Vajra

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  2. Posted

    Practicing Dream Yoga is valuable.

    Here is how it goes:

    First the physical body is put to sleep.

    With the physical body asleep consciousness naturally moves into the subtle plane. This is just "above" the physical plane, or "layered on top of it". Here we find that activity is also going on, and we can either consciously engage here in some subtle activity. Or we can put the subtle body to sleep as well and continue onwards.

    After the subtle plane consciousness naturally moves into the higher-mental plane. The higher-mental plane is, again, "above" the subtle plane or as if "layered on top of it". Like in the physical and subtle planes, we discover activity is going on here too. We can consciously engage in higher-mental activity here, or put the higher-mental body to sleep.

    As all these three bodies, which seem to be a natural manifestation of the human being, are asleep, a kind of alignment is created due to the lack of activity—a pathway. This is the Pathway into the Clear Light.

    The Clear Light is where we also go after death, thus learning how to remain conscious on the way to It while we are alive Prepares us for the moment of Death and Teaches us how to remain Conscious during it.

    That is the Value of Dream Yoga!

  4. Posted · Edited by Vajra

    But guys, don't you see the joke?

    Many of you are speaking to me as if I am not God-Realized and need to become God-Realized and that will solve it.

    But how do you know I am not God-Realized?

    You might say - "Well, because you don't sound like it. You are speaking as if you are ignorant. It's just obvious."

    Oh, really? But then you already seem to have some method for recognizing who is God-Realized or not (however accurate or inaccurate it might be). And still you are denying that it's not existent, or not useful, or or ... While you are using it, it is existent there for you ... ... ...

    Don't you see? You are not free from it. You are, maybe subconsciously or something, engaging in such a method all the time.

    All I want is to clarify this already existing between us method. The method that causes the assumption oh this guy is not God-Realized or oh this guy is God-Realized. I want to find a way for that method to stop being wild guesses, and become Real. 

  5. Posted

    Just now, Davino said:

    Yeah, I shamelessly admit it! :P

    It's like @Salvijus said, it just doesn't have good taste. But it's very vague and not by any means perfect. 

    If it tastes very gross you are pretty sure that is not God-Realization. But sounding good does not imply it is the case, hopefully this is clear.

    Again, intuition works better for discarding than for crediting. 

    Yeah, that's great. But imagine if we could somehow really hone this ability. Bring clarity to this specific issue, just how we are bringing clarity to things like... what is mind, what is thought, what is perception, what is God.

    I mean it is important, no? To be able to tell who is God-Realized and who is not?

    Many people come to this forum, singing their songs of God and Oneness and Stuff...

    Who's telling the truth and who is not?

    .... Weeeell, this one's writing kinda creates a pleasant feeling in my body... so it must be true. Bullshit!

    We need more CLARITY!

    More HONESTY!!

    REALITY!!!

  6. Posted

    Just now, Davino said:

    Exactly. Not withh 100% certainty at least.

    5 minutes ago, Vajra said:

    Cool, so you don't know for sure. That's humility. That opens the door to real investigation, doesn't it?

    1 minute ago, Davino said:

    Didn't say that, just pointing out the difference in state between humand and God/Infinity.

    What will you do when you are in the Moon? Maybe when your feet touch the moon you are so shocked that everything you thought previously flies out the window and you are marvelled by the experience you are having.

    But it's not always like that, is it? You come down from the highs. You are able to speak to me now, you are not so drowning in God-Realization that this possibility is not here. If we are able to speak, we are probably able to investigate interesting topics — such as how do we discover if someone is Truly God-Realized, or just lying or deluded.

    3 minutes ago, Davino said:

    Surely, nurture that by all means.

    :)

  7. Posted

    4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

    Take it as a trust test of Love from 'God'.

    Here are some weirdos in a forum telling you Reality is Boundless Love but you want 'proof'. That tells you your faith is low. Faith is not enough to awaken, but a little intuition that you might be something more than your body or your personal life must be there in order for you to walk the path.

     

    10 minutes ago, Davino said:

    You can intuit it.

    These are interesting comments. It would imply that somehow you can "intuit" who is God-Realized or not.

    This seems to be coming closer.

    But you must admit that being able to intuit it is very vague — no real clarity or understanding or realizing how that works there.

    Just a tid-bit.

  8. Posted

    1 minute ago, Davino said:

    It's not that I don't how to, it is that there is no How to bullet proof way beyond any error. You can't even make your mother prove her own independent existent. Please tell me how to prove that?

    God-Realization is beyond such limitations that you are constricting it into, if you actually experienced God this desire would simply vanish into your infinite Awakeness.

    So you are saying that you do know that there is no way to do it.

    Ok, interesting.

    You are also saying that my desire to know is .... basically ignorance. Don't see why. Can't a God-Realized being be curious, wanting to discover new things, love life?

  9. Posted

    1 minute ago, Arthogaan said:

    Nothing ever can be proven.

    The only thing that is sure is perception itself.

    You can pretty easily prove which individual is a man and which is a woman (not considering the LGBTQ circumstances now).

    1 minute ago, Davino said:

    You can't never know. But if you don't even know it yourself, then for sure it is impossible.

    You can intuit it. It's easier to say someone is not God-Realized than to say it actually is. 

    Ok, so... you don't know. You don't know how to prove if someone is God-Realized or not. Yes?

  12. Posted · Edited by Vajra

    55 minutes ago, Davino said:

    This is why I told you to realize God first because then you will at least have a chance to recognise God-Realization in others. 

     

     

    47 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

    I can not prove it to you because Realization is direct. You have to grasp yourself. 

     

    44 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    If something tastes like ego, then it's not god. 

     

    Ok, so we have a few things here.

    Davino is saying that it CAN be proven whether someone is God-Realized or not but in order for it to be proven to me, I myself have to be God-Realized. In other words, one's God-Realization can be proven only to another God-Realized individual. OK.

    Javfly33 is saying that it's not possible to prove that an individual is God-Realized.

    Salvijus is saying that we can prove it through something he calls "taste".

     

    Wow, we got a lot of opinions here. Can we come to some consensus? Who's telling the truth?


    (Aaand of course @Bazooka Jesus and @Arthogaan and @Davino are joking around :) also something... :D YEP )

  13. Posted

    Let me clarify it even more.

    The contemplation here IS NOT: "What is God-Realization?" or "What is God?"

    It IS: "How can we tell if a person who is speaking about God-Realization is speaking only from memory, what he read, what he heard... or from, through, and as God-Realization?"

    We are dancing around it. Playing around. Not answering the question.

    It seems like nobody here has the answer.

  14. Posted

    Just now, Javfly33 said:

    I can´t prove you that I am God-Realized because there's no an I that realises God. God just awakens within a particular being. 

    I can not prove you that I am God Realized because I am not God realized. I do not exist. Only God. 

    But would you say that some people come to this Realization that you just described and some not?

    The masses on the street... are they conscious of this?

    Is there any difference between these individuals and you?

    If not... well then, maybe you are not God-Realized. Or are in some other way. Or it's some kind of another thing.

    But if there IS a difference between that individual that I am writing to right now and any random individual who considers themselves to be a separate entity, then I am asking you (this body-mind that I am writing to right now, that individual, or seeming individual), to somehow tell me how I can know that you really are not experiencing yourself as that separate self.

  17. Posted

    @Javfly33 @Yimpa @Davino

    You guys probably didn't read what I am really asking... I explained more in detail as the conversation went.

    I am not asking - prove to me God.

    I am asking - prove to me that you are God-Realized.

    There is a difference.

    We are speaking here about a relative thing. An individual Realizing that they are God.

    And that becomes ESPECIALLY important, when that individual is claiming something like - I am more Realized than this person, or that person, or anybody in the world.

    That's a VERY relativistic claim. If you claim that, show me some proof, tell me how you know, or how I can know. Don't just say it and have us believe. 

  18. Posted

    My point here seems to be:

    Is God-Realization really just limited to having a personal discovery of it and then speaking about it?

    Moreover, speaking about it such, that we cannot prove it, or really show the other person the truth of it, that all we can say is DISCOVER IT FOR YOURSELF?

    Could it be that there is more? Much more? Much much more?

    Just trying to push the limits, of what we believe God-Realization is, where its boundaries lie, what can be "done" with it.

    Thanks All 🖐️

  21. Posted

    Just now, Salvijus said:

    Maybe to tell a difference between someone stupid and someone wise, you need to be wise also. 

    To tell the difference between someone pure and someone full of ego, you'd need to be pure yourself. 

    To tell a difference between Aware person and ignorant one, you'd have to be one yourself. 

    Maybe that's the answer. 

    Ok.

    You are saying a God-Realized person can only communicate completely that they are God-Realized to another God-Realized individual.

    Might be!

    :) 

  22. Posted · Edited by Vajra

    2 minutes ago, Phil King said:

    in my opinion this is a stupid statement because to God, there are no distinctions of individuals. 

    Ok, so you are saying God cannot distinguish individuals.

    Humans can, humans have that ability.

    God doesn't.

    Therefore humans have an ability that God doesn't.

    Possible... why not, but then God is something limited and conditioned under that kind of a description.

    Correct?

  23. Posted

    Just now, Leo Gura said:

    God can't be communicated to you.

    If it could, it wouldn't be God.

    You take the limits of communucation for granted.

     

    "You take the limits of communucation for granted."

    I don't. I am saying - find a way to communicate to me (such that I will have no doubt) that you are God-Realized.

    You are saying it's not possible.

    That is, you are imposing limits on communication here.

    Am I right?

  25. Posted

    Just now, Leo Gura said:

    It's weak question because you believe all sorts of stuff that humans tell you all the time.

    How do you know anything humans tell you is real? You go out and test it for yourself.

    I could be bullshitting you. Go find out.

    What I am saying is that if you ARE God-Realized, cannot there be a human or beyond-human way to communicate that to me without doubt?

    You are essentially saying that there is no way you can communicate it to me without doubt.

    THAT's a weak answer, I would say.