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  1. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    Maybe you misunderstood him somehow. I think yes. God looks like Jesus because he is an embodyment of god. God also looks like Krishna and Shiva and buddha and what not because these beings and god a literally sinonimous. Perhaps this is what he meant.

    No I am sure what he meant. I debated with him.  He says only jesus is true. God in its infinite form appeared on earth as jesus and disclosed his image to everybody. 

    He says god doesnt look like other human being. 

    He means god with anthromorphic form having hands and legs which is infinite consciousness and is one with us. 

  2. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    Lol

    Yes. Christ consciouness is the source of the universe. Jesus was an embodyment of this consciouness. There were many beings who reached and embodied this consciouness. Jesus was just one of those avatars of god. But god has many avatars. Not just Jesus.

    Perhaps this help

     

    He says God has image and he looks like jesus. He rejects that jesus was human who realised that he was God. He instead insists Jesus appeared personally in its infinite form on earth. And God has form that looks like jesus. 

  3. Posted · Edited by machiavelli

    24 minutes ago, The Lucid Dreamer said:

     

    Infinite nothingness has no name and no form, by definition.   The character of Jesus is imaginary and only a temporary form within infinite consciousness. Of course.  

    But he says same too. He emphasize the fact, that christ consciousness is only true. This world is appearance of christ consciousness. He says " God is both form and formlessness ". And God has image which looks like Jesus.

    Is it possible jesus was in infinite form when he was on earth?

    Man please clear my confusion. 




     

  4. Posted

    3 minutes ago, The Lucid Dreamer said:

    Boy, that is some serious cognitive dissonance.  I would have laughed in his face because of how absolutely absurd a thing to say that is.

    He is into spirituality and enlightenment since many years and has devoted countless hours into enlightenment.

    He says " Jesus is everyone and I am jesus too ". 

    He says " Jesus lives outside time and space and whole reality is manifestation of Jesus only. " 
    I feel confused why infinite consciousness choose a form like jesus. 

    Why not aliens? Their are infinite number of universe with alien civilization in it. Why god choose jesus figure only?

    Other religion people will not accept jesus image to worship. They have their own beliefs on god . For example islam. They will not accept jesus figure in their entire life to pray. 

  5. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

    @machiavelli If you want people to take you seriously on this forum, then for your own sake just shut up 

    Why soo mean?  What did I do? I was just clearing my doubts. 

    I just want to know is god formless or god looks like jesus? 
    Was jesus in infinite god form which came down personally on earth?

  6. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

    @machiavelli No, your friend is just using these phrases to push his dogmatic religious worldview and you are gullible enough to believe it 

    But his teachings is in line of leo. He says god is infinite consciousness and is jesus who once walked on earth to guide everybody to LOVE. He says jesus was in his infinite form when he appeared on earth. 

    I said to him jesus might be true but he was human and how can human be in its infinite god mode form?

    He said " This world is manifestation in the consciousness of jesus and everything is Jesus ". That mean I am jesus too. And so is everyone.

    He says infinite consciousness looks like jesus figure. 

    I replied to him " Consciousness has no form and is nothingness so how consciousness can appear as jesus ".

    He said " Jesus is nothingness itself ; Jesus is infinite love ".

    I said to him god has no image. But insists god has image and looks like jesus only. So I must pray to jesus figure only . 

    Do god really came down on earth personally and are we all jesus?

  7. Posted

    5 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

    Your friend is not enlightened, he is deluded 

    But he says he devoted his years into spirituality and enlightenment. 

    Actually I follow leo's teaching and he says god is infinite formless consciousness. I was debating with my enlightened friend who somewhat says in the line of leo that god is infinite consciousness who choose jesus figure to appear on earth .

    I told him about leo and what he taught me. But he says it is all correct that god is consciousness and reality is a dream . But god which is infinite consciousness incarnated into its infinite form as jesus on earth to lead people on correct path of love. So I must pray to jesus figure only.

    I asked him where do jesus came then? He replied " Jesus doesnt came he is reality itself. " . " God actual image is jesus ". 

    I asked him whats makes him special and why do I pray jesus figure ? He said " because jesus is manifestation of infinite consciousness and he resides in everyone and in everything. 

    Do god really looks like jesus? Is my friend correct? He says he has been into spirituality since many years and know his stuff. 

    How can infinite consciousness be born as human figure in its infinite form on earth?


     

  8. Posted

    My enlightened friend says god is one and he is none other than jesus. But I asked him if god is infinite consciousness and is formless then how do god looks like jesus?

    He replied " God is consciousness which is correct, but he appeared on earth for saving all people and he did all miracles which proves god personally came to earth ".

    He said this world is mere dream in jesus consciousness. And everything is jesus and everyone is jesus. 

    But I asked him why do god choose to appear as jesus figure only? There are infinite number of alien civilization and infinite number of universes. Whats special in jesus. Why do I pray to him? 

    He said god did incarnate personally as jesus. And he looks like him. We must pray to jesus as god looks like jesus and he is everyone and everything.

    I am confused here. Why god which is infinite consciousness  chose only jesus to appear on earth? Did jesus really came from sky?

    Did jesus sitting in some dimension who created this world and who personally incarnated on earth to save all humans and is we are one with him?

    My friend says " He is everything and is everyone ; and we must pray to jesus only as infinite consciousness chose jesus figure and disclosed how it looks like .

    He said god looks like jesus. Is it true guys?

    I said him jesus was human only not some sky being. But he rejected and said jesus came from some dimension who created this universe and is one with us.

    Is my enlightened friend correct?

  9. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Frenk said:

    You haven't read them all. I have read nde's where people are thrown into infinite love, consciousness and their lives are changed forever (based on their reports)

     

    @Frenk Thats not what I asked about. I asked why they differ? Why they differ according to religion?

    Why not god show full non dual experience after we die?

    Why confuse with all sorts of experiences like its not your time , you have to go back! God of death (From mythology ) asking his attendents that they have picked up wrong person from the village and ask them to bring another person from same village with similar name ( NDE of a Hindu -1970).

    Why soo much discrepancies?

    Why not god show truth at one go ? Why not same NDE to all ? why some people see Jesus ? Is jesus is only GOD? What about rest of people of earth who has their own gods?

  10. Posted

    17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    1) I talk about karma too. God loves everything but that doesn't mean you avoid consequences for selfish action. Karma is not a punishment from God.

    2) I talk about hell realms and so on. It's just a bad trip. It is not that God throws you into hell, it is that you dream up hell for yourself. Like a nightmare.

    3) You can have an infinite number of different bad trips.

    4) All these NDEs are still dreams. They are not full awakening. You are God! You are dreaming up all these people with NDEs.

    @Leo Gura Why NDE's differ by religious background?

    For ex- Christian see JESUS in NDE and Hindu sees Yama ( God of Death in hindu mythology ) ? Why not straight full Non Dual experience which happens in 5 MEO DMT or other pyschedelic . 

    Why themes of NDE differ according to belief of individual person? 

    Why god is playing tricks on us by confusing with all this?

  11. Posted

    I have researched about hundreds of NDE's. And they seems to confuse me on several points which contradict leo's teaching~

    1. NDE talks about Karma . It is again and again shown in several NDE's that our present life karma affect our next life . And how much we harm others will directly lead us to bad karma and will affect next life. Which contradict leo's teaching as he says everything is love. God doesnt judge whether we kill others or rape. Because GOD loves all thing rapes, murder etc. So why NDE shows that karma exits and its is typical like what you do to others you will get back same whether in present life or next life time. Depending on how much you hurt others.

    2. NDE always differ in theme. Some people have hellish experience. In which people are thrown into hell. And darkest pits where there are demons. And when people take JESUS name they are being rescued from these hell. Whats up with this?
    Why all loving GOD throws someone in hell ?
    If GOD is infinite love then why he choose to throw some bad people in hell? But they are always rescued once they ask JESUS for rescue.

    3. Different people have different NDE. And they always show its not their time right now . Go back! 

    It seems like GOD is unaware of poeple's time of death. IF god is INFINITELY INTELLIGENCE then why did he make mistake in first place ? Which contradict LEO's teaching that GOD is INFINITELY INTELLIGENCE.

    4. Different religion NDE 's  have different theme like seeing messenger of death saying that you have brought a wrong person from a certain village. Go and bring another person from another village with same name. what's up with this?

    Do GOD isnt aware of what person to bring back ? Do he get confused by similar names?


     

  12. Posted

    7 hours ago, Philipp said:

    I think you feel sad for losing friends. That is evolutionary one of the main causes of sadness, since sadness is supposed to bring you back closer to your friends and loved ones. 

    I am not sure if Leo really knows this process, of loosing many friends due to spiritual evolution. This is something especially young people who are maybe even in shool when they watch actualized.org, would struggle with. I am not sure if Leo had that many friends to start with. This is not anything against him, since I love what he does, but it is tough this process of losing friends due to spiritual evolution. I don't really have any answers for you. I myself managed to kept some friendships alive, but the difference in consciousness definitly creates a kind of gap. You can relate with them, but they cannot relate with you anymore. 

    You spoke my heart.

    I feel the same. As I am spiritual and other people are religious there is conflict in ideas and world view. My friends are religious and equate religion with nationalism. That is atleast what our gov try to potray . 

     Due to my habit of posting political post most of my friends distanced from me. 

     

     

  15. Posted

    4 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

    Right now I wanna go on social media and complain about the 9pm curfew that's going on in my country.

     It has to be totally fucking the economy.

    But mostly is about freedom. This COVID BS is the fucking 3rd world war man.

    IMO That Covid shit is a bio-weapon IDGAF about being labeled as a CT

     

    So as you can see we all got frustration against the fucking government. It's obvious nothing but a bunch of thieves. If you focus on those things that carry that energy you will be getting the same. If I was you I would try to focus on something else. Your thoughts are energy use that energy the right  way.

     

    Arc

    @Arcangelo I feel nomatter what happens certain people will always vote for right wing gov no matter how badly their is inflation in country. How badly poor are suffering.

    When gov is working to establish religious supremacy and play with emotions of people the people become self centered. They will stick to their religious extremist gov till death.

  16. Posted · Edited by machiavelli

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Your hatred will destroy you.

    That is what's happening.

    How can you claim to be spiritual when you hate things so actively?

    Realize that you are being religious like your friends, just in a different way.

    Attacking things that are unjust does not solve the problem of injustice. You must realize this is a foolish way to go about it. You have to be constructive and practice Spiral Wizardry when dealing with people are lower levels of development than you. Otherwise you create evil.

    @Leo Gura I have past traumas too. My friends behaved badly on social media with me for posting stuff against the rulling gov which is religious.

    Actually as you taught love is the ultimate truth so I project everything should be good. 

    I want the world to change. I want people of India to change. They support right wing religious extremist /facist gov who hijaked every gov body such as supreme court , media, news agencies , cbi, election commission etc. People's dissent are being supressed. Whoever speak against the ruling gov is labelled as anti national.  This hurts me alot. 

    And my friends donot ever speak against the gov. All because of religion. All bec the ruling gov is targeting muslims in our country which are minority.  

    I dont want people hurting others due to religion. I had been constantly raising my voice against right wing facist gov but all I got is I lost my friends.

    Many of my friends unfollowed me on social media.

    My likes got reduced over the period of 4 years . Now I hardly get any like.

    I feel very depressed. What I have done. 

    It hurts badly when your best friend unfriend you for constantly posting political post against the gov. I have deep anger for it. How can people be soo biased and think about themselves only. Why they are not thinking holisticaly like you do. Like every conscious being do. They dont care whether their is inflation. All they care is religious supremacy and hegemony. 

     

  18. Posted

    12 minutes ago, Average Investor said:

    It might not hurt to make your own page that posts these types of things. If you are committed to the cause and passionate about it, then it would probably be worth it. You could even make money talking about stuff like that these days. I know a lot more people are starting to use the internet in India, so there is a large audience there for sure. 

    Also, don't get caught up too much in the likes and all of that garbage. 

    @Average Investor I dont want to make a channel. I feel depressed seeing all this careless nature of gov. I dont enjoy. I hate ruling gov. They are hell bent on destroying the nation by their religious exterimist ideology. We have criminals in the cabinet who have lots of charges such as murder, rape etc against them. I feel pity seeing all this.

    I am spiritual and thats why its hurts to see people suffering due to this government.

    few months ago thousands of people died due to shortage of oxygen because gov was careless and was busy in election rallies. 

    hospitals were stretched to maximum capacity. And entire health care system collapsed. 

    All this hurts me. And I post against gov. But my friends hate it.

    Now they dont like my posts.

     

  19. Posted

    11 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

    Holy shit life is too short don't waste it like that.

    You are worrying about the amount of likes????

    Oh man!

    Get out now that you can, this can lead to depression and suicide.

     

     

     

    Yes man I feel pity now. It is all due to spiritual work. I feel pain of everybody now. And hate government.

    I cant stop posting against gov on social media.

    Damage is already being done as I said.

    Due to my constant posting of political post people unfollowed me.

    I feel depressed now.

  20. Posted

    I had been posting 3-4 political post on social media since 2 years. Due to which people started hating me. My likes dropped as compared to previous 5 years. I most of the time enaged in fights on social media . 

    I am highly spiritual. Thats why I suffer seeing every suffering of others due to rulling government.

    I am leftist because I speak for poor and depressed class. I speak for reforms . I speak for equality. But the ruling gov in india is very religious. They are hell bent on destroying economy, gdp and its own poor people.

    Rich are getting richer , poor are getting more poor. Gov doing everything in favor of capitalist . 

    As the gov is religious , stands on principle of dictatorship eventhough we have largest democracy in the world. Gov is spreading hate through its paid media, newspapers, and IT CELL.

    We have problem of casteism too in our religion. Casteism is going rampant too in the tenure of this gov . Caste based hatred , killings, rapes etc.

    Religious based hatred. Using sedition to supress voices.

    Problem is I have lost many friend due to my posting of political post against ruling gov. Because I cant see poor suffering. 

    I cant see people hating people .

    I feel anger when half of the population of the country suffers due to this religious gov.

    As its supporters is religious people too. They started hating me because i post against them.

    What to do? 

    Due to this habbit i have lost friend circle and now they dont behave as before. I can feel changes in them regarding me. Idk but I can feel by witnessing how my likes on post dropped over the years.

    The problem is I am spiritual. Other people are not. They are religious. And support this facist gov just because they are working for their religion not nation.

    I found myself in midst of quarrel due to my habbit of posting political post on social media.

    Now the damage has been done.

    I have lost many friends. Due to my beliefs and ideological difference. And most importantly because i am spiritual and want to see change in country . Want to see gov working for its nation not religion. Uplifting poor people.

    What shall i do? 

     

     

     

     

  25. Posted

    8 hours ago, OneHandClap said:

    A few things.

    Cessation of breath typically precedes the jhanic states in Buddhism. Look up jhanas for more info. The most crucial aspect of them is abandoning desire to reach any specific state. You must surrender your aspiration to surrender :)

    Second, pressure in the head typically means you are consciously holding your breath, not letting it stop on its own. You are creating pressure there by withholding the respiratory process. 

    Third, you do not need an OBE to realize your true nature. Stillness is enough. 

    I am not consciously holding my breath. When I enter into deep states my heart rate slows down and my breathing ceases. 

    I feel vibrations on my face in those states. And feel like some outside force on my cheeks and head. Its strange. 

    I want to surrender but I hardly breathes in those states. I have to consciously breath as I feel anxiety due to it. Which is not letting me to go more deeper .