Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

50 minutes ago, Raze said:

And that’s their problem, pay attention to what you are involved with, you have been holding water for Israel’s massacre of 19,000 children and your government is arming them, sit with that before you judge others.

Ok, then as the massacre in Gaza is evil, it's ok widespread forced marriages and "honor" killings, and in short the absolute oppression of women. Strange logic, but if for you it works, good.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, then as the massacre in Gaza is evil, it's ok widespread forced marriages and "honor" killings, and in short the absolute oppression of women. Strange logic, but if for you it works, good.

Interesting, you made up something I didn’t say to avoid responding to the point I made. You have done this before. I conclude you know I’m right but are both too prideful to admit it, but also lack the self awareness to know weird red herrings just make you look unintelligent. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Interesting, you made up something I didn’t say to avoid responding to the point I made. You have done this before. I conclude you know I’m right but are both too prideful to admit it, but also lack the self awareness to know weird red herrings just make you look unintelligent. 

I don't know what you're talking about. I was talking about honor killings. It has no relationship with gaza, then I don't know why you said that. Regarding Gaza, I had some doubts before and thought the Israelis had the right to defend themselves, but now it seems obvious that they're criminal genocidaires and that Europe should take a firm stand against them. They're a shame to Western civilization, and I think that most of European governments are going to move in that direction. It wasn't clear at first, but it's becoming clearer.

[zazen]

[Nivsch]

[Raze]

[zazen]

On 7/25/2025 at 3:25 PM, Breakingthewall said:

I think you're exaggerating. All countries that have had power have been extremely evil. We'll see what happens when the Chinese take the lead. For now, they say they're absolutely pacifist, but in the Sudan war, much more terrible than the one in Gaza, they sell weapons to both sides, greatly increasing the suffering of civilians for economic gain. Does this sound familiar?

I was exaggerating to vent how angered the world is at the situation. The reason Gaza hits harder than Sudan is first because the West has a stake in it which means a leverage to stop it or continue it, and second because whilst its bad to sell weapons to war zones for capital gain, its evil to diplomatically and morally shield and justify such death and destruction. It's not simply arming the conflict but systematically enabling and holding up the conditions of that conflict - at every level. There's a distinction between good, bad and evil.

Sudan's suffering is seen as a tragedy of war and collapse, Gaza's is seen as horrific and engineered whilst being ideologically excused and justified as a war for ''Western civilization and liberal democracy''. Sudan's hunger is a emergent byproduct, Gaza's hunger is a engineered condition - to pressure Palestinians into ''voluntarily'' cleansing themselves.

 

[Breakingthewall]

@zazen

I'm not comparing the US to China when it comes to profiting from war, since the US not only sells weapons but also provokes wars, and China hasn't provoked any yet. However, its position in Sudan is murki. Getting rich off a war by selling weapons to both sides shows you don't have too many scruples. So what else can you do for money? We'll see.

[Raze]

[Nivsch]

A bit longer post today, from a high quality source - the independent Israeli journalist Orly Barlev - to show the crisis from a higher resolution if you want to go deeper. Her post:

" Urgent Appeal to Business Leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut 🚨

(The Israeli equivalent to the president of American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations in the US)

Four months ago, you threatened that if the government did not comply with the Supreme Court's ruling regarding the dismissal of the head of the Shin Bet, you would go on strike and fight back.

"If the Israeli government does not respect the order and leads Israel into a constitutional crisis, we will call on the entire public to stop respecting government decisions and bring the Israeli economy to a halt," you declared in the Business Forum's statement.

You directly addressed Netanyahu: "Stop the internal collapse of the country you are leading."

Chair of the Histadrut, Arnon Bar-David, you announced:
"We are on the verge of anarchy under the government's watch, and I will not stand by and watch the destruction of Israeli society... Disregarding a court ruling is a final red line that must not be crossed, and I do not intend to remain silent as the State of Israel is dismantled."

That was in March of this year.
And what has happened since?

Meanwhile, Netanyahu continues to dismantle the country – only step by step, salami-style – and you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, are paralyzed and silent.

Meanwhile – Hostages and soldiers are being sacrificed because Netanyahu refuses to end a purposeless war to maintain his power and evade justice.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu managed to pressure Ronen Bar into resigning, and the Shin Bet – weaker than ever – may receive an unfit, submissive chief beholden to Netanyahu.

Meanwhile – thugs have been sent to Supreme Court hearings to create orchestrated disruptions and intimidate the judges.

Meanwhile – an illegal and undemocratic campaign to remove the Attorney General is underway and will be accelerated in the coming days.

Meanwhile – a single on-call judge in the Supreme Court (Solberg) did not immediately halt this corrupt process and instead gave the government a rope to continue.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu is pursuing a catastrophic policy in Gaza that has created a humanitarian disaster and is destroying Israel’s global standing.

Meanwhile – Israel is becoming a pariah, facing international boycotts of its academia and businesses.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu is advancing, salami-style, the occupation of Gaza, military rule, a “humanitarian city” (a ghetto or worse), and mass deportations (“voluntary” after creating unlivable conditions in the Strip).

Meanwhile – Netanyahu prolongs the war even though soldiers are exhausted, broken, falling, and committing suicide.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu continues pushing a draft-dodging law that will dismantle the state.

Meanwhile – the police is disintegrating, not stopping lawbreakers aligned with the government, while arresting anti-government protesters, conducting strip searches, and suppressing dissent.

Meanwhile – there is no enforcement against increasing violence by settler extremists in the West Bank.

Meanwhile – the cost of living is soaring, poverty is expanding, brain drain and emigration are accelerating, and education is collapsing.

Shall we continue?

At what point will you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, realize that the red line was crossed long ago, that you fell asleep at the wheel, and the horses are already galloping out of the barn?

When do you intend to shut down the economy – after there's nothing left of Israel?

After Netanyahu destroys the Supreme Court from within through a campaign of incitement against Chief Justice Amit?
After Netanyahu slyly installs a loyal, dangerous Shin Bet head?

After the Attorney General is dismissed or weakened, with no gatekeepers left?
After more hostages and soldiers are sacrificed for Netanyahu’s grip on power?
After the army collapses under the weight of an endless war?

After there are no longer enough productive forces and minds in the country to sustain the Israeli economy?
After enlightened nations sever ties with Israel?

When??

If you're waiting for a “clear moment” of line-crossing – sorry to inform you, that moment is long gone.

It passed through countless small steps, a multi-front assault on the public under heavy bombardment, in salami slices that you swallowed one by one. But the clear moment? Long gone.

We’ve long passed numerous red lines.
We are already at the black line.

Don’t wait for hundreds of thousands in the streets to give you the mood and momentum to act.
The people have been protesting to the best of their ability for years, week after week.

They are in ongoing trauma – shocked and broken.

This is on you too.

There is still a narrow window of opportunity to act, before we completely fall apart.
Stop sitting on the fence, stop staying silent, stop being helpless.

You have the power to stop the madness and the rapid decline.
Shut down the economy immediately until:

1. A deal is immediately brought to return all the hostages and end the war.

2. Immediate elections are declared – halting all judicial coup efforts, including halting senior appointments by the destructive government.

Business leaders and Chair of the Histadrut,
Israel is rushing toward the abyss.
The people are falling apart.
You have the power to save Israel.
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And to the exhausted citizens:
Please share. Facebook is limiting exposure.
Give power to these words – let them become actions. "

Edited July 29 by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

 

 

[zazen]

A lot of symbolic theater from Western nations in recognizing a Palestinian state. But what tangible affect does that have on stopping Israel?

Israel be like ''Oh you recognize Palestine? Okay, well we recognize that we're still being armed with everything we need to do our ethnic cleansing and are still diplomatically shielded by the US where it counts - at the UN resolution table. So be gone anti-semitic world''

Israeli Arnold Schwarznazi denying starvation and blaming khhhhhhamas

Where all the proud Zionists who used to love chatting for Israel? 

Edited July 29 by zazen

[PurpleTree]

 

[PurpleTree]

Gosh too much of that stuff in my feed but this one was well done with the music and all

[Nivsch]

[Raze]

[Nivsch]

@Raze The title is misleading. Look at the detailed survey questions inside. Even according to them only 29% of the secular people want this and even them not out of ideology but from the trauma of oct7. Only 10% have an hard core ideology to settle in Gaza.

 

Edited Saturday at 09:10 AM by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

On 7/27/2025 at 0:48 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, then as the massacre in Gaza is evil, it's ok widespread forced marriages and "honor" killings, and in short the absolute oppression of women. Strange logic, but if for you it works, good.

Isn't your grandma, mom, wife, sister, and daughter available to see naked on only fans for $4.99? And you're too weak and effeminate to stop them from destroying their lives? How many abortions have all the women in your family had? How many antidepressants are they on? How many guys have pumped and dumped them and left them crying in the gutter and feeling worthless? How many of them have destroyed their biology and fertility with birth control and IUD's? How many of them have STD's? How many of them have sacrificed their future family for a worthless degree that means nothing? How many of them go outside in public dressed in a thong and bra covered by a see through dress and looking like a sex toy? How many of them make themselves throw up just to stay think enough to be accepted? How many of them are divorced or unwed single mothers forced to do "favors" to keep the lights on?

Admit it. Every woman in your family is fucked in the head. Just like the American/Euro women. Just like you are

You are just envious that you will NEVER experience the beauty and pleasure of a REAL and PURE woman. You will get the shit end of the stick and a watered down diluted version of what a woman is. You will get a street walker and you will have to respect her lol. Real men don't respect the town bicycle let alone protect and provide for them. But this envy you have will make you sick. You can't stand to see a woman who isn't a walking sex toy. You are a sick freak and all of you Western "men" are eunuchs

Edited Saturday at 09:47 AM by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

True oppression of women

 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Isn't your grandma, mom, wife, sister, and daughter available to see naked on only fans for $4.99? And you're too weak and effeminate to stop them from destroying their lives? How many abortions have all the women in your family had? How many antidepressants are they on? How many guys have pumped and dumped them and left them crying in the gutter and feeling worthless? How many of them have destroyed their biology and fertility with birth control and IUD's? How many of them have STD's? How many of them have sacrificed their future family for a worthless degree that means nothing? How many of them go outside in public dressed in a thong and bra covered by a see through dress and looking like a sex toy? How many of them make themselves throw up just to stay think enough to be accepted? How many of them are divorced or unwed single mothers forced to do "favors" to keep the lights on?

Admit it. Every woman in your family is fucked in the head. Just like the American/Euro women. Just like you are

You are just envious that you will NEVER experience the beauty and pleasure of a REAL and PURE woman. You will get the shit end of the stick and a watered down diluted version of what a woman is. You will get a street walker and you will have to respect her lol. Real men don't respect the town bicycle let alone protect and provide for them. But this envy you have will make you sick. You can't stand to see a woman who isn't a walking sex toy. You are a sick freak and all of you Western "men" are eunuchs

Sure, it's much better to be with a woman who's with you because she believes it's her obligation, otherwise she'll go to hell. Western society is full of shit because it's an adult society that confronts itself openly, without an instruction manual, making mistakes and learning from them. Muslim society is a society of terrified children who only know how to do one thing: obey. Obedient children with false souls terrified about don't reach the standard. No artist, no scientist, no writers, no nothing, just obedient Muslims. Ah, and don't forget say thanks to west , without them Muslims would be happy in the X century, without medicines, technology and electricity ,just praying a lot obediently , terrified about a man, Muhammad, that is their lord, and you their slaves.

Btw I hope your parents choose a good woman for you. But be careful, in many Muslim countries the most requested surgery is hymen reconstruction. Things sometimes are different that they seem. 

Edited Saturday at 01:21 PM by Breakingthewall