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I have created this post with the help of chatGPT, curious what you guys think of this. I have translated this text from slovenian with a tool without proofreading it yet, so there might be some typos. The "Us vs. Them" mentality is like a poison that is slowly but surely spreading through the veins of society. ☣️ At first sight it may seem harmless, even beneficial. After all, isn't it natural to connect more with those who are like us? 🤔 To trust people with whom we share values, beliefs or culture? But this apparent safety in our own group quickly becomes a trap. ⚠️ Once we start to perceive the world through the lens of "us" and "them", a series of negative consequences are triggered that can have a profound impact on society. ⛔ Examples of such mentalities: The Awakened versus the Un-awakened, The system versus the source, Darkness versus Light, Adherents of one religion against adherents of another religion, Human biorobots without consciousness against the original essences of consciousness, Materialists against Spiritual seekers, Sceptics against Believers, Ego-oriented against Soul-oriented, Religious vs. Spiritually Independent, Those who follow dogma against those who follow intuition, Those who seek external validation against those who seek inner truth, People who believe in karma versus those who believe in chance, Those who believe in reincarnation versus those who believe in a single life, Adherents of traditional rituals versus followers of new practices New Age spiritual teachers against traditional spiritual leaders. Once we begin to see the world through the lens of "us" and "them", a series of negative consequences are triggered that can have a profound impact on society. First, there is polarisation. Instead of looking for commonalities and building bridges, we start focusing on differences. Dialogue turns into argument, cooperation into competition. Society is divided into opposing camps that see each other as enemies, not fellow human beings. Imagine a group of people who feel threatened by the unknown. The group begins to coalesce and build an identity based on the distinction from "them". This "us versus them" thinking brings a sense of security, because we are part of something bigger that protects us from external threats. However, this sense of security is based on an illusion that blinds us and prevents us from seeing the commonalities between ourselves and others. This polarisation = fertile ground for conflict. Where once there might not have been a spark of disagreement, now there is a fire of hatred. Small differences become insurmountable barriers. Misunderstandings turn into battles ⚔️. And in this climate of tension ⚡ and mistrust ❌ violence is always just a step away. So, such division fosters hostility and distrust. People in the opposite group become less human, easier to demonise and blame for our problems. Hostility grows, conflicts deepen, and suddenly we are trapped in a spiral of violence and hatred. Perhaps the most worrying consequence of the "us versus them" mentality is the gradual dehumanisation of the "other". When we begin to see people outside our group as aliens, as someone "different", we slowly strip them of their humanity. They become an abstract enemy rather than living beings with their own stories, fears and hopes. It is this process of dehumanisation that has made possible the worst crimes against humanity in history. When we no longer see ourselves in our fellow human beings, everything becomes possible. When we begin to see others as less worthy, empathy is lost. Our perception of justice becomes distorted. Suddenly it becomes acceptable to deny others basic rights because we no longer see them as our equals. History is replete with examples where such thinking has led to atrocities and genocide. In addition to all this, the "us versus them" mentality also cripples our own growth and development. Instead of learning from difference, we close ourselves off in our own bubbles of beliefs. We dismiss new ideas and perspectives as a threat rather than an opportunity to learn and progress. Our horizons narrow, our world becomes smaller and poorer. Groups that focus on opposing others often neglect their own growth and development, spending their energy on conflict rather than on finding solutions and improvements. In addition to the above, this mentality can have serious negative consequences because: It promotes prejudice and stereotypes It reduces empathy towards people outside our group Can lead to discrimination and conflict Hinders cooperation between different groups Simplifies complex social issues These pitfalls can harm both individuals and society as a whole. They reduce mutual understanding and make it harder to solve common problems. But all is not lost. Awareness of these pitfalls is the first step towards overcoming them. Each of us has the power to change the way we perceive the world and the people around us. We can choose to actively seek commonalities rather than differences. To listen to the stories of those we perceive as different. To build bridges instead of walls. The path to a more cohesive and compassionate society starts with small steps. By deciding to open our hearts and minds. To see in every person a potential friend, not an enemy. To value diversity as a source of richness, not a threat. This is not an easy path. It requires courage, empathy and perseverance. But it is the only path that leads to a future where we can all live and thrive together. A future where "we" does not mean exclusion, but inclusion. Where our greatest strength lies in our diversity, not in uniformity. Overcoming the "us versus them" mentality is perhaps the greatest challenge of our time. But it is a challenge that we must take up if we want to create a world where our children can live in peace and harmony. A world in which "we" means all of us - all of humanity. ❤ When we start from an "us versus them" mentality, our life path often follows an interesting pattern, which is mirrored in different degrees of acceptance of personal responsibility. 🛤️ Due to the overwhelming response to the first post "The Us vs Them mentality and its pitfalls", I have decided to compile a second part that will explore even more deeply the different degrees of acceptance of responsibility in the context of this mentality. In this follow-up, we will examine how individuals move from the role of victim, through the role of fighter and creator, to the final stage of being at peace, and how each step along the way can contribute to transcending divisions and building a more cohesive and harmonious society. Thank you all for your comments and sharing your experiences - this is just the beginning of a deeper exploration of these important topics! 🙏 In the context of the "us versus them" mentality, the "us" group is usually defined as the group with which an individual or a particular social group identifies. It is people who share similar beliefs, values, culture or social status. "We" are those we perceive as "ours", as part of a community to which we belong and with whom we share common interests. 🤝 On the other hand, the group "them" is often perceived as an opposite or different group. "Them" are those who have different beliefs, values, culture or social status. ⚖️ These are the people we perceive as opponents, competitors or even as a threat to our way of life and values. ⚔️ This mentality creates strong divisions between groups and often leads to feelings of isolation, inequality and conflict. 🚧 VICTIMHOOD - TRAPPED IN A POLARISATION OF "US" AND "THEM" At this stage we feel powerless, convinced that external factors beyond our control are to blame for our problems. As passive bystanders who fail to act, we become trapped in an "us versus them" polarisation, where we see the world as divided into two opposing groups. Examples: Social Inequality: "We, the members of our community, always find ourselves on the sidelines, while they, the privileged groups, are always favoured by the system." Political Exclusion: "Politicians/government hide information and conspire against us, the common people." "We, the ordinary people, are completely ignored in political decisions because they, the politicians and their elite supporters, do not care about our needs." "Politicians only respond to the needs of big donors and corporations. Ordinary people like me are just statistics, with no real influence or power." "Foreigners coming to our country are getting advantages that are not available to us locals. Why is the government helping them so much and ignoring us?" "Those privileged individuals/elites in our society will never allow us to progress. We have no chance." "The world is totally unfair to us. What can we possibly do when we have no control over our own destiny?" Media Bias: "We who represent a different opinion are always ignored in the media because they, those with power and influence, are always supported by the editors." The media always present one side of the story that suits their interests. Our problems and perspectives are rarely heard or taken into account." The Economic Divide: "The economy is set up so that the rich get richer while we, the ordinary workers, barely survive. The system clearly favours those at the top." Occupational Constraint: "We hard-working individuals never get the chance to advance because the system always opens the door to those with the 'right' connections." Cultural Isolation: "We, who belong to our traditional culture, are always despised, while those with modern trends are given all the credit by society." Geographical Discrimination: "We, the inhabitants of rural areas, are forgotten and treated as second-class citizens, while they, the inhabitants of cities, are always given all the attention and resources by the State." THE DEGREE OF THE FIGHTER - ACTIVE RESISTANCE AGAINST "THEM" IN THE NAME OF "US" When an individual moves from the victim stage to the fighter stage, he or she begins to take greater responsibility for his or her own life and circumstances. 🛡️ At this stage, the person recognises that he or she has the power to influence his or her environment, but still often sees the world as an arena where one must constantly be prepared to fight. ⚔️ In the context of an "us versus them" mentality, the fighter often perceives his or her group as the one that must constantly fight for its rights and space, often in opposition to "them". Examples: Active Political Participation: 'We, ordinary people, will stand up against the elites who have oppressed us for too long. We will set up initiatives, we will be vocal in demanding change and active in elections to finally move things in our favour." Fight for Workers' Rights: "Our trade unions will fight for better working conditions, wages and rights. We will no longer allow ourselves to be exploited by management and corporations. We will use strikes and protests to force management to take our demands into account." Cultural Resistance: "We, the members of our traditional culture, will organise events and movements to promote and protect our traditions. We will no longer allow ourselves to be pushed into the background by the followers of modern trends." Serious Activism: "We, environmental activists, will speak out against the corporations that are destroying our planet. We won't back down until we bring about change, even if it means confronting powerful opponents." Media Counterbalance: "We, who represent alternative voices, will set up our own media channels to spread our message and fight the bias of the mainstream media. We will no longer allow the corporate media to shape public opinion." Geographical Self-Organisation: "We, the inhabitants of rural areas, will join together to organise local projects and put pressure on the authorities to invest in our development. We will no longer allow ourselves to be excluded and neglected by the inhabitants of the cities." Social Justice: "We, the social justice campaigners, will be vocal in demanding equality and rights for all. Our struggle will not stop until we eliminate discrimination and injustice caused by those with power and privilege." THE CREATOR STAGE - BUILDING BRIDGES BETWEEN "US" AND "THEM" When an individual moves into the Creator stage 🎨, they begin to see the world from a different perspective. The Creator no longer sees life as a constant struggle between "us" and "them", but as an opportunity to create a new reality. 🌟 At this stage, a person recognises their power 💪 and responsibility in shaping their own life and the wider community. 🌍 The Creator focuses on connecting, collaborating 🤝 and creating solutions that transcend divisions and conflicts. Examples: Collaboration instead of Confrontation: 'Instead of fighting against them, we will create joint projects where we combine the strengths and talents of both sides. By working together, we can create a better future for all." Building Bridges between Communities: "We will organise cultural and social events that bring different groups together and transcend divisions. In this way we will create a space for dialogue where everyone can feel included and heard." Innovative Projects for All: "Instead of criticising the system, we will create social enterprises and initiatives that offer solutions to common challenges. Through innovation and creativity, we will improve the quality of life for all, no matter which group they come from." Creating Peer Support: "We will create platforms where people of different views and backgrounds can connect and help each other. This will show that we can overcome differences and solve problems together." Educational Initiatives: "We will develop educational programmes that promote critical thinking and empathy. They will equip people with the tools to better understand and work together, reducing divisions and increasing mutual respect." Ecological and Social Resilience: "Instead of fighting harmful practices, we will create sustainable communities based on regenerative practices. These communities will inspire others and show that we can work in harmony with nature and other people." Media Connection Projects: "We will create media platforms that present stories of successful cooperation and integration of different groups. Instead of focusing on conflicts, we will share inspiring examples of how we can create something positive together." Transforming Conflict into Opportunity: "Instead of focusing on conflict points between different groups, we will identify common goals and focus on win-win solutions. We can transform conflict into an opportunity for growth and cooperation." Creating a Shared Vision: "We will develop a shared vision of the future, where there is no room for divisions between 'us' and 'them', but for an inclusive community where everyone contributes to the common good. This vision will be based on inclusion, cooperation and equality." Support for Local Initiatives: "We will promote local initiatives that bring together different groups and create benefits for the whole community. Instead of competing with each other, we will build communities based on mutual trust and cooperation." Creating Ethical Guidelines: "As creators, we will work together to develop ethical guidelines for organisations and communities based on respect and understanding of diversity. In this way, we will ensure that decision-making is no longer driven by divisions, but by integrity and the common good." Innovation in Social Support: 'We will create innovative solutions to support the most vulnerable groups, involving contributions from all sides. Instead of waiting for systemic changes from above, we will design initiatives ourselves that will have an immediate impact on the quality of life of all involved." Connecting Through Arts and Culture: "Arts and culture will become a tool to connect different groups. We will organise events that bring together different cultural expressions to show how diversity can contribute to a richer and more harmonious society." Promoting Intercultural Dialogue: "Initiatives that promote intercultural dialogue will be key to bridging divisions. By creating spaces for open and respectful conversation between different groups, we will facilitate deeper understanding and cooperation." Promoting Social Impact Entrepreneurship: "Instead of criticising existing economic models, we will create social impact businesses that promote sustainability and equality. These businesses will provide employment opportunities for all communities, with a focus on the inclusion of vulnerable groups." Creating Environmental Initiatives: "We will not wait for government or corporations to act on the environment. We will organise community gardens, clean-up campaigns and educational programmes on sustainable living to show how we can all care for the planet together." Developing Personal Growth Programmes: "Changing the world starts with changing ourselves. We will develop personal and spiritual growth programmes that encourage people to move beyond old patterns and create a new, more connected reality." Building Smart Communities: "Instead of relying on outdated city plans, we will develop smart communities where technology, sustainability and human connectedness come together. These communities will be models of collaboration and innovation that transcend divisions." Linking Education to Real Needs: "We will create education programmes that are directly linked to the real needs of our communities. This will provide young people with the knowledge and skills to help them tackle the challenges of the day, while fostering intergenerational cooperation." Bridging Generations: "Instead of generations being separated and not understanding each other, we will create programmes that promote intergenerational cooperation. In this way, we will build bridges between the old and the young and promote mutual learning and understanding." Intergenerational Co-operatives: "Instead of keeping the elderly and younger generations apart, we will create intergenerational co-operatives where the experience of the elderly is combined with the energy of the young to create projects that benefit the whole community." Using Artificial Intelligence for the Common Good: "Instead of fearing the advances in technology, we will develop AI solutions that benefit everyone - from improving healthcare to more efficient education and environmental protection." Creating Local Supply Chains: "Instead of relying on global supply chains, we will develop local supply chains based on collaboration between local growers, producers and consumers. This will strengthen local economies and reduce dependence on external resources." Strengthening Local Economic Chains: "We will create local economic chains that support local growers and producers, reducing dependence on global corporations while strengthening the community economy." Creating Public Discussion Forums: "We will organise forums where people from different backgrounds can talk openly about their challenges and work together to find solutions. This will be a place where different opinions are respected and taken into account in finding a way forward together." Promoting Cultural Exchange: "Instead of focusing on cultural differences as barriers, we will create cultural exchange programmes where different groups can share their traditions, arts and stories. In this way, we will build bridges between cultures and foster mutual understanding." Participatory decision-making: "We will establish participatory decision-making models where all members of the community have a voice in important decisions. This will encourage a sense of ownership and responsibility and create communities based on real equality." Supporting Marginalised Groups: "Instead of waiting for the system to right wrongs, we will create support networks for marginalised groups where they can access resources, education and opportunities to improve their situation." Interfaith Dialogue Organisation: "In a world where religious divisions often cause conflict, we will create spaces for interfaith dialogue where people of different faiths can meet, learn from each other and work together to create solutions to common challenges." Integration in International Projects: 'Instead of looking at other nations as competitors, we will develop international projects that promote global cooperation to tackle problems such as climate change, poverty and education. In this way, we will create global partnerships and strengthen international solidarity." Leading by example: "Instead of waiting for others to change, we will start implementing the values we want to see in the world ourselves. By our example, we will inspire others to join us in creating a more just and compassionate world." Innovation in Health: "Instead of criticising the shortcomings of the health system, we will develop and support innovative health solutions that are accessible to all. In this way, we will reduce health inequalities and enable better care for all communities." Promoting Economic Democracy: "We will promote models of economic democracy where employees and local communities have a greater say in business decisions. This will reduce the sense of 'us versus them' between employers and workers and promote cooperation for the common good." Supporting Alternative Education Systems: "Instead of criticising the traditional education system, we will create and support alternative education practices that encourage critical thinking, creativity and inclusion of all learners." Creating Solidarity Economies: "We will develop solidarity economies where financial resources and profits are directed towards the common good rather than private hands. In this way, we will create economic systems based on justice and equality." Sustainable Mobility: "Instead of complaining about traffic problems and pollution, we will develop sustainable mobility solutions such as shared transport, cycle lanes and public transport that link different parts of cities and communities." Introducing a Solutions Approach: "Instead of focusing on problems, we will use a solutions approach, where we identify solutions to existing challenges and actively implement them. This approach will encourage positive thinking and action." Creating Peaceful Processes: "Instead of trying to resolve conflicts through violence or coercion, we will create peaceful processes, such as mediation, dialogue and negotiation, which will allow for just and sustainable conflict resolution." Promoting Global Citizenship: "Instead of limiting ourselves to national or regional identities, we will promote the concept of global citizenship, where people see themselves as part of a global community and work towards solving global challenges." Strengthening Safety Nets: "Instead of focusing on differences and divisions, we will develop safety nets that support all members of a community in times of crisis or need, strengthening collective resilience and mutual aid." Creating Community Gardens: "Instead of criticising the lack of access to healthy food, we will create community gardens where people grow food together and share their produce. This will strengthen local self-sufficiency and bring people together." Promoting Sustainable Energy: "Instead of waiting for big energy changes from above, we will promote local sustainable energy projects such as solar farms and wind turbines that will benefit all members of the community." A DEGREE OF BEING AT PEACE - A HARMONIOUS COEXISTENCE OF "US" AND "THEM" When an individual reaches the "Being at Peace" stage 🕊️, the "us versus them" mentality is completely dismantled. At this stage, the person reaches a deep understanding 🌱 that all people, whatever their differences, come from the same source and are part of the same whole system. Conflicts that were previously seen as insurmountable barriers between groups are now seen as a natural part of human existence that can be accepted and overcome with compassion 💖, empathy 🤗 and wisdom. 🧠 Examples: Letting Go of the Need for Control: "Instead of trying to control others or situations, we will accept that each individual is responsible for his or her own choices. Our inner balance will come from the peace within ourselves, not from external circumstances." Acceptance and Understanding: "I accept that differences between people are natural and inevitable. Rather than trying to change others or prove myself right, I choose peace and understanding as the foundation for my relationships with everyone, even those with whom I disagree." Connectedness with All: "I have come to see that we are all part of the same big whole system. All divisions are an illusion; at a deeper level we are all connected. This realisation brings me inner peace and a deep respect for all people, whatever their differences." Compassion as a Basic Guiding Principle: "Compassion is not just a feeling, but a way of life. When I look at others, even those who were previously considered 'adversaries', I see their humanity and their suffering. My action is now directed towards bringing peace and well-being to all, whatever their background or beliefs." Living in Harmony with Natural Law: "I am aware that everything in nature is in balance and harmony. Rather than fighting against the flow of life, I am learning to swim with it, accepting challenges and change as part of the natural order, which allows me to live in peace with myself and others." Deep Gratitude for Diversity: "Diversity is not something to fear or to try to eradicate. Instead, I gratefully embrace the richness of different perspectives, cultures and ways of life that enrich my world and allow for growth." Serving as an Expression of Peace: "I channel my energy into serving the community and the wider society. I no longer seek victories or proving my rights, but work from inner peace and the desire to create good for all." Detachment: "I no longer concern myself with the outcomes of my actions, as I trust that every action that comes from peace and love contributes to greater harmony. I live in the moment, accept things as they come, and find peace in knowing that it's all part of a bigger plan." Forgiveness: "Instead of holding grudges against those who have hurt us, we will practice forgiveness. This will allow us to release negative emotions and create space for positive relationships." Living in the Moment: "We will no longer burden ourselves with past conflicts or future fears. We will focus on the present moment and find peace in the everyday experiences we share with others." Acceptance Without Pressure: "We will no longer pressure others to change according to our standards. Instead, we will accept others as they are and allow relationships to develop naturally and without coercion." Understanding and Compassion: "Instead of judging others or feeling threatened, we will try to understand their experiences and motivation. Compassion will become a central value in our relationships." Connecting with Self and Others: "Instead of seeking validation outside of ourselves, we will establish a deep connection with our inner wisdom and use this connection to build harmonious relationships with others." Abandoning Competition: "Instead of constantly comparing ourselves to others or competitors, we will recognize the value of our own contribution and rejoice in the successes of others as if we were our own." Cultivating Inner Peace: "Instead of allowing external conflicts to throw us off balance, we will cultivate inner peace through meditation, reflection and healthy living habits. This peace will become our foundation in all situations." Practicing Non-Resentment: "When faced with conflict or disagreement, we will choose a response based on peace rather than anger or hatred. Instead of resentment, we will choose understanding and acceptance."

@Joshe Nice Inquiry:) There is something else that is able to Perceive it seems beyond our normal everyday 5 sense perception and brain that puts it all together with a formed personality and such, as Mystics and Yogi's state they can remember past lives and such, some even say You can be conscious enough to choose which body to reincarnate into when the present body has died, so something is there.. In Karmic theory and Kosha theory, there are 5 sheaths that make up us Humans, Food/Earth Body, Mind/Intelligence Body, Energy Body, Etheric or Transitionary Body (btwn physical/gross state and non physical/subtle state), and Bliss Body (this refers to the experience one has when intouch with this aspect), I'm assuming these sheaths cover the Life that is encased within it, karmic substance keeps it together like a glue of sorts, this is a simple way to explain it, for sure its more complex and complete than this:) When Your body dies, the karma is stored in the Mental Body and Energy Body and Etheric Body, this along with the Bliss Body go along and are in the "void" of sorts, the after death place, depending on many factors a body is chosen, then this join with that body and the reincarnation has happened and so forth... Most ppl are not conscious of any of this, just like they are not conscious of their subconscious mind and what is happening there, but the sub conscious mind plays a huge role in your life, so how Aware and Conscious You are in this life will play a huge role in the after life and such situations... Sadhguru explains it clearly here, don't believe what he says, don't dis believe what he says, research it (not thru books or video) and find out what is truth or not truth...

New I wish my circle (world) is bigger. Now I am only just trapped and being with nothing. I got a dream that consist of the people that I've met before (in the past) but I'm not living in that moment , that life. I think there are a lot of things that are occuring that are meant for a higher life , things that are arises/ birthed into this world. I shall be, it should be , something higher, but because of my small world at the moment , it can only happen within , my small (family)/world. I dream about a lot of things. A lot of people. Probably people that failed to be manifested in the real world. So those souls appears only in my dream. Not physically. Idk. People that I didn't know. And some I know. It feels like they are a reincarnation . I wish I can only be with people I love. Not just a random person /soul that I didn't know of. What does it mean when you dream of lions in a cage and then the cage was opened? There was a lot of it. A pack. I don't hv such a good dreams, . My life had been very constricted Reminds me of when I was 24. Life should have been bigger. Greater. But I am only having a small circle. So those things that appear in this world (from the unseen) couldn't be bigger. I should have bring everything together. But things only get worse. I don't even know. But things really is. As I said , to the already poor me. Why do people steal from me? I'm back to zero. Stripped off everything from me. I am already poor. And they make me have nothing taking everything. I don't even have money /are making money. Maybe I am the richest person on earth. Na. (My small world btw) But they steal from me. 🌆 I do have feel unsafe ever since I was a child. Taking precautions. But it just, didn't help in 20x. I could no longer save myself. My fate had been ugly. Maybe because I didn't appreciate what was before. They said you can asked for anything in heaven. And I will asked for all my footage that was lost, among others. But this is the most important. The first things I will ask for. But heaven didn't even exist now. So it was all really pointless. I really have lost EVERYTHING. WHAT IS LOST IS LOST FOREVER. I can't ask for it anymore. And I really, valued , all of my memories. Since I was a child. But I've lost a piece of my most valued timeline. And on top of that all , my possession are stolen by someone inside the house. Am I rich? Am I poor? I know what I have, I even documented my thought process since I was eight. Throughout childhood throughout adulthood, I always write as the age I'm in . To the future me. So I understand every ages. And most importantly, my .... was in it. I may not have a degree , but I have the things that I've collected. But a part of me was stolen from myself. I bet they brun it. Or destroyed it. Would you think that they keep it for their own self? Why would anyone do that? Are my things circulating? I'd rather not make any assumptions or have high hopes that it still exist. 🌆

Dude, ur the one talking about reincarnation and pizza. I'm just going along with what you said.

@Salvijus Is that for real? How can I know if he's just bullshitting me or not? And again, if that's really possible, how does that fit into a reincarnation / merging with the absolute, if there still is my dad somewhere where I can contact him and he can respond somehow?

If you never learn what reincarnation is, will it be possible for you?

David Spangler, Subtle Worlds, An Explorer's Field Notes, Chapter 8 Soul "The soul, to me, is the ultimate origin point for each of our incarnations (you will note that I take reincarnation for granted and always have, particularly since that experience when I was seven). It is who we actually are, a hyperdimensional consciousness existing in what I think of as the “soul levels” of the higher-order worlds. By its very nature, the soul generally cannot take full incarnation in the physical world. There is too much of it, so to speak, and it is too differently configured as a higher dimensional being and consciousness, to fit into this three-dimensional space. What does incarnate, however, is a part of the soul that organizes itself specifically for taking the incarnational journey into the earth. I think of it as a fractal of the soul." No problem to create such a game as Infinite Reality. Just spark some more dimensions/Holons that carry this information from lifetime to lifetime. Seen from a mathematical perspective no problem, the mathematics of our realm can handle an Infinity of (even nested and fractal) dimensions easily. So it is easy for Infinite Being to play this game, since already our realm-mathematics can do it, and that mathematics is contained in Infinite Reality. Infinite Reality doesn't have to, but can play this game (one of the many alternatives to a sophisticated multi-life-dream with souls is for example spawning an on-the-fly dream at night with imagined background-story also no problem (believed even if totally incoherent, like "where did I park my car"). And in the end its all illusion and appearance, including this higher dimensional soul. But with relative reality/appearance to it. But as long as this Karma-Soul-Game is played, and one is not immune to suffering, better respect the rules of the game... Although my view is higher than the sky, my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour. -Padmasambhava Btw., this is not idle speculation, but direct experience of Spangler and many others. For example Jac O'Keffee, Jürgen Ziewe, Chris Bache, and many many others over the millenia.

Intelligence is another aspect of God, just like love is. Leo has a video called Infinite Intelligence, which explains it nicely. Let me add to the questions: Every finite thing has to end. Why is reincarnation a thing in many religious traditions? Do we have a soul that lasts longer than our bodies? Why? How did people experience this? Ofc the soul has to end too since it's a finite thing. Why not just end with the body? There has to be a reason why did they think this? Opposite to popular belief, they did not Just come up with things out of their asses. Not with something so fundamental as this.

@Leo Gura Okay, but what I don't understand is the following: If in the moment of your death, you realize the highest truth, where does that leave space for reincarnation, existing as soul or anything else? Or it isn't guaranteed that you realize anything, and just continue existing in some subtler form of dream until you reincarnate into material existence again. Also, some people report seeing ghosts or spirits of their dead relatives. How do we explain that?

From Infinity there is endless possibility for any kind of reincarnation. Maybe you will reincarnate as a pizza

My father passed away recently and I've been thinking of this question a lot. I haven't had any mystical or nondual experiences or even any out-of-body experiences, but as I understand from Leo and others, you reunite and merge with the Infinite at the moment of physical death. But that leaves some questions unanswered. Like, for example, what is reincarnation then? What reincarnates if your consciousness merges with the infinite? Isn't there something individual about us except the ego? Like a soul or something that keeps existing after physical death? How do we explain near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences? Maybe the soul, or energy body, or something else is still relative to some kind of dream, (maybe not this physical dimension but still) and it experiences other dimensions after exiting a human body. Can that be the case?

The last thing I would want is for any human to worship me. I'd rather not be remembered at all then. If any of you worship me, you have learned nothing. A billion creatures have died. I don't regard the life of Jesus as any more important than a baboon's, as that would just be an obvious and silly human bias. How come you don't regard yourself as the reincarnation of a baboon? They just need to follow principles of how the mind works. It has nothing to do with me. All I do is share principles, which anyone could discover for themsleves with some effort.

@Sugarcoat Well, it kinda makes sense, there are just many layers to it. We're dual, we carry both the feminine and masculine traits always and balance these proportions. We do limit ourselves through our psychology, however. In Reincarnation texts, the journey includes sex changes, though on an even greater scale, even Leo will tell you that you have been, are, and will be everything that exists. So I went on the journey of integration and realized all my problems stemmed from a lack of integration and a misbalance of both genders in psychic attitudes, though at this point being locked into one type of body feels like a limitation as well. And yet that itself is quite interesting because a blend of both would lose out on the prominence of either and still it's an art.

Say hello to "karmic cycles ". There is no such thing as reincarnation . It's just a belief based on new age internet spirituality. Weak sauce. Or Buddhism or some kind of nonsense like that. GOD. And you don't know what that is .

Why it's sure that Ramana maharshi was enlightened? Or Ramakrishna, adyashanti, Krishnamurti, etc? Those people were spiritual, they like meditation and yoga, and in their opinion, they were enlightened. What they mean? That they could empty their minds and perceive themselves as pure existence? It's not a big deal at all. Then all of them talked about reincarnation, end of the well, etc , that seems a kind of dogma, and we believe them because they follow a line of though typical in asia, kinda of Buddhism. Maybe they were just scratching the surface,. copying the ideas of others. Many could meditate all day and be happy, what means that? When I was a kid I was very happy playing with a stick for hours, o watching the insects. That doesn't mean nothing . That mean that they can remove the human desire, be calm, equanimity. Good, more happiness, but are they really dissolve the barriers that limits them?

The immediate spiritual answer to would be that we have a certain amount of time on this earth and bodily karma to put into motion like making families and cooperating, but then that is phased out as we slowly prepare to die and transition into the next reincarnation or plane of reality in "cosmic evolution" essentially. Are lives do imply endings (give our body back to the earth and reset all injuries, leave stuff for the next generation) and that's part of collective evolution. Now you say that personal evolution ends and if this life is all there is, then that appears correct, though with the right practices, health can be maintained for a long time even in old age and even as interests shift. Still I do agree with you, but then only if this life was our only existence, which I have much reasons to believe is not the case, and also believing it is, is equally biased, so I go for the most expansive and vitalizing interpretation.

Jeez lol. Well she's definitely not the first person who has made the claim. Gnostic Christianity goes deep into it, and even a goofy religion like Scientology contains aspects of the mythos. Examples of the story are littered all throughout human history. Even Buddhism, with its efforts towards liberation from reincarnation. What's interesting in her case is that she supposedly came across the knowledge independently during a trip. It's hard to tell if she's referring to DMT or 5-MeO-DMT. I'd tend to think it's DMT, because that's the one with potential to show you malicious entities. This topic is something I'm aware of, and based on my understanding, I give it a chance of actually being true. But something like this is too much for the forum. The folks here usually keep their focus on non-dualism and meditative practice, which may be for the best, even if these other aspects of reality exist. Imagine if Leo made a video crying about his entity contact lol. The ripple effect from his reach would produce some mentally unstable people.

We are not caring about alternate realities. We care about Absolute Awakening in THIS REALITY and in THIS LIFETIME. Some of us are not letting death decide destiny. We are writing it in this lifetime while we are alive. Not at all. The point of the work we are doing here is that is the only thing that is not lost. All your mental stories will be lost, as well as your physical body. Your process of Evolution will not be lost. It transcends birth and death. Birth, death, and this reality belongs to a certain dimension. The Awakening that we are seeking is the ultimate dimensionless. It is beyond what you think is possible. You say this because you just haven´t tasted yet anything beyond your psychological process or mystical peak experiences. All of that belongs to the relative and indeed it will be lost. Speak for yourself. Spiritual truth is not a dogma or belief you adopt. Is a state of consciousness and deep transformation. It doesn´t have anything to do with intellectual knowledge. wtf? This Reality is meaningless. 'This reality' is the bondage itself. The point is stopping reincarnation as a limited thing (a form-a body- a mind that thinks) and going to back to unlimitation so your "act" on Creation number 84 can end. This is not a matter of choice, you already are looking for unlimitation through new endless sexual partners, career adventures, opening business, reading books, watching movies, playing sports... Your nature is such that you are constantly trying to break your limitations. The question is, do you want to do it in a conscious and direct way or do you want to spend 3 more lifetimes doing the outside circus ? What message is that?

😂 lol. Well..everything is literally liberation..everything is absolute perfection and it will never be anything else. But does that mean that from the perspective of a human everything is equal ? Hell no . Yes you can spend your whole life going to the pub and fucking bitches and sniffing Cocaine etc but that's only gonna create negative karma and when you die you will be pulled back into a new body via reincarnation. And there is never gonna be an end to suffering for you. You will probably say it doesn't matter either ..but in fact it does matter to you as a human . If you are in god-mode 24/7 high on nothingness then you can speak of everything being already liberation 👍.

@Consept Thanks for the context, this does explain some of his communication style I was picking up, and my uneasiness about him. He's basically a reincarnation of a Nazi German and ultra far right? Got it, makes sense he's in Jordan's podcast, also the guy who was too hesitant claiming and defining Nazis as ultra far right. Bunch of cowards. Also interesting video, and I find the guy's logically decent: Except one big problem with his explanation: the reasoning why Adolf Hitler claimed he and his party were socialists. They claimed such because they wanted to market and differentiate themselves from traditionalist Germans that failed during WW1. It's basically political deceptive marketing. That's why he claimed them as a nationalist socialist party. Also he's got good points addressing the shrinking markets here.

@Princess Arabia Ultimately I agree with you. But don´t sell the cart before the horse. There might be no reality and only You, but while you are here you have to play by the rules you created. You are not going to get out of this maze so easy. You have to get to such a place of absolute consciousness that you literally are completely conscious when the moment of death comes so you don´t get yourself in another mess (reincarnation). You guys that keep playing this non duality games is another type of Karma. Is not different than other type of attachment. You are not actually walking towards Evolution of your consciousness. Although intellectually is true what you say, by how you say it it makes me suspect you are not actually walking towards that. You think you already are outside the prison but actually you just got yourself a very comfy sofa in the prison that you think you are back home.

@James123 "Quite literally, the "inner self" forms the body by magically transforming thoughts and emotions into physical counterparts. You grow the body. Its condition perfectly mirrors your subjective state at any given time. Using atoms and molecules, you build your body, forming basic elements into a form that you call your own." We are infinite, yet we come from nothing. We collect experiences across lifetimes and we emerge out of environments from which we individuate, we affect it and direct our experience, we tune into and attract certain experiences based on our beliefs, needs and desires, attitudes and troubles, dreams and disappointments, passions and failures. "If you hate illness you may bring upon yourself a succeeding life of illness, because the hate has drawn it to you. If you expand your sense of love, of health, and existence, then you are drawn in this life and in others toward those qualities; again, because they are those upon which you concentrate. A generation that hates war will not bring peace. A generation that loves peace will bring peace. To die with hatred for any cause or people, or for any reason, is a great disadvantage." "Change of form is not destructive. The explosive energy of a storm is highly creative. Consciousness is not annihilated. A storm is part of creativity. You view it from your own perspective, and yet one individual will feel within the storm the unending cycle of creativity, and another will personify it as the work of the devil. Through all your lives you will interpret the reality that you see in your own way, and that way will have its effect upon you, and in turn upon others. The man who literally hates, immediately sets himself up in this fashion: He prejudges the nature of reality according to his own limited understanding. Now I am emphasizing the issue of hate in this chapter on reincarnation because its results can be so disastrous. A man who hates always believes himself justified. He never hates anything that he believes to be good. He thinks he is being just, therefore, in his hatred, but the hatred itself forms a very strong claim that will follow him throughout his lives, until he learns that only the hatred itself is the destroyer. Remember what you concentrate upon"

A more "Earthly" answer I could give regarding reincarnation is that it seems to be an unconscious process for most people, in the sense that after death, you're carried by forces in alignment with your karma towards whatever your new destination is. The less capacity for consciousness that you've developed, the more unconscious the process becomes. Since the mass majority of humans on Earth aren't even aware they're supposed to be developing consciousness, it'd probably be fair to say this applies to 99% of people or something crazy like that. For those who actually have authentic skill, it supposedly opens up doors of possibility upon death, including enlightenment itself. Everything I typed above is pretty much based on faith in Tibetan Buddhism. I don't know it to be true, but I'm confident the people who described it would be in a position to know via mastery of the prajna mechanism I mentioned. Additionally though, I'd stress that the reality is probably incomprehensible by normal means, and well beyond what I've described.

Have you ever done a high-dose psychedelic trip and experienced your mind in a transcendent state? Or meditated extremely deeply? The logical process itself gets eclipsed and replaced with what Yoga calls prajna. It's as if our mind takes on dimensions and capabilities that are supernatural and altogether different from what we're used to, and it could be considered a siddhi in itself. It's in a state like this where we could have some hope of actually grasping reincarnation.

More that endless game seems like Evolution. We must keep ourselves open minded! I think more than time needs an intention. Your karma is written in the structure of reality. So you need a strong intention to dissolve it. Karma is saved from reincarnation to reincarnation. When you dissolve it, reincarnation stops, you merge with the Infinite and enjoy pure Death-Ecstatic Bliss. Then when all memories of God are dissolved, then the next Creation begins. People don´t get how deep this goes! And that there is work to do right now if we want to advance. Let´s not let in the hands of any imaginary God what is really in our hands. We are Dreaming this UP.