Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Raze]

[Nivsch]

@Raze The title is misleading. Look at the detailed survey questions inside. Even according to them only 29% of the secular people want this and even them not out of ideology but from the trauma of oct7. Only 10% have an hard core ideology to settle in Gaza.

 

Edited August 2, 2025 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

On 7/27/2025 at 0:48 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, then as the massacre in Gaza is evil, it's ok widespread forced marriages and "honor" killings, and in short the absolute oppression of women. Strange logic, but if for you it works, good.

Isn't your grandma, mom, wife, sister, and daughter available to see naked on only fans for $4.99? And you're too weak and effeminate to stop them from destroying their lives? How many abortions have all the women in your family had? How many antidepressants are they on? How many guys have pumped and dumped them and left them crying in the gutter and feeling worthless? How many of them have destroyed their biology and fertility with birth control and IUD's? How many of them have STD's? How many of them have sacrificed their future family for a worthless degree that means nothing? How many of them go outside in public dressed in a thong and bra covered by a see through dress and looking like a sex toy? How many of them make themselves throw up just to stay think enough to be accepted? How many of them are divorced or unwed single mothers forced to do "favors" to keep the lights on?

Admit it. Every woman in your family is fucked in the head. Just like the American/Euro women. Just like you are

You are just envious that you will NEVER experience the beauty and pleasure of a REAL and PURE woman. You will get the shit end of the stick and a watered down diluted version of what a woman is. You will get a street walker and you will have to respect her lol. Real men don't respect the town bicycle let alone protect and provide for them. But this envy you have will make you sick. You can't stand to see a woman who isn't a walking sex toy. You are a sick freak and all of you Western "men" are eunuchs

Edited August 2, 2025 by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

True oppression of women

 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Isn't your grandma, mom, wife, sister, and daughter available to see naked on only fans for $4.99? And you're too weak and effeminate to stop them from destroying their lives? How many abortions have all the women in your family had? How many antidepressants are they on? How many guys have pumped and dumped them and left them crying in the gutter and feeling worthless? How many of them have destroyed their biology and fertility with birth control and IUD's? How many of them have STD's? How many of them have sacrificed their future family for a worthless degree that means nothing? How many of them go outside in public dressed in a thong and bra covered by a see through dress and looking like a sex toy? How many of them make themselves throw up just to stay think enough to be accepted? How many of them are divorced or unwed single mothers forced to do "favors" to keep the lights on?

Admit it. Every woman in your family is fucked in the head. Just like the American/Euro women. Just like you are

You are just envious that you will NEVER experience the beauty and pleasure of a REAL and PURE woman. You will get the shit end of the stick and a watered down diluted version of what a woman is. You will get a street walker and you will have to respect her lol. Real men don't respect the town bicycle let alone protect and provide for them. But this envy you have will make you sick. You can't stand to see a woman who isn't a walking sex toy. You are a sick freak and all of you Western "men" are eunuchs

Sure, it's much better to be with a woman who's with you because she believes it's her obligation, otherwise she'll go to hell. Western society is full of shit because it's an adult society that confronts itself openly, without an instruction manual, making mistakes and learning from them. Muslim society is a society of terrified children who only know how to do one thing: obey. Obedient children with false souls terrified about don't reach the standard. No artist, no scientist, no writers, no nothing, just obedient Muslims. Ah, and don't forget say thanks to west , without them Muslims would be happy in the X century, without medicines, technology and electricity ,just praying a lot obediently , terrified about a man, Muhammad, that is their lord, and you their slaves.

Btw I hope your parents choose a good woman for you. But be careful, in many Muslim countries the most requested surgery is hymen reconstruction. Things sometimes are different that they seem. 

Edited August 2, 2025 by Breakingthewall

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, it's much better to be with a woman who's with you because she believes it's her obligation, otherwise she'll go to hell. Western society is full of shit because it's an adult society that confronts itself openly, without an instruction manual, making mistakes and learning from them. Muslim society is a society of terrified children who only know how to do one thing: obey. Obedient children with false souls terrified about don't reach the standard. No artist, no scientist, no writers, no nothing, just obedient Muslims. Ah, and don't forget say thanks to west , without them Muslims would be happy in the X century, without medicines, technology and electricity ,just praying a lot obediently , terrified about a man, Muhammad, that is their lord, and you their slaves.

Btw I hope your parents choose a good woman for you. But be careful, in many Muslim countries the most requested surgery is hymen reconstruction. Things sometimes are different that they seem. 

Show me the statistics of all that you claim. You are basically saying the Muslim PEOPLE have no agency because they live in a collective vs Individual society. What about all the collective societies of the world? Everyone is a slave except the west yet the west is the only place that has perfected evil like genocide. Obviously the west are the savages 

Your society is just saying all these things about Muslims so you never escape the prison you are in. If you knew how good of lives they have you would never forgive those who lied to you and lead you down the wrong path

Sorry that you have to choose between a woman with a 99 body count vs a woman with a 100 body count for the future mother and grandmother of your lineage. Really, I hate that you guys have to go through that. Of course you are angry it makes perfect sense. I would hate that so much I would probably do something very terrible as a reaction

[Twentyfirst]

 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Sorry that you have to choose between a woman with a 99 body count vs a woman with a 100 body count for the future mother and grandmother of your lineage. Really, I hate that you guys have to go through that. Of course you are angry it makes perfect sense. I would hate that so much I would probably do something very terrible as a reaction

about choosing a woman to perpetuate my lineage, I don't care how many men she's slept with, but rather her true values, her openness to life, and her dedication to a real project. If you want a lineage with drive, you need a true and strong woman, not a poor submissive woman forced by her father to marry. What lineage will emerge from there? One of slaves.

Edited August 2, 2025 by Breakingthewall

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

about choosing a woman to perpetuate my lineage, I don't care how many men she's slept with, but rather her true values, her openness to life, and her dedication to a real project. If you want a lineage with drive, you need a true and strong woman, not a poor submissive woman forced by her father to marry. What lineage will emerge from there? One of slaves.

There is no forced marriage or slavery. Prove it

If you marry the town bicycle and want to go through a humiliation ritual then go right ahead. The Western world needs simps to marry the influx of new promiscuous women. But why do you have to call other cultures women oppressed? How does it help you 

Edited August 2, 2025 by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

If you marry the town bicycle and want to go through a humiliation

It's not the town bicycle, it's a woman who had another boyfriend before. I know that you are afraid about that, because you are not self confident. It comes from generations of insecure men, very obedient to Muhammad but deeply very scared. Then they need a virgin to feel safe. And then they marry one who fixed her hymen, it's quite cheap, like 200 US.

For example in Morocco, where are hundreds of thousands of prostitutes, all them use to do. Others just do anal and blow job to be a real virgin, and almost all Muslim men use prostitutes, and thousands and thousands of Saudis and Arabs in general go to Morocco to use those prostitutes, and they love treat them rude, as inferior beings while fucking them. All the Muslim are fake, pretending something, but being the opposite. They are pathetic. When a revolution of real men in the Muslim world? Or maybe they doesn't exist there? Just obedient scared good Muslims?

Edited August 2, 2025 by Breakingthewall

[Nivsch]

59% of Jews and 64% of Israelis prefer a Palestinian state over settling Gaza. When asked only on settling Gaza the support was smaller than in this survey.

Full post here:

https://x.com/afdirohak/status/1950976380478390783

" Good evening, because we’ve had enough — and this is the most important statistic you’ll read about the war.

Today I saw that Israel Hayom published a poll showing a “majority” supporting settlement in Gaza, and of course, ministers are back to talking about annexation — so it’s time to burst the bubble.

Let’s dive in a bit:
In January this year, Agam Labs, led by Dr. Nimrod Nir, conducted a comprehensive study on public opinion regarding the war. You might not know Nimrod, but your politicians do — he’s probably the most accurate pollster in Israel (and that’s not an exaggeration).

Just so you get the picture — most polls you see on TV and in the press (including the one published by Israel Hayom) include around 500 respondents, or just over 400 Jewish respondents. The survey I’m attaching below had over 4,500. That means a Jewish sample ten times larger than the standard poll (!)

And what did the survey find?

Not only do 70% of Jewish Israelis support a ceasefire that includes the return of the hostages (this stat isn’t in the attached image), but about 59% of Jews, when forced to choose, prefer the establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state under Arab states’ supervision over annexation and Jewish settlement in Gaza.

Naturally, when “Jewish settlement in Gaza” is presented as a separate question — and not as a binary choice against a Palestinian state — it gets even less support.

Again, this isn’t just about support for a hostage deal or a halt in fighting — that majority has existed for a while, and every report shows it’s only growing.
This is a clear public answer to the core dilemma of the “day after”: No to annexation, yes to a demilitarized Palestinian state with Arab oversight.

And you know what’s wild? This is just a survey of the Jewish public. Add in the Arab public — the vast majority of whom support these initiatives — and you get a very solid Israeli majority.

These numbers also translate into support for specific policy proposals.
In May of this year, when Trump was in Saudi Arabia and political initiatives were on the table, a survey with over 2,000 respondents (also available on the Agam Labs website) showed that 64% of the entire Israeli public (Jews and Arabs) supported implementing Trump’s plan: ceasefire, establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state, American security guarantees for Israel, and normalization with Saudi Arabia.

The truth is, if you only listened to the politicians (on the right and the left), you probably wouldn’t realize this is the public’s view.

The coalition enthusiastically supports annexation, but large parts of the opposition still hesitate to say what their solution is for the “day after” in Gaza — or what their political solution is at all.

And honestly — it’s a bit absurd.
Annexation supporters echo their stance as if an overwhelming majority is behind them, while many in the opposition are afraid to utter the words “Palestinian state,” as if it’s a demon that must stay in a bottle — despite the fact that Israeli public opinion clearly prefers this solution, assuming the right conditions (demilitarization, Arab partnership/supervision, etc.).

So what do we do?
We bust the lies, amplify the data and the truth, and don’t shy away from speaking our minds.

Good evening to the brave. "

Edited August 2, 2025 by Nivsch

[Raze]

 

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not the town bicycle, it's a woman who had another boyfriend before. I know that you are afraid about that, because you are not self confident. It comes from generations of insecure men, very obedient to Muhammad but deeply very scared. Then they need a virgin to feel safe. And then they marry one who fixed her hymen, it's quite cheap, like 200 US.

For example in Morocco, where are hundreds of thousands of prostitutes, all them use to do. Others just do anal and blow job to be a real virgin, and almost all Muslim men use prostitutes, and thousands and thousands of Saudis and Arabs in general go to Morocco to use those prostitutes, and they love treat them rude, as inferior beings while fucking them. All the Muslim are fake, pretending something, but being the opposite. They are pathetic. When a revolution of real men in the Muslim world? Or maybe they doesn't exist there? Just obedient scared good Muslims?

There is no hookup culture. Obviously some people slip through the cracks

Why even bring up oppression to women in other cultures in a war thread while the people you support are committing genocide against women and children? It's like when westerners bring up muslim uyghurs when talking about how bad China is. First off you hate Chinese and you hate Muslims so why the fuck do you care about muslim uyghurs? You don't. It's just a cheap stance on morality you don't have. Don't preach about women's rights when your girlfriend is the town bicycle that everyone got for free and dogged her out as if she isn't even a human just a sex toy yet you have to pay for and treat with respect and don't preach about women's rights when the bombs you support are killing women

Edited August 2, 2025 by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Breakingthewall]

@Twentyfirst i don't support Israel. About the other topic, maybe you have too much imagination. 

[Twentyfirst]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Twentyfirst i don't support Israel. About the other topic, maybe you have too much imagination. 

You don't have any proof about your claims. Anybody in the world can log onto social media and see a million videos on gender issues in the west. The West has no clue what a woman is. Don't lecture about morality if you don't know it

[Rafael Thundercat]

A historical point. Remembering how the political lines and borders were artificialy drawn unregarded of ethinical and cultural limits. Or do we forgot about Transjordan, UK and France deals with tribe people and all that happened since WW1

 

Edited August 3, 2025 by Rafael Thundercat

[Raze]

On 8/2/2025 at 5:10 PM, Breakingthewall said:

@Twentyfirst i don't support Israel. About the other topic, maybe you have too much imagination. 

You were supporting them for months, openly called for them to destroy Iran, repeatedly justified their treatment of Palestinians, all while knowing they had killed tens of thousands of children.

It’s convenient you try to walk it all back now to maintain an image as a moral arbiter. The reality is you’re morally inferior to all the support for immoral actions by Muslims you complain about. At least they didn’t manufacture consent for genocide. 

Rather than use it as a learning opportunity, you do a walk back and pretend it didn’t happen, while deflecting back to complain about other things. This is why your moral development remains so low, you don’t learn, you need to maintain a image as morally superior even when you’ve revealed yourself as morally lesser. 

Edited August 4, 2025 by Raze

[BlueOak]

Given we are on the verge of a major world war, this was israel's most likely method of avoiding conflict on their own soil. 

I loathed the approach, but i've accepted it.