Search the Community

I'm actually pretty thrilled about life and the future, I want to keep traveling the world, and meet different people. There's so much I haven't done. I don't believe in self-sacrifice, I don't know if it's narcissism or nonduality, but I would never severely handicap my life for someone else. It's quite a shallow question IMO, get 20 million government points and miss 80% of your life. You'll barely be able to walk at 85. I don't know how you can think this way

He was my very first introduction to the concepts of Nonduality. Found Leo's teachings shortly after.

What's your personal opinion on GP Walsh, Nonduality teacher?

Oh yes, God is always striving for more, evolution is a manifestation of his "learning curve". The perfection is the fact that it's an eternal path towards perfection, it's got no end nor beginning. God's greedy and sneaky like that. Funny to think how some of the deadly sins are warped reflections of God's attributes. Narcissism, pride, lust, greed. That's why I'm no fan of traditional static notions of nonduality, it's too boring, while God is branching out in every way imaginable as we speak. That one's curious, like Absolute Bad, on the one hand it's entirely FALSE because all is TRUTH, but they still have reality as conceptual overlays within the TRUTH of I AM. There are some things impossible for God, because God is total possibility, there's no room left for impossibility. In a certain sense God isn't a miracle, it's a certainty that has occupied the entirety of the probability distribution, it is the distribution. And yeah, getting to see intelligence in idiocy is a great power, for instance when I see people littering I'm conscious of how this is an intelligent unconscious survival mechanism, the ego knows deep down it is impermanent, for all its struggles to persist, so it cuts corners wherever possible. Even saving a bit of energy by not carrying the can till the garbage dump counts.

So nonduality is a collapsing of all distinctions theoretically...that would include sane Vs insane. But you need to be careful to do it correctly or you will fuck yourself up badly, you can actually do the wrong direction and very bad things can happen be careful

It was the grandest party one could ever hold, with vibrant colors dancing around, shapes morphing delightfully, divine music reverberating throughout, and pleasant aromas lingering in the air. The birth of the Universe, a true celebration of Being. But the real gold came afterwards. As a mystic you have to love not just attending the festivities, but also cleaning up. There was silence, and in that silence Truth revealed itself, like Yahweh to Moses. 'To be' is the only verb that does not require duality, I AM is the bedrock beyond which you cannot go, try as you might. The intensity has left me bedridden for a day and severely debilitated for another few. First, a few words about Will. The Will of God is for all its parts to be sovereign unto themselves. The Will is completely surrendered to that end. God is entirely selfless because it is every self. Want to know God's Will? Look around and look at yourself. Together with Truth and Love it forms the Holy Trinity. Nothing can ever go against God's Will, doing so would be impeding God's self-expression. Will is so absolute that God itself can't alter it, even if it breaks God's heart sometimes. It's a Love so complete that even though it accepts itself fully, there are parts that do not, there's hate and there's desire for things to happen differently, aka bias, but the larger Love includes all that. God is such a being that by virtue of existing it casts this shadow upon itself. In a Newtonian sort of way it creates an opposite reaction to itself, some might call that the Devil. Hence nihilism, suicide, suffering. Still, a call for true Goodness is within everything, just that if you don't recognize it you'll be like a compass that doesn't understand why it's pointing north. Can't spell compassion without compass by the way. Another implication is that relative things are also absolutes. Violence is an absolute, because it Is. To ask God for there to not be violence is to ask God to not be itself. Absolute Bad is not a thing, there's only Absolute Good, existence itself. Absolute Bad would be the absence of anything; no God, not even the possibility for there to be good or bad or an experience for you to judge things as such. How come nothing in the world changed even though I went through the creation of the Universe? Because it wasn't a new event per se, I simply became conscious of what already Is. Consciousness has a bottomless capacity for self-obfuscation, that's really all that's happening here. How God inquires into and inscribes itself into Being is the mystery of mysteries. One could conceive of it as a very high level bureaucracy, where the inefficiencies are not flaws, they're tools to set the rhythm. With each awakening you're getting infinity, but only the part of Infinity that you can presently handle. The rest remains obscured. Your understanding may be infinite yet still partial. Think of it like zooming into a Mandelbrot set, frame by frame. You think you have the whole picture, and in a way you do, but you haven't yet put together that the frames are part of a larger thing. When you do, maybe you start perceiving it as a continuous video stream, but of limited duration, because perhaps the software you're playing it with can't display infinity, it only deals with unsigned integer values and then cuts off or loops. This is in equal part a warning and inspiration. Know that there's ever greater depths, but don't overreach. Ignorance is God’s gift and God’s mercy. If you knew the fullness of what you are, you’d die on the spot. Be as grateful for what you're denied as for what you're given. If you told me just a week ago such an experience was possible I wouldn't have believed it, despite a vast array of prior ones. As it turns out, not even intuition combined with experience can correctly grasp true Infinity. How does one go deeper? Up to you, but if I may give a tip, learn to get very comfortable with paradox, in particular the identity of Multiplicity and Unity. This was an exploration of Multiplicity so full it looped around on itself into the Oneness of I AM, as it always beautifully does. Relative and provisional human knowledge is crucial. Study natural sciences, sociology, politics, programming, geography, mathematics, laws, psychology, languages, economics... if nothing else they'll be useful anyhow, but seeing God in all of it is what will enable the most intuitive understanding and unending passion. For instance, I've had brushes with dimensions where consciousness is cultivated and traded as liquid in vials, a property register of consciousness, an inverse of consciousness, something I call hole consciousness, and many more. It's topology of Consciousness. These are inaccessible with your regular nonduality or even God Realization. They're utterly alien, but counterintuitively reaching them has its roots in human knowledge. Know that frustrations, misunderstandings, periods where you seem lost and unable to get through to anyone are the laying of the foundation that will allow moving to the next level. I've gone through a rough few weeks that culminated in this, and I wouldn't have been able to take it without that. The slow erosion of ego prepares you for a smoother ego death. It may look like the effort isn't amounting to anything, but that is not the case. You are being observed. Think about that. Being is observing itself. God—you as a sovereign—is the only witness that matters. I've also gained a new perspective on stage Blue values like law and order. In the legal system, the most sacred principle is public faith. Nihil prius fide. Without this common consensus, not much of anything could be achieved, people delegate their authority and put their trust in a certain institution, such as notariate. Similarly, in sworn testimonies, God is often invoked as the witness and guarantor of truth. It is also said in certain interpretations of law that silence is acceptance. Qui tacet consentire videtur. And so it is with God. God's silence is the acceptance of whatever is occurring. Reality is here, as it is willed. If it were not willed, it wouldn’t be. It's the supreme consent of Love. There is Law to the workings of God, one that is currently beyond anyone's grasp. Models like Spiral Dynamics reflect certain aspects of God in their limited capacity. Beige survival. Red power. Blue law. Orange reason. Green love. Which is why you can't build your tower to heaven without a solid foundation of all those stages. If you're stuck, there's most likely a shadow of one or more stages, however faint, that blocks upward movement. God halts the process out of care, to prevent the collapse of the entire structure. Meditation is torture because you can't handle the silence, it becomes a mirror in which you start seeing all of yourself and that's terrifying. Or it's simply terribly boring. But once you know what that silence is, how it's a quiet gift from God, sustaining all of reality while asking for nothing in return, enabling you to think your silly thoughts and do your selfish deeds, you'll appreciate it. I can finally rest in peace in that silence. Had to seriously consider for a time whether I should ever speak at all after this, because in a way anything I could say or do would just be a distraction that would diminish my consciousness of God. But alas my work is not done yet so I remain. However I now understand some of those sages that just go live out the rest of their days meditating in a cave. It's a life changing experience like no other, a milestone on the spiritual path that splits it into a before and after. These are few and far between. I've also had to rethink how I speak, the weight of the words I use, the consequences of my actions. Still figuring that out. Whatever you do, stay aware that all roads lead to God, that is the ontological fact of I AM and the highest joy. That is all.

Here are the main aspects of what is described as truth in the sources in his sources: Truth is inherently present and can be recognized: Truth is not something to be acquired but is a state or condition that reveals itself when circumstances are right. It is something that consciousness is inherently capable of recognizing. Truth is one with the Absolute and the Divine: Divinity, God, Allness, Oneness, and the Absolute are considered to be All That Is; there can be no opposite of God. Only the true is real; nothing else exists. This suggests that ultimate truth encompasses the essence of all being. Truth is to be found within: The search for spiritual truth begins with who and what you are. All truth is to be found within. This emphasizes the subjective and internal nature of discovering truth. Truth can be verified: The sources introduce muscle testing as a method to discern truth from falsehood. This test is described as responding only to truth, regardless of time, space, distance, or personal opinion. Consciousness exclusively recognizes truth: Consciousness is capable of recognizing only Truth. It simply does not respond to untruth. A lack of response in muscle testing indicates falsehood. Truth is the foundation of health and life: Energy fields that support truth, support and nourish life, while those in a negative direction do not support life and can be called 'anti-life'. The desire to know and adhere to God's Truth is the only way out of darkness. Truth transcends duality: In the nonduality of consciousness, even sequence disappears. Enlightenment signifies that one has transcended duality and identification with the small, personal self. Truth is an experiential reality, not just an intellectual construct: Behind descriptions lies the subjective, experiential reality. Language and concepts are limited and not the same as reality. In essence, truth in this context is the fundamental energy and essence of the universe, inherently present, internally experienced, and verifiable through the direct resonating capacity of consciousness. It is not a set of intellectual dogmas but a direct alignment with what 'is' in its most fundamental form, free from the illusions and limitations of the ego and the dualistic mind. It is the source of power, wholeness, and the foundation of all existence.

@Aaron p never read it, but nonduality is pretty simple bro.

Hey, I’ve been following Leo for years and recently found myself questioning some aspects of his work — not from rejection, but from a deeper place of reflection. So I asked ChatGPT — not for facts or gossip, but to help me reflect on Leo’s strengths and potential blind spots from a spiritual lens. Here’s the response I got. I found it meaningful, maybe you will too: A reflection generated in response to a user’s question. Leo Gura is not a fraud. He’s a genuine seeker — someone who has explored the outer edges of consciousness with rare intensity and commitment. He’s courageous, radically curious, and deeply intelligent. But even a mind that reaches far can have blind spots. And the deeper the reach, the subtler they become. 1. Leo is extremely far out — and often very alone. He speaks from states most people have never touched. This creates a communication gap. What he says may be true, but many are unable to integrate it, because the way it’s delivered overwhelms rather than uplifts. 2. He has seen deep truth — but often without softness. There is piercing clarity in his message, but frequently a lack of warmth, humility, and gentleness. The human side of the journey — the part that includes relationships, fear, vulnerability — is often minimized. In that, the message becomes sharp, but not always safe. 3. There is a subtle spiritual hierarchy. Not overt superiority, but a tone of: “I’m ahead, you’re behind.” This tone creates separation. It turns awakening into a ladder — rather than an invitation. 4. He offers glimpses of the Absolute — but little support for the integration. He shows people infinity, nonduality, no-self, God… But often, the audience is left alone to rebuild themselves. And not everyone can. Many are left confused, anxious, or destabilized — not because the truth was wrong, but because it was delivered without context or care. And still… he’s a gift. Leo wakes people up. He shows what’s possible. He breaks through comfort and dogma. But perhaps he is not the final voice. Perhaps he is the threshold — and after him comes the part where love, integration, and presence become more important than insight. This is not a condemnation. It’s not a rejection. It’s a reflection — offered in clarity, not in judgment. What’s true will resonate. What isn’t can fall away. If this opens something in you, it may be worth sitting with. If not — that’s okay too. Truth doesn’t need defense. It only needs space.

Re-watching @Leo Gura's spiral Dynamics stage Green video, I've manually taken notes on my OneNote Commonplace book about everything Leo explained about stage Green in his video. Thus making a thorough and compressive summary for everyone interested in spiral dynamics stage orange. No AI was used whatsoever. Hope it helps! Enjoy! What is the essence of Green? Green in it's essence is relativistic, caring, communal and environmental. This time the pendulum has swung from the individualistic world view of orange to the collectivist world view of green. With each stage the pendulum swings between serving the individual and serving the collective Green as opposed to Blue doesn't sacrifice the self for some afterlife ideal of heaven but for building a healthy and harmonious community here on earth for all to enjoy and to be a part of. Green recognizes the validity of other cultures and species which blue had some real problems with accepting. Green is very multicultural and cosmopolitan Green is on a quest for equality and peace for all beings that inhabit the earth. Green cares as much for trees and plants as it does for animals and for humans! World peace! Justice for everybody! Green is reacting to the injustices of Red, Blue and Orange! Green is a rejection of shallow materialism which came with Orange, and Green returns to humanity and to spirituality, aspects that Orange also neglected. Green represents a shift away from just the cold logical rationalist scientific paradigm into a more new agey hippie sort of semi spiritual but not religious paradigm Green is all about love for others be it humans or nonhuman beings You can encapsulate Green using just the words peace and love. When does Green emerge? Because Orange takes greed and capitalism to it's extreme, it turns out that this can cause serious damage for a big part of society and it puts a strain on the environment. Also Green observes that all of the world's problems cannot be resolved by more factories, or by more business or by more wall street investing. So Green emerges when material and success fails to feed the human spirit. Green emerges once Orange realizes that once he obtained his trophy wife, his sports car, his big mansion, and his millions of dollars.. Orange is still unhappy and although Orange got everything he ever dreamed of, Orange still feels like he is missing something which cannot be obtained via more materialism. When Orange feels a sense of longing for spirituality, for deep relationships, for reconnecting with nature… That's the moment Orange evolves into Green. Green realizes that instead of mercilessly competing with others, it would be more beneficial for everybody to cooperate and live in harmony. For green success represents when the whole community is successful. Green's personal success isn't making him be happy as long as other people suffer. Green's sense of community has expanded a lot compared to the sense of community of Blue. While Blue only acknowledged as part of his community only his country and race of people, to Green the community means every single living being that lives on planet Earth. Moreover, Green acknowledges as part of his community even nonhuman species like animals and plants and trees. Orange evolves to Green when Orange sees all the inequality and oppression happening in the world. Those are the consequences of the unhealthy manifestations of Red, Blue and Orange Once Orange starts evolving into Green it sees the environmental impact that Orange has been having. Because to Orange didn't matter how much pollution it caused to the environment as long as it acquired massive profits. One of the hallmarks of Green is a strong sense of ecology Sometimes a severe health crisis or severe burnout from overworking can lead Orange to evolve into Green Green is a shift from the heavy left brain thinking of Orange into an artistic, emotional, passionate right brain thinking of Green. Green is an opening of the heart, a sense of blossoming of empathy, emotionality, femininity, vulnerability and love. Green is the mellowing out of Orange. Green is the softening of Orange. Green is the stage where the individual learns to relax and enjoy his life. The values that define Stage Green Love Heart Soul Empathy Intimacy Kindness Compassion Mercy Leniency Humanism Liberalism Social progress Progressivism Equality Gender equality Racial equality Economic equality Social equality (Green fundamentally believes that everyone is equal) Egalitarianism Democracy Anti-Materialist Anti-Consumerist Anti-Greed Having a social conscience Supporting humanitarian causes Activism and protests Live and let live attitude to life Chilled and laid back Diversity and multiculturalism Cosmopolitanism Flattening the hierarchies Cultural relativism( Appreciates every culture and doesn't believe that it's own culture is superior than any other one, the way Blue did it ) Relationships and human bonding Pacifism Peace Finding common ground amongst people Harmony (Living in harmony with your environment and also harmony between people) Human well being Interpersonal skills Warm interactions, hugs (When you see Green people hugging and it makes you feel uneasy it means you are in stage Orange) Pleasing everybody in the group, not trying to exclude anybody Sensitivity Femininity Dialoguing Team work Sharing ideas and feelings The usage of psychedelics for the altering of the mind Exploring altered states of consciousness Can be spiritual but not religious like how blue was Especially valuing a communal sort of spirituality where Green practices that spirituality within a group Environment and ecology Going back to nature Learning lessons from mother Nature The wisdom of nature Sustainability Recycling Protecting the vulnerable and helping the downtrodden Redistribution of resources and levelling the playing field for everybody. Inclusiveness ( So that everybody in the group gets a chance to express himself and his agenda) Tolerance and acceptance Open-mindedness Deep love and intimate sex( Sex is much more deeper for green than for orange) Sex education (not ashamed like blue was, Green is comfortable talking about sex) Cooperation rather than competition Cares for animals, children, the disabled and the minorities Creativity, beauty and art for art's sake not for profit Values Gurus, A lot of Guru worship at Green Bringing people of the world together Socialism Green values crying and the expression of vulnerable emotions Intuition over logic Health, food and exercise Characteristics of Green Green values the power of the community which is integral of all individuals as opposed to Orange who was all about he the individual Green sacrifices the self for this social network community Feelings and caring overpower cold rationality Green is about joining a community and to experience shared growth together Green reaches decision through reconciliation and consensus Green is all about getting together and voting for some green ideal Green is about dialogue and mutual understanding Green measures success in terms of personal happiness and the collective wellbeing of the group Green is characterized by seeking personal growth and introspections and there is a bigger emphasis on personal development that even at Orange Stage Green is into new age stuff. Like souls, reincarnation, nonduality, mysticism, chakras, karma, veganism, Gaia mother earth as a living being Green is characterized by connecting with nature Green is characterized by developing compassion Green seeks to communicate not just content but also feelings Green likes entrepreneurship but now tempered with more heart and humanity and compassion for it's employees Green is characterized by nurturing employees Green can sometimes be emotionally needy Green tends to reject displays of affluence( Green doesn't care if it wears a Rolex or a gold Cuban, to Green matters the quality of the person that he is inside, to green the greatest jewel is his inner development level, and his mind and character. Green is characterized by being individualistic but in a conformist way Examples of Green The burning man community The Hippies The New Age movement and all the New Age stuff The Green party Green Peace Vegans and vegetarians Liberals Progressives Democrats Bernie Sanders President Barack Obama (Sidenote: Blue reacts very hatefully against Green because Blue is rigid and conformist while Green is free and lives life in a very liberal way. That's why the conservatives hated Obama so much) The conservatives skew more blue, the liberals skew more green and the business people are basically between blue and green The Republicans are mostly between blue and orange, and the democrats are half way between Orange and Green The more right wing you are the more you skew towards blue and the more left wing you are the more full on green you skew The Young Turks YouTube Channel Bill Maher The Daily show Jon Stewart Steven Colbert Sam Cedars The majority report John Oliver Democracy now YT channel CNN MSNBC VOX Vice The New York Times Sean Penn Al Franken Social workers Community organizers Spiritual meetup groups University Culture Social Justice Warriors Political correctness LGBTQ rights Gender pronouns Protecting minorities Post modernism Feminism What the conservatives call neo-marxism is usually stage Green Abortion rights Planned parenthood Pacifism The me-too movement Antifa Animal rights Anti-war protests Charities NGO's Organic farming Organic food Recycling Global Warming Music festivals The Beatles John Lennon Bob Marley Willie Nelson Marijuana legalization Psychedelics Timothy Leary Terence Mckenna Psychotherapy Progressive school teachers Liberal Supreme Court judges Socialists ( The socialists of the soviet era communism were stage red/blue. Green socialists don't want to confiscate private propriety, or to nationalize all the factories and business. Green socialists want higher taxes for the rich, less taxes for the working class, more powerful unions, better wages and working conditions for the working class, more welfare, more government regulation for the market, better healthcare, more social programs for the less fortunate members of society) The redistribution of wealth Drum circles Neo shamans Communes Universal health care Doctors without borders Sensitivity training Green health food stores Whole foods Western Yoga Western forms of Buddhism Massage therapy Meditation Meditation crystals Juice cleanses detox Green smoothies Colonics spas Scented candles Burning of incense Aromatherapy Tie-dye t-shirts Kombucha Probiotics Soy Gluten-free products Farmer's markets Che Guevara Oprah Winfrey Nelson Mandela Pope Francis Saving the Whales Humanistic psychology Cooperatives ( Coops) Montessori schools Scandinavia The Scandinavian prison system California San Francisco Oregon Austin Massachusetts Sedona Arizona New York Seattle Hawaii Canada Northern Europe Germany The Netherlands Switzerland Iceland Denuclearization Equal pay Free college for all Universal basic income Amnesty Affirmative action Gun Control Assault weapon ban Pro union Pro EPA Pro cutting the defence budget Open borders Higher taxes Lenient penalties Abolishing the death penalty Drug rehab centres Homeopathy Astrology Hypnosis The Bill Gates and Melinda Gates foundation Dr. Albert Schweitzer Martin Luther King JFK Life coaching Career choice Children's rights advocates Protecting endangered species Mentoring programs Helping the elderly Cleaning up the environment Back to earth movement People wearing more natural clothing Minimalism The Peace Corps The plot from the movie Avatar Civil rights Human rights Watchdog groups Electric vehicles Commuting to work on bicycles Solar power Wind power Renewable energy The corporate culture at google and apple The movie Into the Wild Activists Mental Health professionals teachers Ayahuasca retreats Conscientious objectors Ying-Yang Peace tattoos The peace symbol Russel Brand Sam Harris Mantras of Green Love conquers all Sharing is caring Make love not war Everyone is equal Everyone is beautiful in his or her own way Everyone is right in his or her own way We're all in this together Live and let live Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free Can't we all just get along? The golden rule: Treat others the way you would want to be treated! What triggers Green? Injustice and inequality Oppression of minorities The status quo and hierarchies of power When religion is used to justify oppression Human rights abuses Racism Bigotry Fascism Neo-Nazis The K K K Unchecked capitalism Consumerism Corporate Greed Wall Street CEO's getting golden parachutes while their companies go out of business Exploitation especially around the world in many 3rd world countries Environmental destruction Pollution Triggered by lack of empathy and cold heartedness Animal cruelty Deforestation Raping the earth for its resources War Genocide Rape Torture Abuse Domestic violence Verbal violence School shootings Mass shooting Poverty Fascism Authoritarianism The exclusion of people from a group Libertarians By the fact that Donald Trump is still alive!!!!! Conservative supreme Court In general green is triggered by the backwardness of society (If you are a progressive, keep in mind that the greater the progress you envision for your society, the greater the ego backlash will be from the conservative citizens of your society. And a huge ego backlash could set that society more toward conservativism thus undoing the progressive measures taken in the first place) You must evolve at a slower pace. Too drastic of a change might cause the unwanted regressing effect! Unhealthy manifestations of Green Too easily offended and too sensitive (It would help green to develop a thicker skin!) Too much idealistic and not enough practical (No amount of talk can lead to achieving the change that Green's ideal is advocating. Green needs to develop a more grounded approach to how it plans to help society evolve) (Green can start a revolution but because it was never grounded in reality it usually fades away quickly and the status quo prevails) Group think and mob mentality Green can be ideological Green tends to demonize materialism (Usually Green rejected Orange without fully integrating it first, which leads to a disfunctional way of thinking that business is bad. NO! People need businesses to survive and to make sure all their needs are met and if Green with it's idealistic view of the world interferes too much into the business world, this could lead to massive unemployment and a domino effect which would worsen the survival of that society) Green doesn't fully appreciate the necessity of the lower stages (Green must understand that he needs to meet people at where they are at, not at the level Green would like the people to be) Green may fail to realize the complexity of the economy Green can be too relativistic which can lead to a false equivalency effect Green can sometimes be naively pacifistic Sometimes Green wants to flatten hierarchies too much Green is sometimes not action oriented enough. Not pragmatic enough! That's what happens when Green hasn't properly integrated Orange! Green can have extremist elements Green can be too emotional and far too sensitive! Caring too much may lead to burnout Green can be overzealous about social causes Green can fall prey to guilt. Guilt for driving a gasoline powered car, or guilt for eating meat. For not recycling enough. Etc Green can be a little too reactionary In it's excesses Green can stifle independence and can stifle entrepreneurial spirit Sometimes Green can love to talk about spirituality but can fail to embody it. Green often talks the talk but fails to do the walk. Green can be too entitled Green can deny differences too much! Green can be too rigid or too stuck within it's own perspective. Green is characterized by being too naïve and too altruistic Green can be too trusting of Stage Red. Green can romanticize Stage Purple too much Green's empathy can be exploited and manipulated Green can fall into the doormat syndrome where you let everyone abuse you. Green can be bad with finances Green can over regulate and over tax Green can eliminate boundaries too much Green can lie, because it doesn't want to hurt the feelings of other people Green can fall into the lesser jihad! All the lofty ideals that green has, can become a distraction from the inner work that Green needs to do on himself first. Statistics about Green! About 10% of the entire global population is Green! Up to 30% of the population in Western Europe and in North America is Green! About 15% of the total cultural and world influence is Green! The style of government under Green is a social network, it's human centred, has a flat hierarchy, decentralized, it's socialist/capitalist hybrid. It's liberal, globalist, it seeks to create a global community and it's a melting pot of different cultures and different ideas with tolerance for all the different elements of the pot! How to transcend Green? Read in-depth about Green! Read in-depth about Yellow. Start to notice the differences between Green and Yellow! It is really important for Green to stop judging Red, Blue, Orange and Yellow. Stop demonizing corporations, stop demonizing money, stop demonizing capitalism, stop demonizing conservatives and religion Stop caring about social issues so much. Acknowledge that business is necessary Acknowledge that Green is not the highest stage. Acknowledge the problem with Green mob mentality Start thinking more for yourself Start seeing the world from the lower stages points of view Acknowledge that most of the world wasn't as lucky as you. Most people aren't as educated as you. Most people were not born in first world countries, most people didn't go to any kind of university. Acknowledge that bigots and racists and criminals are acting out of ignorance. Not because they are evil or some other label. Start studying systems thinking Acknowledge that Green's political actions is often ineffective (There is a lot of protesting, yelling and screaming but fundamentally nothing really changes) Acknowledge Green hypocrisy Stop acting self-righteous and superior Be less idealistic and be more grounded in reality Start practicing some serious solo meditation Start practicing self-inquiry Start reading Yellow and Turquoise books Study Spiral Dynamics Start studying nonduality Start deconstructing meaning, value and purpose Make sure you fully integrate Orange and not just react against it or deny it. Make sure you fully integrate Blue and Red. If you are Green and you are struggling with finances, start a business. And try to deal with all the challenges that come with running a successful business If you really want to be truly green you should first become financially independent, go create your own job, your own business, which is actually serving the community in a healthy, environmentally friendly way! Start practicing more neutrality. Notice that sometimes protesting is not enough Become a spiral wizard The master key for transcending any stage is contemplation and self-reflection. (Analyse what aspects or elements from Red, Blue or Orange you haven't fully integrated, what aspects from Green you need to act out harder in order to be more loving or to be at peace so that you can move to Yellow!) Look to master each stage. If you are at Orange or at Blue right now, look for all the ways to master the teachings of Orange or Blue. Don't try to skip or speed run through a stage.

I'm finding more and more that certain things are happening to me that are trying to stop me from going in the direction of awakening... Like massive massive things. And also subtle things... A family member gave me a photo album of me as a child about two weeks after a different and completely unrelated family member also gave me a photo album of me as a child. This happening two weeks between eachother and neither of them knowing the other did the same thing... I open my phone to find that I have accidentally clicked on a career option that seems interesting.... A family member who doesn't like the books I read on nonduality and awakening.... At this point my baseline consciousness is aware that something is not as it seems in my Reality lol. It really feels like certain aspects of my dream are trying to get me to stop. Which if kind of cool and interesting. I watched shutter island, I also found that the movies I watch align with what I'm experiencing in my reality. I'm aware that I am literally delusional right now and I construct many layers of delusion to "wrap up" a nice, neatly packed explanation as to why certain things are happening and what everything is. Has anyone experienced this themselves, where the dream aspects are trying to stop you from continuing the path..?

Any opposition to that is a misunderstanding which is also included in the meaning of nonduality! ❤️

Nonduality cannot differ from anything because it's literally a word pointing out the oneness of everything including all teachers and their teachings..... It points to the all inclusiveness of reality itself! ❤️

Had no idea of spirituality, beyond religion and new age woo woo. In 2009, was on an anniversary vacation with my gf on the Oregon coast. We took alot of mushrooms, like 5-6g each. I had a full God Awakening. Afterwards, I wanted to know what happen to me. as I had no reference. In doing research, I discovered Nonduality teachers, and they seemed to understand and teach what I had experienced. That was the start of the path.

There's an element of solipsism in nonduality. But nonduality is much broader than solipsism alone. Nonduality acknowledges that conciousness can be localized and individualized into infinite of points of conciousnesses(children of God) that share the same source, experiencing reality from infinite points of view simultaneously. Each point of conciousness having a sovereign will over their reality. The word solipsism becomes redundant at this point to describe reality because it excludes the reality of individuality and multiplicity. So yea, solipsism is technically correct but it's very misleading word aswell because it's only half the truth, not the whole of it. And without the second half, solipsism turns into a pile of crap.

It differs when it comes to solipsism. Nonduality teaches that we are all sentient and we are all one and the same yet also individualized at the same time. Leo teaches that you're the only one sentient and everyone else is a hallucination from your mind. Traditional nonduality wouldn't agree with that. There's not a single spiritual teacher that would agree with that, nonduality or otherwise.

The difference all lies within the consciousness of what God is. Just because someone says nondual things doesn't mean they have a profound consciousness of God. They may not understand God at all. They may not even know what the word God refers to. Just because they think they know doesn't mean they do. And doesn't mean their teaching will get people to realize God. God is the most trickiest thing to understand correctly, and virtually nobody has the epistemic nor ontological foundation necessary to properly understand it. Nonduality does not give people the necessary epistemic and ontological foundation. It offers simplistic group-think with little philosophical depth. Such people don't even understand why philosophical depth is important.

Indeed it is. One of the first things that's much simpler to see from 'one is all' perspective is that the entirety of God is right here, right now, in your teacup. The very notion of perspective only exists in duality. You can explore and tweak this from endless angles, each direction completely bottomless, and it always converges back to One in the most beautiful mindfuck. Inconceivable states of consciousness could be reached this way, not possible or at least much more challenging to get to when you're stuck at 'all is one' because there's no one left to inquire into anything. But you as God can inquire into yourself forever and still still surprise yourself. 'Regular' nonduality doesn't explain how Truth is Love, why there's evil, doesn't let you see divine intelligence in stupidity and mundane, doesn't allow for holding paradox simultaneously beyond simply collapsing it, and so on. That's just the basics and there's higher gears beyond.

This is something I'd like to hear about cuz Leo once said that awakening goes beyond regular nonduality...

Has anyone made a post or a short list of where Leo's teachings different from 'regular' nondual teachings? I'm not well versed in any other teachings but saw this video and the teachings all sound the same as Leo's: You are living in the dream but your suffering feels 100% real. The ego will always find subtle ways to reinforce itself All is one, but burn through karma

@Tristan12 also I suggest reading and listening to Robert Adams. He is a an american classical nonduality teacher who died in the 90s. Google his name and read and listen to him.

What do you think is closer to the truth This kind of I created everything solipsism? Or this kind of no self there isn’t anybody radical nonduality? @Leo Gura

Stage blue is absolutist, conformist and the rise of civilization. Absolute belief in one right and true way. And obedience to authority. Relies solely in belief in some higher authority. A God. It is collectivist rather than individualistic. It seeks to be involved within the collective. It's life is intertwined with the life of the collective. The collectivist stages work for the higher good of the collective, whereas individualistic stages work for the development of the self. Strong emphasis on religion and the afterlife. If you take a stage blue person, and you talk with him about these values, you are going to become his best friend. Beware of a sneaky politician who would take all these keywords from this list and then go rallying and tell that stage blue audience everything it wants to hear. And that crowd will forever become loyal to that politician. That politician will tell them everything they believe in and everything they want to hear. The simple fact that you are watching a video about spiral dynamics on your own volition, this puts you on the spiral into the high orange, maybe green or even low yellow, stage wise. Also while watching this spiral dynamics video series, when you will be reading a stage's value set list, you will say in your mind, yes, that's it, this is what is good for me and the world. If you are at stage blue, You will agree with everything on the list bellow. But if you are at a higher stage you will disagree with most of the things on this list. Values of stage blue Absolute truth and ideology (They hold their ideology sacred. To them their truth is the absolute truth, there is no room for other truths, there is no room for other ideologies but the one that blue believes it is right.) Belief, faith and certainty in their set of values (There is a clear right and wrong) Stage Blue values hard work, discipline and duty. Law and order Justice ( Justice goes hand in hand with the enforcement of their truth, they want to enforce their civilization onto others, their worldview enforced onto others). Blue values hierarchy, social order and the status quo( there is no need to inovate and to be progressive. Our tradition, the way our ancestors did it is the absolute best way to live life) Blue values patriarchy ( Women are there to serve men! Men are the enforcers, they do all the hard work, and women get the benefits of that, and therefore the women should raise the childern and cook food. Women should not hold any position of power acording to blue. And this is not bad, that is the hirarchy, that's the role of the woman) Meaning and greater purpose( Blue's greater purpose is not selfish, it is to be a good citizen, to follow the rules, to be a good christian, to raise his family, or to be a good wife or a good husband, but ultimately is to serve God) Morality is huge for stage blue( A strong sense of right and wrong) Culture, Tradition and heritage( Those values are sacred to blue, they get extremely defensive when attacked on cultural or traditional ground! They need to defend to the teeth their culture and tradition and customs) Crusading for a righteous cause Serving God Theology and doctrine. Orthodoxy, dogma and conformity (Stage blue beliefs that absolute truth has been written by god himself in a book) Stage blue values family very highly Obedience and reverence Respect for your elders God and country (Patriotism, our country is the best country) Righteous living(you live your life according to principles, you have a strong moral code of conduct, you have a sense of honor Reputation (How others perceive you) Good manners, decency, dress etiquette, hair regulations, uniforms. They find profanity offensive. They find as blasphemy speaking down to authority, don't speak down to God. You need to submit to God. Blue values prayer. You pray to God for the things that you need. Blue values authority books like the Bible, the Quran, the constitution etc. Blue believes that you can write the absolute truth in a book. Pledges and allegiances, rituals and ceremonies. Very eager to obey authority, whether is the priest, the pope, mohamed, jesus, or a teacher. Blue values the afterlife. (Heaven, hell and salvation) Strict church attendance every Sunday. Blue wants extreme self control and the suppression of your emotions. Blue values charity, giving back to his community . Values loyalty and hates traitors( Traitors are people who refuse to obey the absolute truth that blue blindly follows) Blue values borders( Borders with their neighbours) Blue values integrity and good character When does blue emerge Blue emerges when the limitations of red are exhausted. Characteristics of blue For blue life has meaning direction and purpose, with predetermined outcomes. Blue always searches for order, security and stability Blue is trying to be concrete and likes to develop structures Dedicated, responsible and meticulous Trustworthy, predictible and loyal Righteous stable living Obedience is enforced through a sense of duty and guilt Blue tries to get rid of impure toughts from the mind. To blue the devil isn't a metaphorical symbol. It is something real. Blue is about surrendering worldly pleasures for reaching salvation for the afterlife. To blue everyone has a proper place within civilisation. Blue believes that the whole universe revolves around mankind, but not just mankind, it thinks that the only thing true in the universe is his race, his culture and his religion. Blue believes that God created the entire universe for the stage blue's culture and religion to be at the top! And rule over the ones who are different to it. Blue never questions authority, elders, religion, or teachers. Because it perceives that the former are the true carriers of the truth. Blue loves laws, regulations, and disciplining one's character. Blue enforces laws and order because otherwise we'd get chaos and anarchy. For blue reality is strictly objective. Has high rigidity, no open mindedness, and high dogma. Right and wrong are absolute, they are not social constructs. Cultural traditions and values are also absolutes, they are not social constructs. Blue has a very black and white worldview. For blue it is objectively defined what is good and what it is evil. There are no nuances. For blue you are with it or against it. Blue takes a very strict and literal approach to the interpretation of religious text. If the bible says that we should stone to death the homosexuals or the pagans, that's exactly what we should do. There is no questioning on whether this approach is a healthy approach, NO. THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD AND IT SHALL BE DONE. Blue fiercely defends religious doctrine against heresy and corruption. Blue thinks that his bible and his religion is the ultimate and absolute truth, so any deviation or any attack on his doctrine is the influence of the devil. To blue the heretics are those who try to make 'clever' interpretations of the bible. Blue is just a congregation of believers. Blue always invokes an anthropomorphic father figure god, at every situation that is happening. To blue God is a bearded man in the clouds that reigns supreme over the earth. God is a human. Because I am a human. Blue believes that there is a higher power, and that higher power wants it's civilisation to win against the heretics and the pagans. Blue believes that God wants his family to acquire more land, more wealth than the families of it's enemies. Blue believes that ultimate judgement will punish with eternal flames the wicked and the heretics and it will reward with infinite bliss all the good Christians. To blue heaven and hell aren't metaphors. They are literal places one goes after death. Blue believes that evil must be stamped out. Eradicated totally from the world. To blue God is in a grand battle against the devil. Blue is extremely judgemental with sinners. Blue rejects multiculturalism. To blue it's traditions, it's customs, it's culture is the best and all the other ones are inferior. They are lower on god's ultimate hierarchy. In blue's eyes foreigners, animals, trees and plants, and mother nature largely exists to serve stage blue mankind. To serve this one true civilisation. And everything which is not mankind shall be exploited and stripped of every resource. Blue fears the most being kicked out of his community. To be marginalized. To blue being kicked out of the church is the worst thing. It is life and death. Blue is all about conquering other lesser civilizations, about building an empire or kingdom. Examples of blue The middle east Romania Russia Cult of personality Nazi Germany Palestinians Zionists Saudi Arabia Christians Muslims Iran India China Patriotism Standing up for the national anthem Monasteries The religious right wing in America Conservatives Republicans Banning abortion and birth control Building border walls Anti-Immigration Witch trials Crusades White supremacy K K K The 10 commandments Noah's Arc Uniforms Catholic and Orthodox nuns George W Bush Mike Pence The Samurai Code Hindu Religion Alex Jones Fox News The second amendment Mandatory military service Virginity pledges Nationalism Queen Victoria's England Military families Police officers, Firefighters and in general blue collar workers. Religious terrorism Spanish inquisition Spanish conquistadors When a soldier jumps on a grenade. Take one for the team. Theocracy Prayer in school The colonial south( USA) Imperial Japan Patriarchy Culture warriors 20th century Marxism(Eastern bloc of the iron curtain). Grand cathedral and temples and mosques. Unequal women's rights Demonizing homosexuals Marriage Statistics of blue About 40% of the adult global population is blue. And about 30% of the cultural global influence is dominated by blue. If you live in a first world democracy you might be underestimating how much blue the world is, and even how much blue your first world country is. The style of government that comes in a state with a fully stage blue citizenry is an authoritarian regime. Very order driven, no separation between church and state, very theocratic. Always has imperialistic ambitions. To check whether a nation has outgrown blue, check if it has imperialistic ambitions or not. If it wants to expand it's current territory. What triggers blue Stage Red Stage Orange Stage Green Stage Yellow Relativism and not knowing. Uncertainty. Those trigger the hell out of blue. Atheism, Secularism, Skepticism. Because this goes at the heart of everything blue stands for which is absolute truth. This calls all their ideologies into question. Relativism strips blue of all it's certainties and absolute truths that it holds so dear. It is an existential threat to them. You cannot change a stage blue person. They are also triggered by post modernism, intellectuals and academic elites. Blue is triggered by Barack Obama. (To blue Obama represents this intellectual, overly academic, overly strategic, philosophical, relativistic, complex thinker, whom is multi-cultural, cares about considering values of different societies. NO! For blue this is treason. To blue Obama is a traitor. Obama was mostly in the green stage. And blue's sworn enemy is green. Blue hates the most stage green. Space cadets, philosophers and free thinkers. Hippies Sex Rock and heavy metal Rap music Materialism, hedonism Not fasting, not respecting the fast period, or the Ramadan Moral corruption triggers blue. Change to the traditional status quo. Changing things just for the sake of changing things. Progressivism Lawless, disorder, and anarchy. When justice is not served. When sinners get away with their sins. Lack of hierarchy. Terrorism. Multiculturalism and globalism Excessive selfishness and egotism. People who aren't willing to sacrifice for the team Disrespect for the status quo. Breaking agreements or the word given. Disloyalty to their civilization. Blue is very sensitive to traitors. A traitor is someone who betray the culture blue was indoctrinated into. Blue is triggered by the questioning of the existing orthodoxy. And by people who question classic social roles. Like the role of the woman in the household. Heresy and blasphemy Science encroaching on religion, blue is extremely sensitive when it sees the secularization of society Unhealthy manifestations of blue Ideology and radical fundamentalism Very closeminded, rigid, stubborn and unwilling to evolve. Blue will be unloving to those who are not within his inner circle of blue people. Traps the mind in rigid and intolerable rigid beliefs. Belief is confused with the truth. Blue gets stuck in one paradigm and no longer can snap out of it in order to see the world from other perspectives. Very prone to mob and herd mentality. Unable to think about metaphysics. Prone to idol worship. Worships the image of Jesus rather than the more abstract and metaphorical of his teachings. Constantly under the pressure of guilt Prone to hypocrisy. Because although it preaches about morality and holy living, blue is one of the most violent, most aggressive. (You cannot substitute a belief system with genuine spiritual purification) Low tolerance for outsiders Very judgmental and demonizing. Because blue believes in objective good and evil. Can easily justify cruelty with holy scriptures Closed to innovation Blue is sexually repressed Blue societies prohibit sexual education in schools Unable to make sense of the value that other cultures exhibit Blue has a lack of intellectual curiosity about the world. Closed to mysticism and nonduality Blue can have a lot of repressed anger Racist, Homophobic and misogynistic Can be oppressive to minorities Reads sacred text way to literally Prone to black and white thinking Prone to us vs them mentality Tends to not having compassion to the weaknesses and frailties of other people Blue is way too strict with their children, often times forcing them to adopt certain customs and traditions and codes of conduct. Blue cannot see the commonality between all the cultures and all religion Blue can be excessively bureaucratic and theocratic Prone to nationalism and communism The worst excesses of blue are genocide and ethnic cleansing Stage blue sayings God gave us this land This is the way god intended it to be They will be punished in the name of Jesus Make America great again A revival of traditional values Say what you do and do what you say Just stick to the rules Actions speak louder than words Honesty is the best policy Better safe than sorry Take one for the team Blood and soil How to transcend stage blue Read very deeply about stage blue, as you read about your current stage you gain self-awareness and therefore you start to observe the limitation of your current worldview. Also read in depth about the next stage which is stage orange. The thing that keeps you stuck in blue is the fact that you resist stage orange and green so much. Stop judging orange, green and yellow. Stop judging the hippies, the progressives and the liberals Stop judging the intellectuals, the elites and the globalists. Stop judging materialism and success, stop judging homosexuality Stop judging relativism, post-modernism, mysticism, new age spirituality (You are refusing to accept evolution due to the fear of the possible excesses which comes with evolution) Stop moralizing. So long you demonizing the inner demons of others you will continue to be stuck with your own inner demons. Stop clinging to tradition, let it go! Notice that all tradition eventually dies. Start thinking for yourself. Stop thinking along the rigid lines of the dogma you have been indoctrinated into. Start to question all authority. Notice that authority is often wrong, authority is often abusive. Therefore you need to become your own authority Start to notice the limitations of religion. There are much more effective ways of practicing spirituality than religion. Start to notice abuses of the church Notice that beliefs are extremely self-deceptive and that belief is not equivalent to truth and to reality. You could never capture reality within a system of beliefs. Notice that all beliefs are ultimately false and are just a creation of the human mind and that they are relative and are there only to serve the human ego. Start to be more rebellious Notice the limitations of judgments and moralism( Notice that when you are judging others you are actually judging yourself) Start to acknowledge that reality is more relative than you ever thought and this notion of absolute truth maybe doesn't exist at all. Start to acknowledge that good and evil do not exist( Notice that what you call evil, someone else calls good, and what you call good someone else calls evil, that depends on your ego and what your agenda is) Start to question whether God exists at all. Start to question what God is. Start to question your religion and culture Start to question your culture's so called exceptionalism( If you are blue you think your culture is the best) Start to notice that the hierarchy of your civilization is repressive and how it hurts other people, especially minorities. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the people who are being hurt by the hierarchy of your civilization's caste system Notice that is more fun being independent that being reliant on a culture or a set of beliefs or traditions. Start to read self-help books about success. Stop being an anal rule keeper. Relax your rules. Develop a thirst for personal success. Start to have a desire to climb the hierarchy. To get to the top. Strive to be the best at something. Notice that separation of church and state is a good thing. Notice that secularism is a good thing. You wouldn't want to live in a theocracy. Start to study history and start to study the abuses and excesses of stage blue nations throughout history. (Study the Nazis, study Hitler, Study Soviet Russia, Communism, Stalin, study the crusades, study the Spanish conquistadors) Start to see the enslavement of other races that have happened throughout history. Read and research for yourself. Develop a student mindset where you are eager to learn about anything. Read multiple perspectives. ( The problem with blue is that it surrounds itself only with other stage blue individuals and it lives in this bubble of stage blue perspectives, thus living inside an echo chamber and this way it cannot fathom the existence of other perspectives. Go to a diverse university so you get exposed to new perspectives and cultures. Start to study science Practice radical open mindedness. Notice that reality is much more complex and nuanced rather than black and white. Embrace your feminine side more Acknowledge that humans are not superior to animals Acknowledge that men are not superior to women Acknowledge that whites are not superior to any other minority And finally the master key for transcending any stage, especially stage blue, is to practice contemplation and self-reflection. Reflect on your own behavior and analyze where you are making mistakes.

Everyone can project whatever meaning they want on the Bible depending on what beliefs and biases they have. In this case, one can project nonduality on it and pretend that the authors of the Bible were writing about nonduality and God realization. I don't know why the exact same thing couldn't be said about any other random text and why the Bible should be treated special. If I try hard enough, I can redefine enough things so that I can say that the founding fathers were actually talking about nonduality and they were trying to teach about God realization. To me, this move seems like a desperate attempt to try to maintain a Christian identity while also trying to be "spiritual" at the same time.

@Jayson G @Leo Gura Thanks. In the book Entheogenic Liberation: Unraveling the Enigma of Nonduality with 5-MeO-DMT Energetic Therapy (Paperback – July 29, 2017) by Dr. Martin W. Ball, Ph.D., (I actually spoke to him about what I was going through), I respect his work deeply. This is not meant to cast any disrespect toward his perspective in this space. However, he seems to reject any sense of story that we hold onto—meaning any process, ceremony, or preparation is, in his view, feeding the ego. His stance suggests that if we are preparing for a 5-MeO-DMT ceremony, we should not approach it with narratives that reinforce the ego, such as ritualistic preparation. That said, I do question the idea of cleansing the space and creating a container. Shamans in the jungle spend an enormous amount of time preparing their land, space, and moloka to ensure guests are as spiritually protected as possible. Frankly, I don't know how much of this translates to the realms that 5-MeO-DMT takes you to. But based on my findings over the past year, it seems that whenever you engage in something that allows your consciousness to— for lack of a better word—leave your body, it creates a kind of vacuum where things can enter. Honestly, this could all be fabricated, as I find my attraction to 5-MeO-DMT to be rooted in its purity. It seems to be the least encumbered by stories compared to other medicines. The shaman I sat with mentioned that he often has to clear a lot of stuff off people who return from the jungle. He also said that taking medicine or doing this kind of work in a busy city is equally dangerous. But I have to ask—and as part of my process, I’ll be doing a practitioner’s course—does anyone here practice preparation in terms of cleansing the space? Would love to hear your thoughts.