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God is not a guy who is watching reality, it is the reality. what exist is nothingness organizing itself into complex patterns of existence. a miracle. God is the subatomic particles that form atoms, it is the hydrogen nebulae that organize the stellar systems, and it is life, the extreme complexity. God is, and the fact of being is perfect joy. for god to be those hungry children is absolute perfection. the complexity of what a human is is unimaginable. we see everything according to what we like and dislike, this for existence is nothing, suffering has nothing negative, it is pure love, like rot, or a supernova, or cutting your nails. existence of infinite depth and absolutely perfect. We just have to realize it.

Yes. But Mary if she meditates a lot inside the dream and takes psychedelic inside the dream she can expande her small personal mind so much that it becomes the Dream-Generating Dream, she can realize that here limited mind is a facade but when she gets rid of personal ego and expands her consciousness via meditation and psychedelics she can realize the nature of a dream, that it is totally imagined by her. She can grasp how all the possibilities possible are within her Grand Mind (not her personal mind) as a potential, and that out of this Nothingness/Grand Mind everything is generated. Yes, all the experiences and all the coffee tables inside the dream of Mary are just imaginations/figments of her Mind. And she can realize that all the potentials that can be generated by her Mind is the Ultimate Reality. Yes, all the concoctions of personal mind of Mary are illusions, but her realized Grand Mind that is generating a dream is The Ultimate Reality. Yes, Mary can train herself via meditation and psychedelics inside the dream so that she sees at all time that this is a dream generated by her Mind, at which point she is Awakened and the dream becomes a lucid dream. But all of the above do not contradict Absolute Solipsism, and only make it even more probable/elegant. Leo's claim is not that there is nothing outside Mary's personal mind inside the dream. The claim is that when Mary becomes lucid during her dream, she knows for sure that her Grand Mind is the only Mind there is. That there is no other Mind generating this dream other than her own.

Okay I understand, thanks for clarifying. The issue is that lets say again that Lucy goes to sleep at night and has a dream that she is Mary. Now Mary inside the dream realizes that it is a only a nightly dream and that she creates this dream landscape in a dream with her mind. Inside the dream she meets @ardacigin and he says to her that "there is other reality, Ultimate Reality beyond this dream, the world of Lucy". But inside the dream when Mary realizes that she is Lucy and that there is a normal reality when she would wake up that is A BELIEF. That is not a direct experience. The direct experience of Mary is that this nightly dream is all there is and that currently no normal reality is "waiting for her" until she wakes up. I understand what you are saying, and I still am not sure of those insights because I need more 5meo deep trips, but if I were to steelman a Leo's position, I would say that when I sleep at night, the landscape that I generate is all there is and that for some time, this normal reality is not existing. And I don't see how you can escape that. The sovereignty of you direct experience is inescapable. Even when you have an intuitive insight/experience of this Ultimate Reality, that is still inside your mind. You can not have any experience or insight that is outside of your mind. The Nothingness is The Mind that everything is generated inside.

@HojoEasier said then done, like i never want to go back to the void again but i think that's because my ego was fighting it. In the void you're like some form of god but i think it's not the max level, in the void you instantly get all the insights about basically everything. But i remember i had a pov of this infinite being in the void that reached its limit about its existence, and also a pov from infinite "blackness/nothingness". So i had both povs. Even though i was the only one there, i feel like there is more and somebody else was still in control as when i stopped my heart i was lead through these experiences. And even in david Hawkins books void calibrates around 850, so i think even if you're in the void god is still in control. I also felt like this infinite being in the void was fully automatic that kept pushing itself into different dreams. While being this infinite red colored being, this vibrations were extremely slow and powerful. Oh now i just remembered what it represented, it represented the vein just like in your brain. Basically you were inside your own "brain" seeing that red vein vibrating and nothingness/blackness, it's like your body that you have right now is GOD but i don't know why i got pushed/shown that i was this vein/vibration in the void. It was like i was everything and everything was inside me. It's like you're a mind in nothingness that studies itself here. Yeah i think that's what void is, it's god giving you more control over your body and you are becoming this vein/vibration/energy in nothingness but it is actually somewhere in your own body. Perhaps call Leo or other members to discuss the void, and if they have any more information on that.

@Arthogaan I can only talk from my experience and understanding, i think there is only "one" in the dream which is you who will start waking up and becoming more and more conscious towards your death. All your life experiences and karma that you set yourself up with, are set for you to experience yourself and understand yourself from lower levels as gods/your thoughts only become materialized at these levels. You set it up in a way that eventually you will wake up from your dream and go back to (source) , from the source you will go back to astral. The astral is a place where the source projects itself for like 99.9% and this is where you get your own astral form, this is where you start creating things with your "original" thought. In the astral form you're nothing more then an energy creating whatever it wants in nothingness. When you become more and more conscious in the physical form is when you start judging your past actions of your previous unconscious self, and you're the only one that does the judging of yourself. But you also understand that it wasn't entirely your fault, and this is also the point where you should drastically start to improve as you start realizing that others are yourself. Jesus quotes - In Matthew 5:42 “Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.” - love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. and so on. From my understanding the way you will leave to source is you will just be catapulted with the energy of billions nukes until you're everything and you will be floating in the source in incredible ecstasy. How do i know? I actually experienced something similar 2 days ago which might be connected to your post. I was close to falling asleep when suddenly, you know how the psychedelics comeup comes when you're laying in bed? Like suddenly alot of energy get projected into you? Well i was close to falling asleep sober when suddenly i experienced a force of like 100 nukes take over my body and i thought i would be catapulted out, which felt really great. But then i stayed in my body and i got a picture shown from the movie "martyrs" it's like a tunnel that represented the source at the end. After that my body had a nice loving energy all over my body and i fell asleep. The only thing we can do, is surrender and trust in god with everything that we have. I think this is the only way.

Do you think it doesn't work like that because once you realize you're god you turn into nothingness and merge with the infinite divine will? So anything less then infinite power is however possible, right? Like for example God dreaming up Jesus, he won't have infinite power because he's the dream of god but because god dreams itself as all powerfull in manifestation that is however possible, right?

So i finally decided to take 100mg of mdma which was half the pill, and i laid on some cushions in my computer room. After 1hour i started to notice some slight effects just like on "lsd" but without the transition comeup. I tried as hard as possible to surrender while listening to music, some slight loving bodily sensation was felt for couple of minutes just like on low dose lsd and that was it. After that no matter how hard i tried to surrender, it didn't do much... I felt like this 100mg dose wasn't far from my baseline consciousness so i decided to take 200mg or a whole pill more. After taking it i decided to move to my bedroom and lay on the bed, after around 30-45min i said to myself "it doesn't work", and just when i said that the comeup came even harder then on the highest dose of lsd i ever had. The comeup was god's presence or extreme energy of becoming more conscious that sent me to another consciousness level. When this comeup came and lasted for like 10 seconds, my thoughts tell me to put on my clothes and go outside because i'm in a different timeline/consciousness right now. So i put on my clothes and look outside through every window in my house, i don't see anyone outside or hear a noise. I go to my backyard really fast and put my scooter helm on so i could drive on my scooter, i turn the scooter on and the engine starts running but when i turn the gas handle to drive forward on my scooter it doesn't work.... It's like god is preventing me to drive it, then in my thoughts i say "wtf" how is this possible and when i said that the gas handle started working again. I drive like 10meters in my backyard, and my thoughts keep preventing me from driving further. So i put the scooter back and put off my helm. I went outside and started walking, walking didn't take any effort or energy it's like i could walk forever and my body felt light or like nothingness. It was like i was an ascended master, not putting out any energy on walking. So while i was walking people appeared again, and i was witnessing how all these people and the things they were doing are god's constructs. I was the only conscious being alive, and others are me. While walking a car drove by, the car sounded extremely realistic almost like it was an imaginary construct. So i walked for like 1km/1mile not far from my parents house and suddenly out of nowhere i felt like i was dieng from extreme thirst and was about to pass out, the thrist was so extreme that i couldn't do anything anymore and i felt like running into peoples house to drink some water. While that was happening, god was showing that i could die and he can setup my death anyway he wanted. And i realized i couldn't get help because it's all god around me. I knew why god did this, and i told him please make it stop i'm dieng from thirst, i swear i'm gonna go to my parents and apologise if you make it stop. Just when i said it, suddenly the extreme thirst was gone and i felt again like an ascended master and walked towards my parents house. While walking to my parents house, i see how the things that have been said to me by others is gods doing. Like for example how my friend told me before my trip that had mdma before, that when you take it you will want to walk. Or how i've read if you take mdma you have to drink coconut water with elektrolytes because you might get thirsty. This was all god constructing reality all around me preparing me for this experience. So now i'm at my mothers house and my stepdad opens the door, then i started apologizing to him for everything that i did and then he called my mom. My mom came and i hugged her and started apologizing, while i was away for 1 year and didn't have any contact she lost all her teeth and had a heart infarct at work. My thoughts told me, that it was also her karma for the things that she did and now she is clean. We talked, and i decided to tell her what happend and how god made me come here again. Then she started talking and for the first time in my life i finally could see in her that her base consciousness was raised. She said that she went to church often and prayed that i would come back, she said that god told her that she was asking for too much. But her prayer was answered and i was forced by god to go to her house i think by making me thrist and asking me where i went. Then i started telling her about my life and the things that i experienced with god, she said that i was putting too much pressure on people with my talk because i knew so much. She said you should keep everything to yourself unless god gives you the right to teach others, she said everyone is on a different ladder of consciousness and you shouldn't interfere unless they are interested themselves. When she said that, i realized that she was right. Some people want to be where they're at, and interfering with their lives can actually put them in different situations but do they really want that? If i would force myself on my mother and show her a whole new world, that would change her life. But how would her life be after that? How would her relationship be with her stepdad? Perhaps her path would change and the relationship with her husband would change. Do i really want that? I guess god was talking through her, and i should listen to god. *Also when i was walking on mdma, i felt extreme peace every step i took. It was like i was liberated from any suffering and was just watching these people like they were part of me god and that i created them. There was 1 guy mowing his grass, i walked past him and didn't hear any sound. There were people talking to eachother and i didn't hear them, they just stared at me when i walked by. All the sound was only created when it was close to me or i allowed it to be created. Never felt such peace as i took every step. *also no teeth grinding or any other symptoms while i was on high dose of mdma, nothing... I was just myself in higher consciousness

Hi lonewanderer. I decided to take 5MeO ( Bufo) in 2020.age 37 I had never heard of psychedelics and drugs were a big no no at the time. I had embarked on finding out how to discern truth ( from the point of view about winning an argument about the non existence of god with a Christian). Ironically I ended up dissolving my reality during a meditation and came face to face with ‘infinity’. I had heard Leo talking about 5MeO on his videos while I was looking at them from a philosophy 101 perspective and so I went and read about what other people were saying about the drug. That it could induce the experience of no self and a state of awareness prior to reality. And so I tried it to make the comparison with my natural experience. With the exception of the intense energy, the experience was the same. Near death, no body, no perception, just a swirl of being nothingness. I had done a lot of contemplation and intellectual deconstruction before ever taking any psychedelic so I was able to observe without getting caught up in it. It is very intense especially for a first time psychedelic experience. In order to take it I had to go to an ayahuasca ceremony which I had no interest in. The ayahuasca didn’t really do anything for me but opened up a connection with other people. I’ve done 5MeO four times and I really don’t get anything from it other than this state. everyone’s preferred medicine or tool is different. I do a lot of my contemplation work with mushrooms and if I want to go further into the god head… strangely it is cannabis that does it for me ( only done it twice but most profound realisations have come from that) I can’t advise for or against other than to be careful as Bufo doses too high can be dangerous. if I’m talking to someone who’s curious about psychedelics I usually say to start with a low dose of mushrooms while being supervised by an experienced sitter just so you can learn to navigate the space comfortably.

(Manifest) Reality is also clearly biased: Despite the physical universe winding down towards more Entropy (or basically every energy/matter evenly mixed and distributed), on pretty much every other level it winds up: Evolution from atoms to molecules to bacteria to plants to animals to humans, from stoneage to larger neoltihic groups, to ancient states and empires, industrial age, information age, and onwards to a completely unforeseeable future. Upload to some subtle realms , infinite other dimensions to be explored, and all that stuff. We are not walking on a planet where there have been 500 civilizations that all failed, blown themselves up in nuclear war, and started again in stone age. Such a game is possible, in which we would dig out ruins that we know nothing about, since they are the 462 restart of 4 millions years ago, where no informations have survived what happened but only some stone ruins. No, this here is the first try, and its still running fine and progressing with incredible speed. Manifest Reality (from everything we see) is clearly biased to "winding up", towards evolution, more complexity, transcendence and love. Ken Wilber calls this drive/tendency of the Universe Eros. Reaching a level of complexity where it also can actually realize itself, happening a long time ago with the first Truly Nondual Realizers (Plotinus, Parmenidies, Nagarjuna, and so on). Infinity/Unmanifest/Nothingness, Big Bang/Involution (see Wilber for Involution), Evolution, trip back home, and once more. The big game of hide and seek. That (Eros, Evolution) is one aspect of reality. An other deep aspect is the unconditional love (Agape) that also runs through the fabric of reality, creating and sustaining all beings on every level. All of us, right here, right now, with incredible complexity. I agree that for example the Assyrians in their attempt to build one of the first really large empires that encompassed many kingdoms and tribes were sometimes very cruel. Reality can not intervene in a physical universe and send some guardian angel from the sky. That would break the game immediately. But is that cruelty still in fashion? It is mostly frowned upon by nearly all people nowadays. That cruelty is not the main tendency of reality. It is the complexity of evolution that sometimes goes sour, of separate beings sacrificing fellow beings for their "Atman-projects", building empires as surrogates for transcendence, as Ken Wilber calls it. And yet, as we see when we look back, these empires were necessary for a larger integration and unity, at least in certain ways. Wilber, Up from Eden: A Transpersonal View of Human Evolution. I think you would like the book. And you are also right in the following aspect: As we see, despite the Horror story, Absolute Reality didn't get broken. "IT" has no moving parts that could get broken. In that way, it didn't care, since it didn't suffer, only contained suffering. That is the Absolute perspective. But when we consider it from a relative perspective (which we do as soon as we think about these events), we can also consider that most aspects and mechanisms of relative reality on the manifest/relative level in fact do wind up (not down), and in a way do care a lot that winding up, evolution, growth/development towards more love, or in general the way home, happens. Water by the River

Pure effortless awareness is very important in everyday “meditation” (let’s call it self-remembering). As soon as “you” lose the awareness, the flow starts to construct “you” on autopilot. But if the awareness is there, five senses are drowning in the perception. “I” starts to dissolve. What do I mean here by “awareness”? When “you” acknowledge any mind activity within, any thought. “You” literally acknowledge how the mind creates and assigns “I”, “me”, “my” and/or “mine” to any activity at play. It always speaks in a possessive case, rather than subjective and objective. When “you” lose this effortless awareness, the thought process starts to create "you" as a separate individual. As soon as this happens, even right at this second, “you” cannot catch and notice it anymore. Now "you" have been formed as a human being. Human being is an illusion. Practice the following: total full relaxation. Thoughts come and go. Notice them and let them go before they start to construct a human being. Before they capture, curve this “I” and start to develop an individual with a story line within space and time. (None of these exist in actuality) You are a collection of thoughts, please notice it. You do not exist as a human without language and conceptual knowledge. Ultimately everything boils down to 5 senses. Remove language. Conceptual level forms you as a human being. All “you” have to do is to develop enough attention to notice this. There is no one at home, nothingness....and "you" do not exist.

You must really love your life if that worries you. I mean, yeah, you're gonna die at some point. Doesn't have to be negative, in fact, it is necessary... you don't want the hell that would be immortality in human form. Do you not look forward to death at all? I romanticize the idea of dying peacefully and becoming a gentle nothingness where I can sleep for eternity as the Universe disappears with me. Just typing it alone makes me feel warmness and love

In order to sustain ITSELF (illusion of body +time +space), conceptual thinking is necessary. Once it is seen as it is, it will fall apart, collapse and deconstruct. NOTHINGNESS. It will “exist” as unseen, unfathomed, infinite potential. IT WONT EXIST AT THE SAME TIME. Non-existence is impossible. It can not be registered. NON-EXISTANCE can only be fathomed in existence. THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

Let's think logically for a minute. IF! as you claim, God is NOTHINGNESS, why would it care to ascribe any meaning to what is? How can nothingness reclaim its power? if whatever you say is true, there is some entity within NOTHINGNESS which wants to reclaim its power. what is this entity? How can NOTHINGNESS contain or control rather than create EVERYTHING as IMAGINATION and ascribe meaning to what is and how it appears to ITSELF. Meaning is a byproduct of thinking.

What are atoms made out of? What are the things that atoms are made out of made out of? At some point, you reach the unknown, or nothingness, or infinite regress, which means there is nothing to limit it. For every limitation you can identify, there is the unlimited lurking in the background.

Mind has a tendency to grade and sort. There are no such things as multiple dimensions. There is ONLY ONE "thing". You are not your body, correct. Body is being dreamt. You are the whole entire EXPERIENCE. THE WHOLE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE! which includes and creates body through five senses. None of these senses are real but rather imaginary. And that thing that is having experience is ultimately NOTHINGNESS. In order to see this, you need to go through multiple steps. You need to train your mind to retain ONLY one thought "I AM". You need to train your attention. Concentration is a great tool. Conceptual thinking MUST be disrupted in order to become "IT". Without this, it is impossible. however, if you are diligent enough, you can awaken to your true nature withing 3-6 months. Atma vichara is a great tool.

All I just said ^ is the cosmological version of the ontological first statement in the thread "there will always be something". Neither our world (cosmological) nor any possible world (ontological) are contingent unless they are intended, the latter is necessary through either 1. direct experience (suddenly in my case) or logically (by reference to experiences as negating the logical condition of a pure absence/nothingness). But is it as necessary that if the world were contingent it should be intended, as it is contingent if it were intended? Can we argue that our world is itself necessary? Can we extend the ontological argument into the cosmological? We really have no other alternative than god vs necessity in relation to its peculiarity/identity, so which is it? Everything Im saying here sounds fancy and philosophical, but it really isn't, it desire is as simplistic as what humans have been doing for hundred of thousands of years, it only is in addition self aware of where it derives its god-concept. It does not treat god as a question until it knows what it wishes to ask through it, it does not ask it until it knows why. It leaves nothing open except for whether there is intention and therefrom the possibility of higher purpose to our existence.

From what i have understood the void/emptiness is a representation of gods limit, all existence leads to gods limit. The limit is gods question how it came to be, and why at the highest level it's the only existence. I think this is what void represents. Like in the void i was this infinite vibration/energy but i was just a tiny thing in this infiite void that was all around. It was like this is where everything starts. But the thing that i also understand, is that i was lead by higher power/energy to this void and it started with something showing me my heart beating twice so i could go to that place. I also have experienced/seen how much power i had just by mere thoughts, it was like i was god for some time. From what i understand and have seen is that there is some being/energy/vibration that keeps splitting itself constantly into different dreams of itself forever, in that state there is only "you" and you're the only chooser. It's basically like every single person that exist chose his own dream from that level and i also had a feeling that it operated like an AI and did everything automatically that was best for it. I think being infinite in nothingness is what god tries to avoid, it rather have an experience at all times then to be there for infinity. That's also the reason why god is so fascinated with death.

The times that I have experienced emptiness is with 5meo, and it is: absolute, there is no me, there is nothing, there is only a well of infinite emptiness, and that is all. utter nonsense horror. The second time that happened to me, I thought, well this is what I had to see, you have to accept, not force things, integrate, blah blah, and after 2 minutes I put more than 20 mg in the pipe without weighing it, I don't know how much, I gave it fire and thought: show me the truth or kill me. and inside. reality exploded . Let's say the void opens. emptiness is the ultimate limitation. when it opens it is the unthinkable: infinite, and you are that, you always have been. I got up and saw what this moment was, what my body was, everything was obvious, the joy was total, without the slightest stain. Total freedom. dance, perfection. the infinite is not floating in nothingness, it is nothingness, and everything. nothingness does not surround it, nothing can surround it, it has no limit. it is unthinkable. Now the work is to understand how to realize deeper what we are. Break the barriers that keep us imprisoned. For now, If I do a medium dose of 5meo, the experience is infinite emptiness, nothing. the work is to become that and not be horrible. it is not. it is horrible because we have horror vacui, it could be extremely pure. is in the infinite void where the key is, but it is not something that can be articulated in thought. It's something I still don't understand, just beginning, but it's fascinating

@puporing Basically i was like the only conscious being that vibratated extremely slow and powerfully in the darkness/nothingness all around me, all life/existence was inside me. This is very scary, you rather have an experience and eat shit then be in the infinite nothingness and be at this level where you're like the only conscious being. How did you experience this heaven/everythingness as you? @Breakingthewall The thing that gets me everytime is that just how you see the world with your eyes open, i was looking like that at my heart with my eyes closed. I could slow it down or make it go faster, but i knew that i had to stop it. 1st time i couldn't do it and i go up from laying, second time i lay again and close my eyes and god against shows me my heart beating. Then i pierced it, and i got into this void. I was like the only/most conscious being that has ever existed, which was so scary.

IT is available any time, and most of the time it is always there without doing anything. If the character gets annoying and tries to generate bad emotions via suffering (which has reduced tremendously anyway), "I" just look into it, see what "I" really am, what the "substance" of the character trying to close down/feel bad really is, and the bug is dead and transcended again. Goes from "oh, that is not good"-character-arising to a small voice somewhere in the background unable to grip attention, and the field again nondual and infinite without center. The arisings of the separate self just stop, don't get believed anymore, loose their hypnotic power, because it feels way better and the "choice" is there. Yet, my functional character works better than ever. Less filters, more intuition, much more bliss, love and compassion. What would it be worth if it wouldn't be always available? Its actually too good to be true, besides being true. @Arthogaan wrote that a bit more direct experience description is appreciated, which I understand. Which I don't often do, because here is already enough ego-bravado, so I tend to write more on the neutral and technical side. But at the same time, sometimes it is probably good to write a bit more about direct experience. Besides, when I write technical descriptions, I write it from own experience and understanding, and use the best sources I know to show how similiar the deep structure is over various systems and paths. Water by the River PS: And a more technical description, using an analogy: Before fully realizing what one really is (Impersonal Infinite Consciousness/Awareness/Nothingness without a second), one doesn't really know that 2 +2 is 4. One intuits maybe that it is more like 3,9 than 8,5. One intuits that it is eternal (always here), nondual, infinite, mere appearance (lets say thats 4.5). But its not fully impersonal, some individuality of being a separate "anything" (although already an aware nothing) being still there. Ones Deep Identity is not obviously fully it, because that Realization is still missing. Roger Thisdells Videos stage 4 and stage 5 are the best material I am aware of to describe that subtle (but absolutely deciding) difference. But once knowing ones True Nature (when it becomes really nondual, fully impersponal, yet at the same time really the Whole Reality), one knows exactly that 2 +2 is 4, always has been, always will be, and can't be different. There is no more doubt about. Couldn't be. Doubt is moving within Oneself, it doesn't make sense, one knows its structure as moving arising appearing (doubt-) thought. Reality is directly known and understood by BEING it. Infinite Consciousness/Reality understands/realizes its own essence/being. There is nothing else besides "it", and nothing else that is or could be aware. So it can only be known by being it, the boundless infinite nondual Totality. The first time realizing 2 + 2 is 4 is a direct and unmistakenable realization/experience into THAT which is (and was) always here and the case. The magic word is fully impersonal, fully empty, separate self fully transcended/dead/gone. That is the common denominator of all Full Enlightenment Experiences/Realization descriptions. They all use different surface language, that is the deep structure element in all of them. If that is missing, it is one of the preliminary Enlightenment/Awakening Experiences on the path leading to the Full Realization/Shift. And after knowing/realizing 2+2 is 4, that knowing is always available in case one gets sloppy and the character tries to create some confusion or suffering. I look into the character-arisings, see there Nature/Substance, which is the same unnameable Suchness of Everything, of Reality, and 2+2 is 4, the character bug is dead again, and doesn't cause suffering. So in that way, it is always available (it is and was there all along anyway), and one reorients the whole character to constantly stay in that. In Ken Wilbers Words: From Peak Experience to Plateau to Permanent (which holds for all transformation stages). But once 2 + 2 = 4 is known, then the separate self character just burns like ice in the desert. Maybe that is a bit helpful. PS PS: And of course, lets not forget, only @Bazooka Jesus is AWAKE. The ONE and ONLY.

Yes. Let me allow to hijack the post Beyond the "no-self" of no biographical self/ego self there are some more "encompassing" "higher" no-selfs. Or better said: Some stages of much more empty no-selves. First personality/biographical self/"ego" goes (1) then time goes: Always here Mind, time is just a concept (2) Then the locatedness of being in the body for example goes: one is the whole visual field, or beginning nonduality (3) then that becomes infinite. Anything that could appear appears in boundless Reality/Infinite Consciousness. (4) Then we have personality/egoless (1), timeless (2), boundless/nondual (3) and infinite (4). All of these are Awakenings/Enlightenments. But not the Full Enlightenment/Waking Up. But then there is even a murky no-self still there: It is nothing, totally empty, but still some individuality/separation still there, moving as I-thought/I-feeling on Reality/Oneself. This here: IN that state (1)+(2)+(3)+(4), when all last traces of individuality are seen moving within onself (that takes time), then the Big Bang or Waking Up or Full Enlightenment can happen, where one actually becomes Reality, no more questions left. And Infinite Absolute Reality/Infinite Consciousness/Nothingness can be described as (True) No-Self (since no individuality is left splitting Reality in two), or as Self (because all possible worlds appear in it). Then You ARE Absolute Reality (everything that shows or could ever appear, and all beings/perspectives), but no longer confuse a separate individual part for your true self. I have written about that before in previous posts, one can search for examle if one is so inclined for Basis Enlightenment in my posts. The problem quite often here on this forum, and with the effect of some of Leos teachings: Thinking one has realized No-Self, while one has NOT achieved True No Self, but some of the preliminary versions of No-Self (see above), boosted by psychedelics, and including a lot of higher realm stuff accessed with that. Nothing too bad with that, if it is just a step/stage, is just not the end of the story, and doesn't end suffering. Or worse: Not even having had the Awakenings (1)-(4), and just conceptually boosting the separate self and equating it with God/Reality. Problem of these stages: Instead of finally transcending/killing the separate self, these moves boost it. And most important: Only @Bazooka Jesus is awake. I mean, come on, that mother of declaration of AWAKE can not be topped, so I think that is something we can all agree on Selling Water by the River PS: To make it a bit more practical: Ever dreamt you were somebody/something completely different? Or dreamt of being just an empty camera not self-reflective at all, just watching, thinking and reflecting nothing? That is pretty near. Infinite Consciousness is totally empty, just aware. Can take any feeling/thinking of being anything, anyone, anybody. It is empty, impersonal, so that it is compatible to any mindstream. "IT" is already the Awareness of all Beings. YOU! Already. But not what you think you are. Only an empty Awareness can be in the perspectives/mindstreams of other beings/perspectives, not the "loaded" mindstream of a being that still feels separate (has ego-arisings the cause the illusion of being something specific/separate). Imagine being somebody/something completely different. An Alien. A cat. And YOU, your Awareness is still there. And nothing really is lost if such a shift were to happen. So nothing is lost, just the illusion that all the thinking/feeling brings, moves, in you. And besides this Awareness/Nothingness, nothing is, was, ever will be. THIS is also all appearances, Consciousness appearing as appearances, nondual. IT is Reality itself. And to fully get/understand that, ALL identity has to go. Impersonal, Fully Empty Awareness. Nondual and infinite, timeless, always here, never not possible being not here. Anything possible necessarily appearing in IT/YOU. And the True One/You are still there... Impersonal. Silent. Infinite. Aware. Timeless. Containing all appearances. Nothing besides it. One without a second. Reality itself.

Hello. I am posting here because I am looking for a specific video on the YouTube channel that I cannot find. I remember that in this particular video Leo goes on to make a quite extensive list of different words from various cultures that all mean "nothingness" or "unity" or something like that. Can anyone help me find this video. Thanks.

@Leo Gura who is it most suitable for? Someone who is ready to shred reality to pieces or someone serious about enlightenment? Or do you see it suitable for normal people too (with some understanding and use of psychedelics ) ? Trips on 5meo seems so mixed up I can’t really tell how some people awaken to “the universe is made out of love!” and others saying “it’s just blank nothingness and you end up not enjoying it”

1-there is no empirical evidence that you gonna die someday in the future. There is no empirical evidence that there will be a future. In fact ..the universe might just disappear completely and turn into a black blank void of nothingness just the next moment . There is no glue that is holding everything together. Yet..miraculously..everything is alright and functions very well. 2- synchronicities which we all take for granted.. like the fact that we miraculously find a job..the planets are miraculously holding themselves together etc this graceful flow of consciousness might break down and devolves into a disruptive stream. Chaos rather than graceful transition of form. Existence is like a house of cards..yet all of us treat it like its not made of cards but made of concrete. And we somehow think realizing the dreamy nature of form will somehow make us immune to suffering if that dream collapses. Existence is flowing extremely gracefully right now. The fact that you can sanely sit here and read this post takes beyond infinite amount of grace. All of your billions of cells working perfectly together..form that the finite mind is looking through is holding its solidity and only changes slightly..your work colleagues call you at paced times. even if you complain.. your ego destructs at an extremely peaceful and good pace along the path. Your memories are perfectly in sync with each other and with form. All of this is extremely malleable. You're a nano meter away from all of that grace just crashing and chaotically imploding on itself. Its a house of cards..not concrete.

At what level would you interpret the saying? I understand the importance of taking the saying as it feels natural to me, however, I still seek your point of view on it. Taking time away to sit in nothingness is powerful but take too little or too much time to do and there would be consequences. So, maybe what I'm asking is, what do you recommend in terms of getting the clarity on what you really want? I think it's still useful to go above experimenting and seeing what I like and don't like, even if I do figure out my core desire/s to avoid becoming stagnant. Even so, it seems that overall you're alluding to a mix of both time in nothingness and time in conscious experimentation no?