Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Bibi is terrible no disagreement on that.

Not nearly as terrible as Ben Gvir, who is a Zionist Nazi.

[Nivsch]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not nearly as terrible as Ben Gvir, who is a Zionist Nazi.

He is a nightmare 🦇🏰  causes a lot of damage inside the country too.

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, Letho said:

Moving forward 100 years into the future and holding onto the assumption that we continue to progress philosophically rather than regress (the latter is arguably more possible

Do you think society has more regressed than progressed in last couple of decades?

[Nivsch]

Edited October 15, 2024 by Nivsch

[zazen]

Link to the below clip:  https://x.com/im_pulse/status/1845933130890481804?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

 

 

Those who argue that Israel cannot be committing ethnic cleansing because it hasn’t happened all at once in 24 hours misunderstand how such atrocities unfold over time, sometimes over years or even decades. Historical examples, such as the Rwandan genocide or the Holocaust, began with gradual dehumanization, escalating violence, and legal or political measures that stripped away rights bit by bit, often disguised under the cloak of “security” or “self-defense.”

Previously unacceptable acts like targeting civilians or hospitals suddenly being “justified” is part of the process that normalizes violence against marginalized groups. The world has seen this pattern repeatedly in history, where a slow escalation of justifications and exceptions leads to the complete abandonment of legal and moral standards.

Then we look back in horror, but only when it’s too late.

Edited October 15, 2024 by zazen

[royce]

@Nivsch When I read these things, I wonder for 3 seconds whether the Israelis are really that naive, or if they are treating the world as if it were stupid. Then I remember that they all served in the army. 

I respect the right-wingers more than these people; at least they are consistent with themselves and their country.

Edited October 15, 2024 by royce

[Nivsch]

 

[Nivsch]

18 minutes ago, royce said:

I respect the right-wingers more than these people; at least they are consistent with themselves and their country.

You mean they are consisted with the way you want to see Israel. Oh OK.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Nivsch

[royce]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

You mean they are consisted with the way you want to see Israel. Oh OK.

I think if I were a liberal Jew, I would shut the fuck up.I wouldn’t defend this bullshit.and  I don’t think I’d try to be a hero against the tribe it’s too hard 

And it’s not really a survival thing like you’re trying to make it seem. You’re living well. 

Or maybe it’s a duty? Is the government coming after those who don’t share their propaganda?I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s true.

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura @Nivsch

Issue I have with Israel is that it is not just Bibi or Ben Gvir or Smotrich.

The entire political sphere historically has been filled with war criminals who conduct war in the most barbaric manners.

You have Ariel Sharone for once, who literally personally oversaw the "Sabra and Shatila" massacre where 1500-3500 people were killed in 2 days.

Then we have Begin who was being so barbaric in his assault on Lebanon, Reagan, an AMERICAN PRESIDENT had to call him and tell him to "stop this holocaust" for him to put an end to it.

Lastly we have Olmert who did shit lot of war crimes and collective punishment in the 2006 Lebanon war.

All of them in the last 40 years or so.

Not to mention Naftali Bennet would not be any less barbaric in the current wars if he had power given by what he has said.

Their ENTIRE political sphere is filled with war criminals.

Therefore I doubt just changing hands of power will improve things much and I doubt most Israeli leaders would have prosecuted the war much differently.

Keep in mind the ICC charges for war crimes are not towards Ben Gvir or Smotrich but towards Gallant, the minister of defense. I rarely hear people shit on him. It is always these 3 (Bibi, Gvir, Smotrich).

Yet according to the International court Gallant should be in jail for war crimes.

if you want sources for these claims feel free to let me know.

The only reasonable one was Rabin who came from the left Labour party and was killed for being reasonable.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong

Edited October 15, 2024 by Karmadhi

[royce]

5 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

The only reasonable one was Rabin who came from the left Labour party and was killed for being reasonable.

 

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/myths-of-yitzhak-rabin-432611

Edited October 15, 2024 by royce

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Their ENTIRE political sphere is filled with war criminals.

Yes, of course. Israel was an ethnic cleansing project from day 1. And it still is today. Nothing has changed. Once this point is understood, everything makes sense.

Begin was a terrorist. He organized terrorist attacks against the British to force them to pull out of Palestine, which succeeded.

Begin lead the most successful terrorism campaign in history, which led to the formation of the Israeli state.

People generally assume that terrorism doesn't work. And usually that's true. But Israel is history's greatest example of terrorism working, thanks to Begin and his friends. All of it this is a matter of historical record.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

@Karmadhi In this kind of environment, evolved or advanced western minded people too can behave differently in heated situations when face survival challenges. You see this in America's wars and the Europeen coalition as well. Israel's historical as well as present policies aren't worse than those of the rest of the West in any sense.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

present policies aren't worse than those of the rest of the West in any sense.

Yes they are. The West is generally not engaged in ethnic cleansing these days. And the West is not creating ethno-states.

Israel is violating many many international laws and doing serious war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Your war is fundamentally racist.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes they are. The West is generally not engaged in ethnic cleansing these days. And the West is not creating ethno-states.

If the west has to settle in the environment Jews has settled in, it won't have a choice but to create an etno Christian state as the only way to preserve its western values and to not drown into Sharia.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

If the west has to settle in the environment Jews has settled in, it won't have a choice but to create an etno Christian state as the only way to preserve its western values and to not drown into Sharia.

That is both irrelevant and false.

There is no need for Israel to be an ethno-state. The only reason for it is that Jews are so self-adsorbed that they cannot help themselves.

[PurpleTree]

7 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Can you show me some of my posts of where I’m "very apologetic for their barbarism"?

@Karmadhi ?

 

[zazen]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

People generally assume that terrorism doesn't work. And usually that's true. But Israel is history's greatest example of terrorism working, thanks to Begin and his friends. All of it this is a matter of historical record.

America also is a great example of terrorism working, but that is now waning in its effectiveness against rising regional powers.

 This time stamp on Israel 5:48sec is on point.

 

[Nivsch]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no need for Israel to be an ethno-state

Why not?

By Ethno state I mean to more than 50% of the population to be Jews.

Today Jews here are 73% (without counting WB and Gaza. Only inside international lines).

Edited October 15, 2024 by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

12 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

?

I will go back and research. Busy right now. Just your tone seems to be a bit apologetic. Calling you Pro Israel was perhaps a bit of an exageration. My apologies.