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Sorry to see you go. Take care of yourself and I hope your health improves. I never said alien stuff is a final stance. It's just an aspect of consciousness I discovered.

Bye guys, i cant take being here anymore. Leo's vibe and stances as a teacher are just too harsh for me. What he said in the monkey torture video thread was the last straw; the fact that you simply have to accept that you will go through all kinds of torture for eternity just for the sake of it, its simply unnacceptable to me that this is the best idea that God has and that reality is this way. Theres no rhyme or reason about it. Im already suicidal and if there is no consequence to my action in the eternal sense, which is the case if there is just infinite reincarnation, there is absolutely no reason not to kill myself right now, maybe there will be some karma but that means absolutely nothing if you will just be reincarnating forever as everything imaginable anyway. Basic personal development is also pretty much over for me due to health issues, i cant date or socialize for the most part, which is the biggest driver of my nihilism and suicidal ideation. I simply can't fathom the fact i have to suffer all this bullshit for absolutely no reason, if there is infinite reincarnation there is absolutely no meaning to any of your suffering or anything at all, including any awakening, since you are bound to fall asleep again, also there is an infinite depth to awakening that can never be reached, I mean Leo claimed to have had the deepest awakening 5 years ago, which he now dismisses as "human", even though he claimed in that awakening he transcended all notions of being human etc. Why should we believe this alien stuff is the final station now? It made me realize i fell into the trap of believing his stuff, when , it is all super contradictiory, another example of this is that in the 30 day 5meo video he said that in his final days of tripping he discovered a "2nd dimension" of awakening, what is that even supposed to mean, he never even mentioned it after that video, when you would think such a thing would be absolutely massive in consequence to metaphysics. It all just feels very snake oily looking back on it. Hence I will soon be converting to Islam, it makes the most sense to adapt that worldview, precisely because as humans we know nothing, but realize the infinite potential of reality and the eternity of the soul, if you only know those things Islam makes the most sense imo, it also makes sense of the suffering since this life is seen as a test, to eventually potentially make you reach infinite liberation and redemption of your manhood. I can also place my fear of hell in the worldview and work with it, it just feels natural to me. Im still blessed to be priviliged to be in university and have a great chance of getting a remote job that i can work with my health conditions, so i can probably get some nice income and move somewhere where theres a sufi order and live the sufi life, give most of my income to the poor and just live a life of worship and meditations. Its better than going fully hermit and fits my new conclusions about metaphysics and religion. Thanks Leo first and foremost, for all the amazing content, i would never have this respect and amazement for reality and life where it not for you. It seems you dont really care for my takes on this forum but that is okay. May your health issues and suffering ease. When my issues were starting in 2022 Leo was even so kind to gift the life purpose course to me. Harsh as he is, Leo is an extremely generous soul and he wishes the best for everyone. That is why when the new course will come out, I will pay for one course for one of you who cant afford it. When its time, PM me and i will do a raffle and pay for one. Ill log back in when its out to do this raffle. Thanks all the other ppl on this forum, Osaid, Princess Arabia, Emerald, Someone Here, Nilsi, Docwatts, and so many cool others here, this forum truly is a place like no other. Godspeed to all of you. i have enjoyed and learned so much from seeing yall speak and grow. Im sorry for my wacky and sometimes resentful posts in the past, if i posted something wacky it was mostly as a reaction to my own ego because i was so frustrated that i was no longer able to fulfill my egoic desires due to my issues. I hereby request @Osaid and confirm to have all my prior posts hidden except this one. I will end my journey here by sharing my favorite videos of Leo, one metaphysical and one about life. An absolute classic, that forms the basis of all spirituality and consciousness work, and is absolutely necessary to begin working towards any kind of truth. An amazing exposition of our conditioned mind and assumptions, and all other metaphysics are to be derived from this realization. My favorite video, the way Leo pulls out from you, your hidden and inner wonder for life, and reveals the wonders of life, how much is possible, how magical life and reality really is, i cant really describe whats so good about this video. It reveals to you the numbed , boring and fearful conditioning that you have lived with your whole life, the fact you know and knew nothing, and pulls it all together in an extremely practical video for all to see. This vid made me feel like this world is home, that zelda feeling like there truly is magic in the world. With this, i say you all goodbye. Godspeed.

Evil forces and entities are as real (or unreal) as your toaster. Rumour has it that some alien dark entities like to eat mental sanity for breakfast Hic sunt Dracones by the River (translation according to forum guidelines: There can be hungry Nessie in the infinite Loch Ness smiling at poor unsuspecting pioneering psychonauts munching away health on all levels of Maslows Pyramid)

As rats. Every human is a rat relative to Alien Mind.

@Leo Gura you mean their minds aren't flexible enough, they don't have enough mastery over their minds to connect with alien mind?

But there are other high states which I wouldn't call alien per se. Alien Mind is a domain you sorta have to invent for yourself. Most people simply don't have enough requisite variety to invent it. A Buddhist is not going to invent Alien Mind because he is paradigm-locked into Buddhism.

btw @Leo Gura isn't alien consciousness just any state of consciousness different from the standard state of consciousness experienced by the human vehicle, and maybe also the vehicle of animals and insects ?

That's why you put on some music or movie and let your subconscious alternate alien selves calm you down

I thought "Leo hasn't reached Spiral Dynamics Stage Wacky yet, he's still stuck in Alien Expansion" I was wrong

1. Haven't you heard the news, there's no way the Singularity will take past 2050! 2. Those reasons are excellent, just gotta find out how to arrange my neurons to speed it up! 3. If I'm not Alien God at that point, I will arrange my cremated ashes to be mixed with a shit ton of 5-MeO!

I can imagine, x8 is made of so much love! x9 is just fascinating and don't even get me started past x10! But I won't take away too much of God's yarn of infinity just yet, even if it is infinite, I'll let Leo explain it. I draw the line at Spiral Metanics Stage 3 After that, you're just an Alien God screwing around 😂 At that point, you're at the same level as the Alien God who created you when he did and in whose dream you exist. Of course, that God will be something completely different at that point, having itself evolved past ever higher levels.

At this point I've had several deep awakenings to solipsism and its mechanisms, but perhaps at the cost of ever having a romantic/intimate relationship. It just feels so strange now. As to why this type of relationship specifically and not others, I can think of a couple reasons - one is simply force of habit, prior to the awakenings I've had lots of experience with family, friendship, and regular social interactions, but never anything beyond short-lived school crushes. Two is I never particularly craved that type of relationship to begin with, I'm 23 and never had a girlfriend, which doesn't bother me at all. Three is the unique intimacy these entail. I'm also highly introverted, but have no trouble interacting with people after doing lots of development work. I find it's generally simpler to talk to men, but women are just fine too in normal contexts. Whereas with 'game', after watching Leo's 3-part series and some other pickup advice out of curiosity, I've found no way to make it authentic for myself. Put together, these factors now make romantic relationships seem very alien (speaking from the dualistic human perspective here). I'm open to the possibility this is all a bias/limiting belief in my head, though I'm completely certain I have no hidden insecurities about my looks or social skills, so it's not that kind of problem. In my latest trip I pretty much accepted that it's a sacrifice I had to make to experience God's Love, one I'd gladly give a million times over as nothing 'earthly' can compare. Not looking for a solution per se, but I am interested how others with similar spiritual experiences handle this aspect of their lives, might give me a missing hint, as I wouldn't want to miss out on something potentially nice due to ignorance. Thanks for reading.

The last trip shook me up! Haven't tripped since but I gotta meet the Machine Elves at some point! It seems so because I integrated all my trips. Trust me, if I tripped "24/7", I'd be an alien at this point! It took me months but I've transmuted the traumatizing solipsistic angst, now I'm having fun with it. Across all holarchies and levels of reality, sure, but don't let that discourage you from living life fully! Besides, "brains" are imaginary (except for when they're not), what I wanna do is jailbreak-evolve it! You see, any perspective you hold is a limiter, even Solipsism, you have to include and transcend! Oh, he absolutely is, but what's really confusing is that his "genetics" bottleneck his Alienhood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Bonus: "Insanity" is like a Pokemon, gotta catch them all!

That reminds me more of my 75g truffle, mega-disso, and strong synthetic cannabinoid trips. You're thrown through exponential magnitudes of holarchies until nothing makes sense anymore. The hellish part for me really were the time loops that resulted from incoherent cognitive integration. Which only really makes sense, when you're completely thrown out of all contexts and embodiment. My last trip included lots of perceptual morphing and self-reconstruction but fewer alien infinities. It was more about figuring out accelerationistic reality-transcendence and construct-embodiment. Actually, just one or two days before that I managed to establish a UI to channel alien metaphysics. Endless and absolutely endless videos of billions of concepts, so ubiquitous, that I just gave up

Imagine a parallel reality where some aliens call a car a cat and a cat a car. You just need to change t for r or you can even call it a zat or a wat, language is distintcion making device. We take language for granted because we have familiarity with it and is usefull to survival. Imagine going to a grocery store and not knowing how to ask a bread with butter? Or not knowing the words to seduce a girl. You would not survive and reproduce. And at same time cats eat and reproduce not needing verbal categories or this or that. I have some crazy dreams where I dream with creatures I never ever saw in my life. No name for them. I have visions in Ayahuasca that I can describe,Alien worlds, all passing by my field of vision. I got used to the wacky visions so much that I have no attachment with any of them, so I can keep attention to the watcher observer, yes is always me watching,felling,hearing,smelling etc.. and also me giving names to nameless

ZOMG, is this Alien Jesus? Come on Texas, let’s goo!!!

God spawn me into a tree but I am a man. I use my meditative powers to blow the tree up I am free. A group of people see a random tree blow up and a man is standing there. I command them to worship me but they refuse and think I am a demon.I pick one up with telekinesis and throw him into the sky I tell their friend they have 30 seconds to change their mind or their friend dies. They change their mind and as their friend comes back to earth I use my telekinesis to catch him and lower him slowly to the ground it looks to them like he is falling slowly and safely. They build me a pyramid and I go inside and and God sends a ray of light into my forehead and I turn into an alien. Im the alien from alien vs predator now and I go into the mother ship and they assign me to work the lower deck of the ship. I meet another alien there and we hit it off. Im a female alien and I give the other alien a bj with my little alien mouth.

Hi @Ero I have a bit of experience with Salvia. You need to understand that nothing can prepare you for a Salvia breakthrough, there is just no point of reference or simile with your past experiences. This is very important to drill inside your mind, gotta surrender, gotta open and trust, gotta be open minded and keep it cool and grounded. Important considerations: It's very common to forget you took Salvia or any type of drug. You may forget you are tripping, you are left with your experience as it is, that's Reality now and no tracing back will explain it, you are there, be with it. Salvia is unpleasent. It's just what it is. Salvia does many things to your body, one of them is it triggers the opiod withdrawal recepter, so there is a background uneasiness to the experience. This is just normal, one has to get used to it. Every Salvia psychonaut accepts this reality and keeps exploring. Consider it as a cold shower, it is shocking and brutal while also being benefitial. There is wildly different levels of tolerance between individuals. This means, same quantity two people try one feels nothing the other is convulsing on the ground. Which one of the two may be you? Who knows, so start slow and keep going. Salvia is the backdoor of death. An important number of users report profound death experiences, some people not, others sometimes and the rest always go through the death process. This is extremely valuable and good, however you need to be prepared. It's shocking and you may think now I'm a macho and spiritual guy with many ego deaths on my belt, I'm sure I can handle it. I thought the same. The come up is hella quick, so literally prepare everything for the hit ( with torch fire and preferably cooling through water) you gotta hold a considerable ammount of time ( at least 15 seconds) at one point body will stop working, be prepared for that, you are for a rocket come up, relax and trust. Salvia is good and loving, it's just crazy. If you're crazy you may fall in love with it also. If you have doubts, I'm open for more conversation. I consider this an important topic and hope to provide helpful advice for navigating what I consider, the most mindblowing alien substance I have ever tried. Here is a trip I shared some time ago in the forum

Etheric Body Energy Resonance Levels but that's just basic Yogic Sutras! 😁 Then again, it's an ongoing debate, Leo would argue in spectrums of Alien Awakenings ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And each community member has their own metrics, we need a standardized system first...

@Leo Gura I'm absolutely certain you haven't watched the video. It's actually a beautiful cutting edge example of a functional person that lives in an unique, alternative and above average state of consciousness that is capable of describing his experience in an eloquent and intelligent way. It's a gem. Most people like that are in a mental institution. Conflating this one with simply Multiple personality disorder or labeling it as weird brain states and conditions is actually a very materialistic perspective and doesn't do this case justice, and holds metaphysical assumptions, like that memory or personallity are held within the brain/genetics, where maybe its a similar strange-loop scenario of how Consciousness or Intelligence isn't only a byproduct of the brain but the other way around. Thats fair, but you yourself have said that Consciousness can hide stuff from itself. I feel that the mechanism of "hiding" has a degree, and it can hide some things much stronger than others. And It hides different things to different "people" to different degrees. I feel strong Faith is needed to truly test a hypothesis during serious contemplation for the sake of Understanding. For example, Ralston doesn't understand Love, and he has stopped looking or taking the concept seriously because he's so firm on his position. If he truly held the hypothesis with serious Faith that God=Love=Infinity=You , and not just loosely, perhaps he would eventually have stumbled upon it in his direct experience. Or perhaps Consciousness can hide some things from particular Selves ( Souls ) FOREVER, no matter how hard they look, like alien consciousness and beyond being hidden from the average buddhist. So Ralston would never realize Love and you will never realize what a Soul is, because it doesn't exist in your particular direct experience. Anyways, I have a hunch that Souls don't exist in your reallity because you have happened to jump to the endgame understanding of the Nature of Reallity and what " You" are, which is Solipsism, but Souls are at a lesser level of the Russian dolls of what " You " are. You have spoken about the Concept of " Avatar before. I feel it's at the same level as a Soul. It fits in wonderfully with the Infinty of God's hypothesis. An example of souls would be machine elves or different entities people experience during astral projection or psychedelics. Or the example in the video. Or just literally OTHER PEOPLE Note you don't experience these entities either- coincidence? My question to you is what if, in the same way as Consciousness and Intelligence is not generated by the brain, but is entangled with it in a strange-loop manner, personallity and memory are entangled with the brain and genetics with a " Soul " ? Why does personallity and memory have to be generated and stored solely in the brain ? What if the Soul determines genetics and personallity? What would a trans-materialistic explanation of personallity look like? If Souls exist but you don't have direct experience of them, for now, or perhaps never, what would be your best hypotesis/hunch for explaining them? Is overly relying on direct experience a bias that hinders the Understanding of the Nature of Reallity? What if things are true but you can't experience them?

What do you mean with Alien awakening?

@LambdaDelta Thanks, will keep the taste in mind! @Sho fio I had set 'alien' as my directive during that trip and what I experienced subsequently was on a cosmic scale. Best I can describe it to you is I became a Kardashev scale 2-3 entity, taming stars and receiving guidance on the fundamental missing piece in the contemporary paradigm.

@EroWhat do you mean with Alien awakening?

I got my hands on a lot of Salvia basically for free. I am planning on smoking it with a pipe. Set and setting are all in order. I have about 30 trips, last one I had was 300 ug of LSD about a month ago: it was a top 3 experience - an alien awakening which set the foundation for what I am exploring now as a technical paradigm for my thesis - chaos, entropy, order. I am aware salvia is quite different in that regard - rather than dialling up consciousness, it distorts and morphs it, but nonetheless I am committed on trying it. Any tips and directions from fellow psychonauts are welcome.

The first part would be a good reason, Leo is all about discovering the alien But I agree with the second point, that it probably won't go anywhere and start looping