Shane Hanlon

I'm going to DM you as to not leak it on a public forum.

@Leo Gura might be nice to reach out to https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendanGrahamDempsey I'm friends with him IRL and I know he knows of your work and thinks you are pretty legit. Brendan is deeply kind ethical and open minded. He is currently struggling through idealism vs emergentism and if idealism is true, his next inclination is to emotionally struggle through solipsism. which you might be particularly good at helping him out with. Regardless, he is heavily involved in metacrisis work with IAM related to lectica's (complexification of thought) psychological development and taking Wilbers work to the next level both through a more comprehensive scientific grounding and through making stages more accesible and relevant to existing religious institutions. He lives on a permaculture farm in VT. Overall awesome dude.

A few more worth adding: Entangled World: https://www.youtube.com/@entangledworldpod/videos Mathew Segall: https://www.youtube.com/@Footnotes2Plato/videos Tim Freke: https://www.youtube.com/@TimFreke1/videos

The best of Integrative Thinkers/The Liminal Web on youtube: Ken Wilber (The grandfather of sorts) Brendan Graham Dempsey: https://www.youtube.com/@BrendanGrahamDempsey Layman Pascal: https://www.youtube.com/@theintegralstage8140/videos Jared Morningstar: https://www.youtube.com/@JaredMorningstar Nora Bateson: Daniel Schmachtenberger: Johnathan Rowson: Bayo Akomolafe: Zak Stein:

Deep and careful systemic change that makes life more equitable for all will open up a path that life can flourish in. Otherwise we are all in trouble. Currently, the left is closer to championing something like that than the right is. That is why the most sane, informed, and loving stance is currently considered "deep left".

I've never been more embarassed to be American.

What do you all think this latest couple blog posts means for the practical human level of reality? It strikes me as deeply true and profound. What does integrating this insight look like? Leo, it seems like this was revolutionary for you. I'd be interested to hear what you think. I am struggling to feel its revolution for myself though. Maybe I don't comprehend the profundity of what you are attempting to communicate. At Gods level, When all facets of God integrate into total oneness. When Love, Intelligence, Goodness, Total Concsiousness become one, it makes sense that wisdom would be a second order consequence of intelligence. But at the human level, even if ultimately wisdom is a 2nd order property of intelligence, they are so distinct that the insight "intelligence is fundamental and fully understands and moves towards Goodness and Love" or "Intelligence is how the Infinite field spontaenously organizes itself towards Goodness and Love." seems like it doesn't change too much for me. I'd still orient towards life the same way. Working to always be (and always increase my capacity for) Loving, Kind, Intelligent, Wise, Honest, Integrated, Grounded, and Informed etc....

@Leo Gura Watch videos from project drawdown like this one: Project drawdown is working to create solutions to climate change within a Game A framework. They don't explicitly say that but that is where they are coming from. They work with accurate information and think well about climate issues. I think they are up your alley.

This is not true. Colonization massacered every tribe that wasn't oriented towards power and war. So those that were highly developed and didn't integrate powerful weapons (almost all of them) into their way of life, were wiped from the planet. Be careful to take this too literally. Tribes can also be at any stage of development. It goes much deeper than this.

I’m tired with all the back-and-forth, so here’s my final post to lay it out as clearly as I can. These are the main points that are irrefutable. Veganism can be a healthy diet for most people A well-planned vegan diet provides everything you need. It might not work perfectly for everyone, but for the vast majority, it’s a healthy choice. Veganism is about more than just your health It’s not just about feeling good or optimizing your own body. Veganism considers the well-being of all life, including animals, ecosystems, and the planet. Animals don’t have to suffer for us to eat Factory farming causes extreme suffering to hundreds of billions of animals every year. The reality is, we don’t need to eat animals to survive or thrive. By going vegan, you’re choosing not to contribute to that harm. Animal agriculture is destroying the planet It’s one of the leading causes of deforestation, water pollution, and greenhouse gas emissions. A plant-based diet has a much smaller impact on the environment and is one of the best ways to prevent ecological crises. Veganism acknowledges that everything is connected The health of humans, animals, and the planet are all deeply intertwined. By going vegan, you’re supporting a more compassionate and sustainable world for everyone. That’s it. That’s the big picture. Veganism isn’t only about a healthy individual, it’s about creating a healthier, kinder, and more sustainable world for all life. I know it’s not an easy change for everyone, and that’s fine. But at least let’s be clear about what veganism really is. And your tone is fine. It's your understanding that is missing important insights and context. Integrate ecology and other beings experience into your understanding of nutrition and you will likely end up at veganism or something close to it. We can be vegan and create effective systemic change in other ways at the same time. It is not either or. It is Both And.

yep.

Except for Costa Rica and Bhutan. But they also do not have easily exploitable and highly valuable natural resources.

@integral I hear you. We have to use all of our ways of knowing and integrate them in their proper context in order to deeply know something. However, I feel like you are grappling with complexity but not fully resolving it in a systematic or holistic way. To reduce all science to anecdotes doesn't really integrate a real understanding of science or the scientific method. Not all science is the same and science can be critiqued, but I feel your approach seems rather confused. At what point do you end up going off the rails on veganism?

This is hilariously terrifyingly accurate lol