Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, it's much better to be with a woman who's with you because she believes it's her obligation, otherwise she'll go to hell. Western society is full of shit because it's an adult society that confronts itself openly, without an instruction manual, making mistakes and learning from them. Muslim society is a society of terrified children who only know how to do one thing: obey. Obedient children with false souls terrified about don't reach the standard. No artist, no scientist, no writers, no nothing, just obedient Muslims. Ah, and don't forget say thanks to west , without them Muslims would be happy in the X century, without medicines, technology and electricity ,just praying a lot obediently , terrified about a man, Muhammad, that is their lord, and you their slaves.

Btw I hope your parents choose a good woman for you. But be careful, in many Muslim countries the most requested surgery is hymen reconstruction. Things sometimes are different that they seem. 

Show me the statistics of all that you claim. You are basically saying the Muslim PEOPLE have no agency because they live in a collective vs Individual society. What about all the collective societies of the world? Everyone is a slave except the west yet the west is the only place that has perfected evil like genocide. Obviously the west are the savages 

Your society is just saying all these things about Muslims so you never escape the prison you are in. If you knew how good of lives they have you would never forgive those who lied to you and lead you down the wrong path

Sorry that you have to choose between a woman with a 99 body count vs a woman with a 100 body count for the future mother and grandmother of your lineage. Really, I hate that you guys have to go through that. Of course you are angry it makes perfect sense. I would hate that so much I would probably do something very terrible as a reaction

[Twentyfirst]

 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Sorry that you have to choose between a woman with a 99 body count vs a woman with a 100 body count for the future mother and grandmother of your lineage. Really, I hate that you guys have to go through that. Of course you are angry it makes perfect sense. I would hate that so much I would probably do something very terrible as a reaction

about choosing a woman to perpetuate my lineage, I don't care how many men she's slept with, but rather her true values, her openness to life, and her dedication to a real project. If you want a lineage with drive, you need a true and strong woman, not a poor submissive woman forced by her father to marry. What lineage will emerge from there? One of slaves.

Edited Saturday at 03:03 PM by Breakingthewall

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

about choosing a woman to perpetuate my lineage, I don't care how many men she's slept with, but rather her true values, her openness to life, and her dedication to a real project. If you want a lineage with drive, you need a true and strong woman, not a poor submissive woman forced by her father to marry. What lineage will emerge from there? One of slaves.

There is no forced marriage or slavery. Prove it

If you marry the town bicycle and want to go through a humiliation ritual then go right ahead. The Western world needs simps to marry the influx of new promiscuous women. But why do you have to call other cultures women oppressed? How does it help you 

Edited Saturday at 03:48 PM by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

If you marry the town bicycle and want to go through a humiliation

It's not the town bicycle, it's a woman who had another boyfriend before. I know that you are afraid about that, because you are not self confident. It comes from generations of insecure men, very obedient to Muhammad but deeply very scared. Then they need a virgin to feel safe. And then they marry one who fixed her hymen, it's quite cheap, like 200 US.

For example in Morocco, where are hundreds of thousands of prostitutes, all them use to do. Others just do anal and blow job to be a real virgin, and almost all Muslim men use prostitutes, and thousands and thousands of Saudis and Arabs in general go to Morocco to use those prostitutes, and they love treat them rude, as inferior beings while fucking them. All the Muslim are fake, pretending something, but being the opposite. They are pathetic. When a revolution of real men in the Muslim world? Or maybe they doesn't exist there? Just obedient scared good Muslims?

Edited Saturday at 04:10 PM by Breakingthewall

[Nivsch]

59% of Jews and 64% of Israelis prefer a Palestinian state over settling Gaza. When asked only on settling Gaza the support was smaller than in this survey.

Full post here:

https://x.com/afdirohak/status/1950976380478390783

" Good evening, because we’ve had enough — and this is the most important statistic you’ll read about the war.

Today I saw that Israel Hayom published a poll showing a “majority” supporting settlement in Gaza, and of course, ministers are back to talking about annexation — so it’s time to burst the bubble.

Let’s dive in a bit:
In January this year, Agam Labs, led by Dr. Nimrod Nir, conducted a comprehensive study on public opinion regarding the war. You might not know Nimrod, but your politicians do — he’s probably the most accurate pollster in Israel (and that’s not an exaggeration).

Just so you get the picture — most polls you see on TV and in the press (including the one published by Israel Hayom) include around 500 respondents, or just over 400 Jewish respondents. The survey I’m attaching below had over 4,500. That means a Jewish sample ten times larger than the standard poll (!)

And what did the survey find?

Not only do 70% of Jewish Israelis support a ceasefire that includes the return of the hostages (this stat isn’t in the attached image), but about 59% of Jews, when forced to choose, prefer the establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state under Arab states’ supervision over annexation and Jewish settlement in Gaza.

Naturally, when “Jewish settlement in Gaza” is presented as a separate question — and not as a binary choice against a Palestinian state — it gets even less support.

Again, this isn’t just about support for a hostage deal or a halt in fighting — that majority has existed for a while, and every report shows it’s only growing.
This is a clear public answer to the core dilemma of the “day after”: No to annexation, yes to a demilitarized Palestinian state with Arab oversight.

And you know what’s wild? This is just a survey of the Jewish public. Add in the Arab public — the vast majority of whom support these initiatives — and you get a very solid Israeli majority.

These numbers also translate into support for specific policy proposals.
In May of this year, when Trump was in Saudi Arabia and political initiatives were on the table, a survey with over 2,000 respondents (also available on the Agam Labs website) showed that 64% of the entire Israeli public (Jews and Arabs) supported implementing Trump’s plan: ceasefire, establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state, American security guarantees for Israel, and normalization with Saudi Arabia.

The truth is, if you only listened to the politicians (on the right and the left), you probably wouldn’t realize this is the public’s view.

The coalition enthusiastically supports annexation, but large parts of the opposition still hesitate to say what their solution is for the “day after” in Gaza — or what their political solution is at all.

And honestly — it’s a bit absurd.
Annexation supporters echo their stance as if an overwhelming majority is behind them, while many in the opposition are afraid to utter the words “Palestinian state,” as if it’s a demon that must stay in a bottle — despite the fact that Israeli public opinion clearly prefers this solution, assuming the right conditions (demilitarization, Arab partnership/supervision, etc.).

So what do we do?
We bust the lies, amplify the data and the truth, and don’t shy away from speaking our minds.

Good evening to the brave. "

Edited Saturday at 07:52 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

 

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not the town bicycle, it's a woman who had another boyfriend before. I know that you are afraid about that, because you are not self confident. It comes from generations of insecure men, very obedient to Muhammad but deeply very scared. Then they need a virgin to feel safe. And then they marry one who fixed her hymen, it's quite cheap, like 200 US.

For example in Morocco, where are hundreds of thousands of prostitutes, all them use to do. Others just do anal and blow job to be a real virgin, and almost all Muslim men use prostitutes, and thousands and thousands of Saudis and Arabs in general go to Morocco to use those prostitutes, and they love treat them rude, as inferior beings while fucking them. All the Muslim are fake, pretending something, but being the opposite. They are pathetic. When a revolution of real men in the Muslim world? Or maybe they doesn't exist there? Just obedient scared good Muslims?

There is no hookup culture. Obviously some people slip through the cracks

Why even bring up oppression to women in other cultures in a war thread while the people you support are committing genocide against women and children? It's like when westerners bring up muslim uyghurs when talking about how bad China is. First off you hate Chinese and you hate Muslims so why the fuck do you care about muslim uyghurs? You don't. It's just a cheap stance on morality you don't have. Don't preach about women's rights when your girlfriend is the town bicycle that everyone got for free and dogged her out as if she isn't even a human just a sex toy yet you have to pay for and treat with respect and don't preach about women's rights when the bombs you support are killing women

Edited Saturday at 08:21 PM by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Breakingthewall]

@Twentyfirst i don't support Israel. About the other topic, maybe you have too much imagination. 

[Twentyfirst]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Twentyfirst i don't support Israel. About the other topic, maybe you have too much imagination. 

You don't have any proof about your claims. Anybody in the world can log onto social media and see a million videos on gender issues in the west. The West has no clue what a woman is. Don't lecture about morality if you don't know it

[Rafael Thundercat]

A historical point. Remembering how the political lines and borders were artificialy drawn unregarded of ethinical and cultural limits. Or do we forgot about Transjordan, UK and France deals with tribe people and all that happened since WW1

 

Edited Sunday at 09:08 PM by Rafael Thundercat

[Raze]

On 8/2/2025 at 5:10 PM, Breakingthewall said:

@Twentyfirst i don't support Israel. About the other topic, maybe you have too much imagination. 

You were supporting them for months, openly called for them to destroy Iran, repeatedly justified their treatment of Palestinians, all while knowing they had killed tens of thousands of children.

It’s convenient you try to walk it all back now to maintain an image as a moral arbiter. The reality is you’re morally inferior to all the support for immoral actions by Muslims you complain about. At least they didn’t manufacture consent for genocide. 

Rather than use it as a learning opportunity, you do a walk back and pretend it didn’t happen, while deflecting back to complain about other things. This is why your moral development remains so low, you don’t learn, you need to maintain a image as morally superior even when you’ve revealed yourself as morally lesser. 

Edited Monday at 01:09 AM by Raze

[BlueOak]

Given we are on the verge of a major world war, this was israel's most likely method of avoiding conflict on their own soil. 

I loathed the approach, but i've accepted it.

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Raze said:

You were supporting them for months, openly called for them to destroy Iran, repeatedly justified their treatment of Palestinians, all while knowing they had killed tens of thousands of children.

It’s convenient you try to walk it all back now to maintain an image as a moral arbiter. The reality is you’re morally inferior to all the support for immoral actions by Muslims you complain about. At least they didn’t manufacture consent for genocide. 

Rather than use it as a learning opportunity, you do a walk back and pretend it didn’t happen, while deflecting back to complain about other things. This is why your moral development remains so low, you don’t learn, you need to maintain a image as morally superior even when you’ve revealed yourself as morally lesser. 

No you didn't understand.

For you, everything is very simple because you're on the red team and against the green team. I'm not on either team, so based on the information I have, I try to reach an objective point, which isn't so easy. So, I started reading about the matter, and it wasn't so clear to me. I thought that while the Palestinians had a right to their land, they had been attacking Israel for 100 years, and this latest attack demonstrated their absolute lack of intention to coexist, so Israel had the right to defense.

But seeing increasingly clear what the Zionist ideology is, and seeing that it's almost certain the Zionists allowed the attack with the idea of destroying Gaza, and seeing his behavior in the invasion, now I think Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a nation in that land.  I know it's very alien to you, because for you everything is easy. Since you're Muslim, you support Muslims. But in my case, it's different. I don't identify with any team.

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Zionists allowed the attack with the idea of destroying Gaza, and seeing his behavior in the invasion, now I think Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a nation in that land.

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

Edited Monday at 07:55 PM by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

33 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

Well but seems that they have fairly widespread support. I understand that Israelis feel threatened, but it seems increasingly clear that the government has sought conflict and massacre. The problem is that it's already a fact, and with it, they've lost legitimacy in the eyes of most of the world.

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No you didn't understand.

For you, everything is very simple because you're on the red team and against the green team. I'm not on either team, so based on the information I have, I try to reach an objective point, which isn't so easy. So, I started reading about the matter, and it wasn't so clear to me. I thought that while the Palestinians had a right to their land, they had been attacking Israel for 100 years, and this latest attack demonstrated their absolute lack of intention to coexist, so Israel had the right to defense.

But seeing increasingly clear what the Zionist ideology is, and seeing that it's almost certain the Zionists allowed the attack with the idea of destroying Gaza, and seeing his behavior in the invasion, now I think Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a nation in that land.  I know it's very alien to you, because for you everything is easy. Since you're Muslim, you support Muslims. But in my case, it's different. I don't identify with any team.

Actually, you do identify with a team. The team is maintaining your self perception of moral superiority while also fulfilling your bloodlust.

The reason why you run to nuance and not identifying with a team, is because that’s a necessary excuse to try and defend war crimes, the reality is morally, there isn’t nuance, you can’t somehow complain about random third world crimes while defending apartheid and genocide because of nuance, that just demonstrates no moral consistency. You have never applied your “nuance” once to the side you don’t like. It’s just that now the war crimes in israel are so obvious and public opinions tide is turning you need to backtrack to maintain the perception you have some sort of moral consistency, you don’t.

The tell is you’ve now for the third time accused me of being Muslim despite having no evidence and me telling you I’m not three times. You can’t comprehend that someone could be against war crimes effecting Muslims because you see them as “other, so you assume anyone who doesn’t manufacture consent for said crimes and excuse them must have the same bias as you but be on the other team.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

They are a sector inside Israel, like the Evangelicals are in the US. They do not represent the entire Israel just like Evangelicans do not represent the US.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000
 

 

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240131-72-of-israelis-say-aid-deliveries-to-gaza-must-be-stopped-survey-finds/

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72% of Israelis say aid deliveries to Gaza must be stopped, survey finds

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-855689
 

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Majority of Israelis unconcerned by humanitarian aid situation in Gaza - poll

 

Edited Monday at 09:07 PM by Raze