Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

@zazen  

The Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started. After each defeat, they lost territory.

Palestinians can live under the State of Israel, but they cannot self-determine. Like any other Muslim group in the Gulf, they end up ruled by radical Islam, which hangs homosexuals, stones adulterers, allows forced marriages, and has Israel as its mortal enemy, brainwashed by the islamism. The other option is that the Islamic dictatorship will be deposed by a military dictator, as in Syria or Egypt, and that this dictator will be tolerant of Israel out of self-interest against its population.

In Iraq, parliament has just approved the marriage of 9-year-old girls. It is better to protect Muslims from these practices, as well as stoning women, the murder of gays, and the obligation to wear a hood under penalty of death. It is not good for human beings. It's sad that they have that tendency, and seems inevitable, but a democratic country like Israel can't allow that political tendency in its territory. If in the future the Muslims show sanity and will to develop as society, stopping seeing martyrdom as main value and goal in life, then they could claim self determination in Israel. For now seems better to protect the humanity from this strange behavior 

Anyway, just a reflection: imagine that Jews never came to Palestine. How would be Palestine now? Would Palestine exist, or maybe if would be absorbed by another country. If don't, how would be it now? A good place to live? What kind of place?

Edited October 1 by Breakingthewall

[MightyMind]

has anyone mentioned the IDF soldier outlining in court that they were ordered to stand down on Oct 7th? 

Link to Shalom's testimony from July 10th 2024 in the Parliament: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5nSeg8obg

Link to his recent interview, after the recording of the stand down order was released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2z6hisdqy4

Here on twitter https://x.com/BootOnTheFace/status/1972071251515695580

Here on Rumble https://rumble.com/v6zdhb4-an-idf-soldier-says-there-was-a-stand-down-order-on-oct-7.html

Edited October 1 by MightyMind

[Nivsch]

[Nivsch]

"Gaza village" Kibbutz in Israel (not actual Gaza)

Edited October 1 by Nivsch

[ExploringReality]

You guys!!! I am having a meltdown at work. I can't handle seeing these people starve, die, get blown up. Kids are dying in front of their mother's. Hospital's are being blown to smithereens. 

I can't handle this, I just start crying randomly in front of people they don't understand why. And to not call this a genocide is stupid. And seeing how the US supports Israel and there's no food in Gaza, innocent people are dying everyday. I can't take this anymore, where is our humanity?

This feels like the come up of a very strong psychedelic trip, I remember Terrence McKenna saying that history is a bad trip.

I'm just trying to keep myself from being outraged and too emotional. I'm sick to my stomach

God help us. God please bring light and love to the people of Gaza. I am praying for my brothers and sisters. I love you.

Mentally I am with the men women and children that are suffering right now

Edited October 2 by ExploringReality

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

You guys!!! I am having a meltdown at work. I can't handle seeing these people starve, die, get blown up. Kids are dying in front of their mother's. Hospital's are being blown to smithereens. 

I can't handle this, I just start crying randomly in front of people they don't understand why. And to not call this a genocide is stupid. And seeing how the US supports Israel and there's no food in Gaza, innocent people are dying everyday. I can't take this anymore, where is our humanity?

This feels like the come up of a very strong psychedelic trip, I remember Terrence McKenna saying that history is a bad trip.

I'm just trying to keep myself from being outraged and too emotional. I'm sick to my stomach

God help us. God please bring light and love to the people of Gaza. I am praying for my brothers and sisters. I love you.

Mentally I am with the men women and children that are suffering right now

Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas! Well, Hamas is a branch of the Muslims brothers, those peaceful people 

But horror in not only Muslim. In tigray have dead 500.000 three years ago, and in congo millions (and lately isis involved in horrific crimes there). Did you know that? Anyone cares? 

Edited October 2 by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas! Well, Hamas is a branch of the Muslims brothers, those peaceful people 

But horror in not only Muslim. In tigray have dead 500.000 three years ago, and in congo millions (and lately isis involved in horrific crimes there). Did you know that? Anyone cares? 

 

The Muslim brotherhood has no on the ground presence in Nigeria. Hamas when it was founded was inspired by the Muslim brotherhood but isn’t currently connected to the Muslim brotherhood proper since it was outlawed in Egypt and acts independently. The Muslim brotherhood has an extremely small faction in Yemen that was actually supporting the US side against the Houthis. The Muslim brotherhood was outlawed in Syria decades ago and was very irrelevant on the ground but had some initial role diplomatically before being iced out.

It’s ridiculous you were just complaining people blamed the US and Israel for everything then turned around and blamed the Muslim brotherhood for everything, when the US and Israel had far greater involvement in the conflicts you just listed. The US supported Saudi Arabia creating a man made famine in Yemen, Israel and the US both publicly acknowledged arming and funding Syrian rebel groups.

To say the relevant detail of all these conflicts is the “Muslim brotherhood” is beyond stupid and you just think that because it sounds like a spooky term so you can deny / defend the much larger violence and instability caused by the US and Israel because you support them.

And no, it isn’t “worse”. In proportion to the population more Gazans were killed in a much shorter time frame than Syrians or Yemenis, and a higher portion of women and children. Naturally since Israel is doing it this time you support it.

By your own logic, stop complaining about violence by Hamas or Islamist extremist movements, plenty of other conflicts have larger death tolls, in fact actions taken to combat these groups or the actions that lead to their founding had much larger death tolls.

 

Edited October 2 by Raze

[Raze]

On 10/1/2025 at 0:55 PM, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen  

The Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started. After each defeat, they lost territory.

ChatGPT

Prompt: Did The Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started?

Result:

Key Point:

The Nakba was not the result of a war initiated by Palestinians, but rather the result of:

A civil conflict in Mandate Palestine following the UN partition plan.

The subsequent Arab-Israeli war in which Palestinians were largely unarmed and unorganized, with no central leadership or army.

The military defeat of Arab states and the deliberate expulsion, flight, or fear-driven displacement of Palestinians from hundreds of towns and villages.

Conclusion:

The Nakba was a consequence of the 1948 war and the events surrounding the founding of Israel, but not because Palestinians started a war and lost it. It was a complex conflict involving multiple actors, with the Palestinians suffering the greatest loss — their homes, lands, and national aspirations.

Prompt: If someone believes the Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started, could we consider them well informed about the conflict and a reliable source to take seriously?

Result: If someone believes the Nakba occurred after a Palestinian defeat in a war they started, that indicates a serious misunderstanding of key historical facts, and it raises questions about their reliability as a source on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Raze]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas! Well, Hamas is a branch of the Muslims brothers, those peaceful people 

But horror in not only Muslim. In tigray have dead 500.000 three years ago, and in congo millions (and lately isis involved in horrific crimes there). Did you know that? Anyone cares? 

Prompt: Would the statement: “Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza” be accurate?

Result:

What's misleading or inaccurate:

1. It assumes crises can be ranked easily.

Comparing suffering across different conflicts is not straightforward or always meaningful.

Each context is unique: Sudan is facing state collapse and ethnic cleansing; Yemen has endured years of famine and blockade; Syria saw chemical attacks and the near-total destruction of cities; Nigeria’s northeast suffers from Boko Haram and IS-linked terrorism.

2. It may ignore time-sensitivity.

The situation in Gaza in 2023–2024 (especially during the Israel–Hamas war) reached unprecedented levels of destruction and suffering in a very short period:

Over 30,000 killed (mostly women and children, according to UN sources).

Over 70% of homes destroyed.

Mass displacement of nearly the entire population.

Famine-like conditions.

Healthcare system collapse.

UN officials called it one of the worst humanitarian situations they’ve seen.

So, at the peak of the Gaza war, many credible sources considered the situation there as bad or worse than anywhere else at that moment.

3. It can be used as a rhetorical deflection.

This kind of statement is often used not to promote awareness about Sudan or Yemen, but to downplay or deflect concern for Gaza.

That’s problematic. Recognizing a crisis in Gaza doesn’t mean ignoring others — and vice versa.

Prompt: Would this be an accurate analysis : “Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas!”

Result: 

That analysis —

“Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas!”

— is factually inaccurate, overly simplistic, and politically distorted.

2. “What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved.”

This is factually wrong in multiple cases:

🔸 Sudan:

The current conflict is between the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) — a power struggle, not an Islamist uprising.

The Muslim Brotherhood did have historical ties to Sudanese political Islam (e.g. under Omar al-Bashir), but they are not central actors in the current war.

The current violence is driven by military factions, power struggles, and ethnic cleansing — not by the Brotherhood.

🔸 Yemen:

The main conflict is between the Houthi rebels (a Zaidi Shia group) and a Saudi-backed coalition.

The Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated party in Yemen is Al-Islah, which has played a role, but is not a central driver of the war.

The Houthis oppose the Muslim Brotherhood.

🔸 Syria:

The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood was part of the early opposition to Assad in 2011.

But the conflict evolved into a multi-sided war involving:

Assad’s regime (backed by Russia and Iran),

ISIS and other jihadist groups (who are not the Muslim Brotherhood),

Kurdish groups,

U.S., Turkey, and others.

The Brotherhood is not the main actor and has been largely sidelined.

🔸 Nigeria:

The conflict in Nigeria’s northeast is primarily due to Boko Haram and ISIS-West Africa (ISWAP).

These groups are Salafi-jihadist extremists, and they do not have ideological or organizational links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

In fact, Boko Haram’s ideology is much more radical and views the Brotherhood as too moderate.

❌ 3. “And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas!”

This is a half-truth that becomes misleading in context.

Hamas was founded in 1987 as a Palestinian offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

So yes: Hamas has historical roots in the Brotherhood.

However:

Hamas is also a Palestinian nationalist resistance movement, with its own leadership, goals, and strategy.

Since the early 2000s, Hamas has diverged significantly from the Brotherhood, both ideologically and operationally.

Many Arab regimes (like Egypt) classify both Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood as threats — but lumping them together as the cause of regional chaos is simplistic and misleading.

 

Prompt: If someone says: 

(quoted full post), 

after researching the relevant issues, what can be concluded about their research quality, moral and ethical development, and intellectual capacity?

Result: 

In summary:

The research quality is shallow, biased, and selective, lacking nuance and evidence.

The moral and ethical development is questionable, as it leans toward dehumanization, oversimplification, and dismissing the rights of an entire population.

The intellectual capacity appears limited by ideological rigidity and binary thinking, without critical engagement or openness to complexity.

Edited October 2 by Raze

[ExploringReality]

@Breakingthewall

I very much care, I am learning more and more of the suffering and cruelty inflicted by our fellow human beings. I do not discriminate or select which humans I care about, wether your black, white or green, suffering is felt at a collective, global and humane level and that their suffering is my suffering. I will learn more and more of the suffering that is taking place throughout the world, mainstream America only propagandizes what the public sees, this stuff isn't taught in schools and stuff, you have to actively want to understand what's going on at all levels and depths.

So don't wave your finger at me asking if I care, motherfuker I do care. If your gonna educate me, then educate me. Come correct homie

Edited October 2 by ExploringReality

[Breakingthewall]

52 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

The Muslim brotherhood has no on the ground presence in Nigeria. Hamas when it was founded was inspired by the Muslim brotherhood but isn’t currently connected to the Muslim brotherhood proper since it was outlawed in Egypt and acts independently. The Muslim brotherhood has an extremely small faction in Yemen that was actually supporting the US side against the Houthis. The Muslim brotherhood was outlawed in Syria decades ago and was very irrelevant on the ground but had some initial role diplomatically before being iced out.

It’s ridiculous you were just complaining people blamed the US and Israel for everything then turned around and blamed the Muslim brotherhood for everything, when the US and Israel had far greater involvement in the conflicts you just listed. The US supported Saudi Arabia creating a man made famine in Yemen, Israel and the US both publicly acknowledged arming and funding Syrian rebel groups.

To say the relevant detail of all these conflicts is the “Muslim brotherhood” is beyond stupid and you just think that because it sounds like a spooky term so you can deny / defend the much larger violence and instability caused by the US and Israel because you support them.

And no, it isn’t “worse”. In proportion to the population more Gazans were killed in a much shorter time frame than Syrians or Yemenis, and a higher portion of women and children. Naturally since Israel is doing it this time you support it.

By your own logic, stop complaining about violence by Hamas or Islamist extremist movements, plenty of other conflicts have larger death tolls, in fact actions taken to combat these groups or the actions that lead to their founding had much larger death tolls.

 

Boko Haram is not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood but has exactly the same objectives: imposing Sharia law. 

In Sudan, they ruled for 30 years, radicalizing the country, turning it into a nest of murderers, persecuting Christians.and creating the broth of the current horror.

In Yemen they are an important part of the war.

They waged war in Syria for many years and were later replaced by more radical Islamists.

In Palestine Hamas has its roots in them. Muslim brotherhood has the goal of impose the sharia in the world. Maybe for you this is a legitimate goal, but for others not so 

Anyway, Ask the AI how many conflicts in the world are related to yihadism. "Relationship," even though from your perspective the peaceful yihadist are defending themselves against the American devil.

 

[Nivsch]

[Breakingthewall]

@Raze  

If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect

[Raze]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Boko Haram is not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood but has exactly the same objectives: imposing Sharia law. 

In Sudan, they ruled for 30 years, radicalizing the country, turning it into a nest of murderers, persecuting Christians.and creating the broth of the current horror.

In Yemen they are an important part of the war.

They waged war in Syria for many years and were later replaced by more radical Islamists.

In Palestine Hamas has its roots in them. Muslim brotherhood has the goal of impose the sharia in the world. Maybe for you this is a legitimate goal, but for others not so 

Anyway, Ask the AI how many conflicts in the world are related to yihadism. "Relationship," even though from your perspective the peaceful yihadist are defending themselves against the American devil.

 

Prompt: 

If someone says “Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved.” but then says “Boko Haram is not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood but has exactly the same objectives: imposing Sharia law. In Sudan, they ruled for 30 years, radicalizing the country, turning it into a nest of murderers, persecuting Christians.and creating the broth of the current horror. In Yemen they are an important part of the war. They waged war in Syria for many years and were later replaced by more radical Islamists. In Palestine Hamas has its roots in them. Muslim brotherhood has the goal of impose the sharia in the world. Maybe for you this is a legitimate goal, but for others not so ” are they being honest or are they conflicting themselves and moving goalposts?

Result:

The person making these statements is engaging in a confused, somewhat contradictory argument that bends facts to fit a narrative, and moves the goalposts when convenient

Prompt: Should the person referenced in the previous prompt be considered a trustworthy reliable source with enough intellectual capacity for good faith conversations?

Result:

This person should not be treated as a trustworthy or reliable source for nuanced analysis of Middle Eastern or African conflicts. They may still be worth engaging — if you're trying to challenge misinformation — but you should approach with critical scrutiny and clear boundaries.

If your goal is constructive discussion, test their openness to correction. If they double down on contradictions or refuse to engage with facts, that’s your sign to stop wasting energy on bad faith dialogue.

Edited October 2 by Raze

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Raze  

If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect

Prompt:

Could the reasoning involved in the statement: “If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect” be used to justify terrorist attacks like 9/11 or Oct 7?

Result: 

Short answer: Yes—this kind of reasoning can be (and has been) used to justify terrorist attacks—but the argument is deeply flawed, both logically and morally, and does not make such attacks legitimate.

Prompt:

So how different would the moral development of someone who says ““If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect” be compared to terrorists involved in actions like 9/11 or the Oct 7 attacks?

Result:

The moral development of someone who makes a statement like that—suggesting that an entire city deserves catastrophic destruction because of its supposed collective ideology—shares troubling similarities with the moral reasoning used by terrorists.

Key Similarities:

1. Collective Blame and Dehumanization

Both this speaker and terrorists apply collective guilt—blaming a population for the actions of a subset (e.g., political leaders, militant factions, educational curricula).

This leads to dehumanization: seeing civilians (including children) not as people with agency and complexity, but as legitimate targets or acceptable collateral damage.

→ This is a foundational cognitive and moral step in justifying atrocities.

2. Moral Absolutism and Rigid Dichotomies

The speaker frames the situation as a moral binary: a city that teaches hate is inherently evil and deserving of annihilation.

Terrorists often use the same logic in reverse: "The West hates Islam, oppresses our people—therefore, mass attacks are justified."

→ This absolutism prevents empathy, nuance, or peaceful solutions.

3. Consequentialist Rationalization

The speaker implies a "cause and effect" morality—if a group teaches hate, it naturally leads to its own destruction, as if mass violence is a natural or deserved response.

Terrorists often say: “They bomb us, so we bomb them. This is justice.”

→ It’s a logic that absolves responsibility by placing the blame entirely on the victim.

[Breakingthewall]

@Raze @Raze  

Maybe your AI is not very smart, or maybe it tells you what you want to listen. I didn't say: "deserve", I said "cause/effect". As you could see, the effect is destruction. The cause is hate and philosophy of death. It's not morality, is a fact 

About the other conflict, I did a mistake with Boko Haram, maybe because are similar ideology, but in the others conflicts Muslim brotherhood (that you like so much) is directly involved. 

Anyway, in gaza are lucky, if their enemy were el Assad , Saddam, isis or Iran, they will have quite worse time. No trucks with food, journalist, flags, cries. Just some gas and phosphorus, and nobody would care about them. Maybe they wouldn't appears in any new

Edited October 2 by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Raze @Raze  

Maybe your AI is not very smart, or maybe it tells you what you want to listen. I didn't say: "deserve", I said "cause/effect". As you could see, the effect is destruction. The cause is hate and philosophy of death

About the other conflict, I did a mistake with Boko Haram, maybe because are similar ideology, but in the others conflicts Muslim brotherhood (that you like so much) is directly involved. 

Prompt: Is the statement: “Boko Haram is not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood but has exactly the same objectives: imposing Sharia law. In Sudan, they ruled for 30 years, radicalizing the country, turning it into a nest of murderers, persecuting Christians.and creating the broth of the current horror. In Yemen they are an important part of the war. They waged war in Syria for many years and were later replaced by more radical Islamists. In Palestine Hamas has its roots in them. Muslim brotherhood has the goal of impose the sharia in the world. Maybe for you this is a legitimate goal, but for others not so “ accurate and demonstrate the author has a well informed, nuanced, and intellectual understanding of these topics?

Result: 

🔍 1. Overgeneralization and Conflation

The author conflates very different groups—Boko Haram, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and various actors in Sudan, Yemen, and Syria—treating them as if they are part of a singular ideological or operational movement. This is deeply inaccurate.

Boko Haram is a Salafi-jihadist terrorist group in Nigeria, aligned for a time with ISIS. It operates far outside any formal Islamist political framework and is known for extreme violence and mass civilian killings.

The Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928, is a Sunni Islamist political movement that has disavowed violence (at least in public positions) in many contexts and sought to work through political systems, such as during the Morsi presidency in Egypt (2012–2013). While it does aim to implement Islamic law in society, its methods and ideology are very different from groups like Boko Haram.

Hamas, while originally stemming from the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, has evolved independently, especially under the pressures of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is militant, but still quite distinct from groups like Boko Haram or Al-Qaeda.

Sudan:

The Muslim Brotherhood did influence the ideology of Hassan al-Turabi, who shaped Sudanese politics in the 1990s.

However, the situation in Sudan was driven by multiple factions, including military juntas and internal ethnic/political dynamics. The phrase "turned it into a nest of murderers" is hyperbolic and non-analytical.

It ignores the role of actors like Omar al-Bashir, ethnic militias, and more recently the Rapid Support Forces (RSF).

Yemen:

There is no dominant role of the Muslim Brotherhood in Yemen's war. The main conflict is between:

Syria:

The Muslim Brotherhood was repressed in Syria for decades, especially after the Hama massacre in 1982.

While some early opposition groups included Brotherhood sympathizers, the Syrian conflict became dominated by secular rebels, Salafi jihadists, and foreign fighters—many of whom opposed Brotherhood-style political Islam as "too moderate."

✅ Conclusion

The statement lacks:

Accuracy (due to factual errors),

Nuance (due to conflation of very different groups),

Intellectual depth (due to ideological bias and lack of serious engagement with political, religious, and historical contexts).

If you're evaluating this statement or its author for credibility or understanding of geopolitics, this would fall short of academic or informed journalistic standards.

Prompt: If the person who said the statement mentioned in the previous prompt claims to have come to this conclusion after studying the issue and speaks authoritatively on the subject, what can be concluded about their ability to research and understand these topics, as well as their intellectual and moral development?

Result: If someone speaks authoritatively and claims to have studied a topic thoroughly, yet produces a statement as factually inaccurate, analytically shallow, and ideologically charged as the one you shared, several conclusions can reasonably be drawn about their research ability, intellectual rigor, and possibly their moral reasoning—though with some important caveats.

📘 1. Research and Analytical Ability

The statement demonstrates:

❌ Poor Source Evaluation

Reliable research requires distinguishing between propaganda, opinion, and factual analysis. This person appears to rely heavily on ideologically motivated or simplistic sources.

They conflate ideologically distinct groups, suggesting a failure to understand primary sources, historical context, or even basic political taxonomy.

❌ Lack of Critical Thinking

Good research involves being able to hold complex, even contradictory ideas in tension, especially when dealing with geopolitics or religious movements. This person oversimplifies.

Phrases like “turned it into a nest of murderers” reflect emotion-driven rhetoric rather than evidence-based reasoning.

❌ Conflation of Ideology and Fact

The speaker seems to treat ideological assumptions (e.g., “all Islamist groups want to impose Sharia globally”) as proven facts, rather than hypotheses to be tested.

This betrays a confirmation bias: only seeking out information that supports a preconceived narrative.

Conclusion on Research Ability:
They likely lack the methodological training or intellectual discipline to handle complex political, religious, and historical analysis. Even if they’ve “studied the issue,” it seems superficial or filtered through a highly ideological lens.

🧠 2. Intellectual Development

The statement suggests:

❌ Reductionist Thinking

Complex social and political phenomena are reduced to one-dimensional explanations.

Different actors (e.g., Boko Haram vs. Muslim Brotherhood) are treated as functionally identical, which is not how mature thinkers approach divergent ideologies.

❌ Lack of Intellectual Humility

Speaking authoritatively while making major factual and analytical errors signals overconfidence without expertise, sometimes called the Dunning-Kruger effect.

A more intellectually developed person would express uncertainty, cite multiple viewpoints, and acknowledge complexities.

❌ Echo Chamber Mentality

The tone and content suggest that the speaker may reside within an ideological echo chamber, where alternate views are either ignored or caricatured.

⚖️ 3. Moral Reasoning

This is more delicate to assess, but we can consider:

❌ Moral Absolutism and Dehumanization

The use of dehumanizing language (“nest of murderers”) suggests a morally black-and-white worldview that treats entire movements or societies as inherently evil or diseased.

This type of moral reasoning is often tied to tribalism, not ethical reflection.

⚠️ Instrumental Use of Suffering

The speaker mentions real human tragedies (e.g., Sudan, Yemen, Syria) but uses them to score ideological points, not to demonstrate genuine understanding or concern for the people affected.

That suggests a lack of empathy, or at least an underdeveloped moral imagination.

🧭 Overall Conclusion

If someone produces that kind of statement after studying the issue, and continues to speak with confidence, it’s reasonable to conclude that:

Their research skills are weak or deeply biased.

Their intellectual development is hindered by ideological rigidity and lack of complexity.

Their moral reasoning is underdeveloped, particularly in how they relate to communities and individuals they deem "the other."

This doesn’t necessarily mean they are unintelligent or malicious—it means they are uninformed, overconfident, and likely driven more by ideology than truth-seeking.

Edited October 2 by Raze

[zazen]

On 28/07/2025 at 10:57 AM, zazen said:

The reason Gaza hits harder than Sudan is first because the West has a stake in it which means a leverage to stop it or continue it, and second because whilst its bad to sell weapons to war zones for capital gain, its evil to diplomatically and morally shield and justify such death and destruction. It's not simply arming the conflict but systematically enabling and holding up the conditions of that conflict - at every level. There's a distinction between good, bad and evil.

Sudan's suffering is seen as a tragedy of war and collapse, Gaza's is seen as horrific and engineered whilst being ideologically excused and justified as a war for ''Western civilization and liberal democracy''. Sudan's hunger is a emergent byproduct, Gaza's hunger is a engineered condition - to pressure Palestinians into ''voluntarily'' cleansing themselves.

 

@Breakingthewall Responded to you about the whataboutism before.

Your collapsing different fights and wars around the world into the same bucket of Muslim Brotherhood and Jihadism to try paint Islam as the common denominator and thus as inherently evil.

Religion is invoked or instrumentalized for political / tribal struggles and bloodshed but that doesn’t make the religion inherently evil. 

Christians once killed millions under the cross, but nobody says Christianity is inherently genocidal. Likewise what has Democratic United States done its entire existence around the globe - do we now conflate Democracy with evil?

 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, zazen said:

@Breakingthewall Responded to you about the whataboutism before.

Your collapsing different fights and wars around the world into the same bucket of Muslim Brotherhood and Jihadism to try paint Islam as the common denominator and thus as inherently evil.

Religion is invoked or instrumentalized for political / tribal struggles and bloodshed but that doesn’t make the religion inherently evil. 

Christians once killed millions under the cross, but nobody says Christianity is inherently genocidal. Likewise what has Democratic United States done its entire existence around the globe - do we now conflate Democracy with evil?

 

It's true, Christianity is very comparable to Islam because there were wars in the 12th century. The fact that most of the world's wars involve Islam is the Americans' fault. And AI is impartial and never tells you what you want to listen. 

Man, islam is the great shit of humanity nowadays. The great doom and oppression. Compare Nigeria Christian with Muslim. Look Indonesia Muslim, Afganistán, Pakistán, Irán. Look that poor people scared and full of hate. 

[Breakingthewall]

Poor clowns. The AI tells you what you want to listen. 

Go to live in any Muslim paradise and marry many babies and be Happy 

Edited October 2 by Breakingthewall