reality that it leads to a good destination?  I'm not after anything more than knowing everything is going to be perfect in the end . What if x y z?

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

How do I trust the flow of reality that it leads to a good destination? 

If you do not have any expectations, wherever it leads, you are happy. 

Success or money never bring happiness, even if it brings, only temporary, and there are so many suffering underlies to not to lose the success or money.

 

[Someone here]

23 hours ago, James123 said:

If you do not have any expectations, wherever it leads, you are happy. 

Success or money never bring happiness, even if it brings, only temporary, and there are so many suffering underlies to not to lose the success or money.

 

Good point James. Thanks. 

[James123]

51 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Good point James. Thanks. 

Anytime brother. 

[Carl-Richard]

Synchroncity: http://youtube.com/post/Ugkxhb44-s5FuKii1d1duEnhocQaQBMA1l_P?si=kqFpEEeQRa64p2jd

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard you do not understand my problem enough. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard you do not understand my problem enough. 

Puer aeternus and existential OCD are two sides of the same coin. 

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard so now it's about talking Hebrew German words which one needs to Google and you get off of your on farts instead of genuine help ? Do not make me lose all the respect I have to you . If you can't relate nor understand my problem then that's okay .I'm not forcing you to comment here .

[saif2]

@Someone hereI think I am in a similar place.

However, You can become aware of the demands of life (job, bills, socializing, side project...) as a part of how reality works. 

I have been realizing recently that 200 hours of meditation will might teach me how to get money a little bit, but trying to open a business will do that in 2 hours. There is something deeply delusional about the previous view.

[theleelajoker]

On 3.7.2025 at 8:40 PM, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard so now it's about talking Hebrew German words which one needs to Google and you get off of your on farts instead of genuine help ? Do not make me lose all the respect I have to you . If you can't relate nor understand my problem then that's okay .I'm not forcing you to comment here .

I believe everyone is doing the best he can. I am doing the best I can in my life. You're doing the best you can with the situation you described. CR is doing the best he can to support and help you.

Maybe CR has or will have some input that will help you with the situation you describe. Maybe the first input wasn't what you hoped for, but the input can't improve of he's losing his motivation to engage...

When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away at his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before."

-Jacob Riis

Edited Saturday at 01:06 AM by theleelajoker

[Inliytened1]

On 5/13/2024 at 1:17 PM, Someone here said:

This is a problem im facing ..at this point im clueless about how to go about the rest of my life ..practically speaking like studying and career-wise ..the main reason is my discovery  that i can't be certain of anything than this present moment.  How can i know that studying hard will make me get wealth and payoff ? That's just one example. 

I am 100% certain that I am conscious and i exist but it is not possible for me to know with 100% certainty that other humans.. non-human organisms..the Earth and the rest of the Universe actually exist. I perceive my body..animals.. the Earth and part of  the rest of the Universe. It is possible that what I perceive is either a dream or a hallucination or an illusion or a simulation and not objectively real. It is also possible that my perceived reality is actually real.. but I have no way of knowing this with 100% certainty. Given the fact that I cannot know with 100% certainty what is objectively real.. how can I know what is morally correct with 100% certainty?

Hoe can I know anything on the practical level if i don't know anything on the metaphysical/existential level ?

Leo's answer was a good one i can't really top that but I'll say this.  I've known you for a bunch of years now from here.  And if there is anything I know it's two things- you are extremely bright...and you like to procrastinate 😀  don't worry I do too at times...

But you're spiritually bypassing right now so that you don't have to face the practical stuff.  You know they are two different domains.  You can be a brilliant mathematician or scientist and not know your arse from your elbow when it comes to God and Truth.   And vice versa.   You actually know a lot about both domains- when it comes to metaphysics you know more than you deem..however you also can intuit that ultimately you will require awakening to gain that certainty you are looking for.  It does exist and it's called Absolute Truth.   Now in the practical or relative domain certainty is hard to come by but notice that this is a feature and not a bug.   If you had complete certainty all the time it would be like being in God mode.  You would lose the lust for life.  For the game of life.  Right now you don't realize it's a game so you want all the answers and you want them now 😏 

Edited Saturday at 01:58 AM by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

Interesting. another person who doesn't understand my problem despite me stating it in 4 different ways in this thread .you guys still confuse not knowing with not  being able to cook or flush my stink in the toilet or knowing how to function in society.  Is that really what I mean?  

From the moment you open your eyes in the morning you are forced to engage with reality on a practical level.  Even if you stay in bed all day that's still an engagement and you will reap what you sow .the problem is you are being bombarded by 10000000 choices every second .you are being treated by society as if you are a person who thinks ..instead of being formless consciousness in which the person and thoughts arise in. So you are never good enough .you chase the carrot like a donkey but never arrive. 

I've been complaining why Peter Ralston doesn't have free books online. But luckily I found the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

[UnbornTao]

Okay, problem unsolved. 

Edited Monday at 11:14 PM by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

10 hours ago, Someone here said:

Interesting. another person who doesn't understand my problem despite me stating it in 4 different ways in this thread .you guys still confuse not knowing with not  being able to cook or flush my stink in the toilet or knowing how to function in society.  Is that really what I mean?  

From the moment you open your eyes in the morning you are forced to engage with reality on a practical level.  Even if you stay in bed all day that's still an engagement and you will reap what you sow .the problem is you are being bombarded by 10000000 choices every second .you are being treated by society as if you are a person who thinks ..instead of being formless consciousness in which the person and thoughts arise in. So you are never good enough .you chase the carrot like a donkey but never arrive. 

I've been complaining why Peter Ralston doesn't have free books online. But luckily I found the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

When I was getting my driving license, I was currently meditating so hard every day that I was ultra conscious of everything I didn't know when driving, and it made me extremely careful. How do I know exactly where my car is placed in the road? How do I know exactly how much I should turn the steering wheel when in a curve? How do I know if I can stop on time if a person jumps out behind a car and runs out in the road? How do I know exactly when it's too late to drive or stop at a yellow light? Over time, I just had to accept that there are so many things I can't know while driving and that this is normal and people just are used to driving while knowing very little and have just learned to do what seems to work by simply driving.

Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

Perhaps you engaged in this long format contemplation with the users here to lead you to this book.

Because I have just finished it.

It has many of the answers you are seeking - I highly recommend it

[Breakingthewall]

On 30/6/2025 at 10:30 PM, Someone here said:

How do I trust the flow of reality that it leads to a good destination?  I'm not after anything more than knowing everything is going to be perfect in the end . What if x y z?

On 30/6/2025 at 10:30 PM, Someone here said:

 

On 30/6/2025 at 2:21 PM, Someone here said:

 

You only can trust your instinct. You can't know where reality is taking you. It's impossible to know. The only thing you can know is your natural tendency, what reality is asking you to do. The more in sync you are with reality and the less resistance you have, the clearer you see it. It seems like you're blocked because you put up a lot of resistance between yourself and reality. The question is: Do you want to break that resistance or not?

Pd: don't tell me that you can't put resistance between you and the reality because you are the reality, you know what I mean, you as a plane of the reality, the perceptor, and reality as the plane of becoming, life that happens 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

On 7/7/2025 at 10:05 AM, Someone here said:

Interesting. another person who doesn't understand my problem despite me stating it in 4 different ways in this thread .you guys still confuse not knowing with not  being able to cook or flush my stink in the toilet or knowing how to function in society.  Is that really what I mean?  

From the moment you open your eyes in the morning you are forced to engage with reality on a practical level.  Even if you stay in bed all day that's still an engagement and you will reap what you sow .the problem is you are being bombarded by 10000000 choices every second .you are being treated by society as if you are a person who thinks ..instead of being formless consciousness in which the person and thoughts arise in. So you are never good enough .you chase the carrot like a donkey but never arrive. 

I've been complaining why Peter Ralston doesn't have free books online. But luckily I found the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

This should be a clue to not spend touch time here and work on yourself.  Just saying.  We don't know you because we aren't you, and only you can fix it.

Edited 6 hours ago by Inliytened1