Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

[mmKay]

@Scholar death penalty exists in the US, china , Japan etc. Plow chatgpt for perspectives for and against death penalty. You have a point but there is more to it

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The only reason such laws don't exist is because 10% of Wall Street would be executed.

We could always bring back the good old days public executions, right in front the Bull of Wall Street

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

51 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Your argument is fundamentally flawed because we do not even punish such people with life in prison. It wouldn't be a greater deterant than if you simply put them in prison for life. Your logic is just silly. You only get negatives, while achieving nothing that you could not achieve with deterants that are in line with fundamental priniples of humanity, civility and moral progress. Even ChatGPT is more sophisticated than you are on this question, which should be embarrassing.

Especially people such as the most vile criminals are essential for us as a society to transcend such flaws in our nature. We must understand them, we must allow them to to exist so as to demonstrate our core values as a soiety, and we must allow them to redeem themselves.

If you just execute everyone who is evil, how will we ever learn how these people came to be? Their self-understanding, as would be achieved through self-reflection, is of essential utility to us.

There are various other arguments for why the death penality in the contemporary context is simply inappropriate, but that would require you to think about what you say before you say it. Alternatively you can go and ask Claude for some guidance.

   How is @Leo Gura's flawed when he's just imagining this scenario as a hypothetical to begin with???

   What wouldn't be a greater deterrent? The death penalty isn't a greater deterrent than life without/with parole? So apparently the threat of death is lesser in deterrence than the threat of taking away freedoms?

   Again how is @Leo Gura making the argument of executing ALL EVIL PEOPLE? It's just the top 8-105 of Wall Street scammers that do swindles of up to 100 million dollars and more. In fact the OP is more making the argument, and @Leo Gura is adding his own opinion to it.

   While there exists various other arguments for why the death penalty is inappropriate in contemporary world, there's also an equal amount for arguments in favor for the death penalty. One scenario, a bit exaggerated, is in cases when the crime is so horrific, and mass scale, a serial killer that killed hundreds and raped hundreds of girls that there's almost a nation wide DEMAND for justice, in the form of a death penalty just because of the horrific nature of mass murdering and mass raping girls in not just one local area but a few others. Would you deny the nation's and population's demand of justice in this level?

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is too precious an experience to had out to such cretins.

5-MeO is a reward, not a punishment.

I doubt Trump would see it as a reward, if it can help Mike Tyson in certain ways it could maybe help Trump in certain ways. 

Also the point of prison is rehabilitation Leo, research has already gone in that punishment over the long term doesn't work. What works is support systems and training and the establishment of trust. Me and you both know Trump only trusts himself probably and sees the world as black and white and survival of the fittest. To change the world there needs to be radical experiences that completely trump the originally held paradigm.

 

4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Razard86

   That law is too expensive. We'd run out of 5 MeO DMT. What genius would consider that without considering the tradeoffs?

5 MEO is made in a lab so its definitely possible. We wouldn't just use it on anybody do you know how rare the death penalty is? Go research it. It doesn't happen as often as you think and it takes years before they actually execute someone on death row.

Edited April 16 by Razard86

[Danioover9000]

@Razard86

54 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I doubt Trump would see it as a reward, if it can help Mike Tyson in certain ways it could maybe help Trump in certain ways. 

Also the point of prison is rehabilitation Leo, research has already gone in that punishment over the long term doesn't work. What works is support systems and training and the establishment of trust. Me and you both know Trump only trusts himself probably and sees the world as black and white and survival of the fittest. To change the world there needs to be radical experiences that completely trump the originally held paradigm.

 

5 MEO is made in a lab so its definitely possible. We wouldn't just use it on anybody do you know how rare the death penalty is? Go research it. It doesn't happen as often as you think and it takes years before they actually execute someone on death row.

   Christ! The point of prison is rehabilitation?! Yet you then counter claim yourself by saying that punishment over the long term doesn't work, so which is it genius: Prisons are rehabilitating to be in long term, or are prisons detrimental in punishments long term? What works is support systems, training and establishment of trust, yet if you have small groups and increasing numbers of criminality and evil, how would you even begin to establish said trust, training and support systems? How would you handle the tax paying needed? And how would you balance and reconcile with the victims of those atrocities of capital punishment when in some cases some very rich and powerful individuals get a slap on the wrist?

   No, you tell me how 'rare' the death penalty is, and how affordable wide distribution of 5 Meo DMT is. The onus of burden, proof and argument is on YOU, genius, since YOU'RE making such bold claims to begin with at me and @Leo Gura. I'd research this later, but since you're so pushy with your posting and claims, then you first provide your proof and reasoning first. I'll check later.

[Joel3102]

I don’t think it’s that common for $100m+ outright scams to exist. Everyone hears about SBF, Theranos etc but the idea all of Wall St is just a scam is just ignorance because people don’t understand how the financial system works

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

I don’t think it’s that common for $100m+ outright scams to exist. Everyone hears about SBF, Theranos etc but the idea all of Wall St is just a scam is just ignorance because people don’t understand how the financial system works

Great! Then they won't mind if we pass this law 

Edited April 16 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

@Joel3102

17 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

I don’t think it’s that common for $100m+ outright scams to exist. Everyone hears about SBF, Theranos etc but the idea all of Wall St is just a scam is just ignorance because people don’t understand how the financial system works

   Why are you defending your Wall Street masters? Can't you not see the pyramid schemes they make from ordinary folk?