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    34 minutes ago, Preetom said:

    I mean aren't all the developed counties boast about their 'good' justice system?

    Its not like mooji is some cult leader in some jungle in Kenya.

    How come there are so many victims and yet they cant get help from the legal system or any NGO associated with these stuff.

    Anyway I saw videos where it is explained that Mooji has his own team of lawyers and somehow he has managed to have a monopoly over this entire situation.

    Anyone trying to upload such allegations on YouTube against mooji gets threatened by his lawyers 

     

    34 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

    And also: if Mooji did something bad the women would've reported him to the police. 

    You guys are totally clueless when it comes to understanding how cults and "mind control" works.

    Watch LEO's videos on cults. 

  3. Posted

    Just now, Preetom said:

    @whoareyou my concern is if these complaints are true, how come Mooji still roaming and doing this thing as if nothing happened?

     

    But its true that lots of spiritual circles and communities are withdrawing their support for Mooji e.g. Buddha at the Gas pump took down Mooji's interview and removed him from their list.

    Because most people would be silenced and would be scared to come out.  He also has a lot of followers, who would defend him till the end.

    That's how most cults are able to operate without any repercussions.

    Did you see some of the replies in this thread? People would just assume the victims are the crazy. Imagine being one of the victims.

  4. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    26 minutes ago, Esoteric said:

    I'm not denying I could be wrong. But she can state things all she wants but where is the evidence for any of this? 

    Have you seen her videos with Mooji? I have seen her on 2 occasions on Mooji satsangs being really emotionally unstable. And yeah, calling her crazy was inconsiderate of me. She was clearly awestruck and dependant on Mooji it seemed like though, feeling rejected by him and made a fuzz about it. This video was on her youtube channel but I see she has taken it down. Imo she clearly could have gotten mad at Mooji again and wanted him destroyed. Emotions are strong shit.

    No why would I say that about women who have come out being raped? That is just a silly question from you. Tanya White wasn't even accusing of rape. I am talking about this case. Hell, I am not even saying fishy things aren't going on there at the ashram. But from what I gathered I am not impressed at all with they "have" on him.

    Do you understand that she is not the only person? Besides her, you can find a lot of reports online - and all have similarities to what she has said and the reporter wrote on that article. I have provided links to some of the stories in this thread.

    Do you understand why the people who were abused, choose to stay anonymous?  Do you understand how hard it would be to gather sufficient "evidence" in this case?

    Why do other spiritual teachers don't have anything like this about them?

    Regarding rape, I used it as an anology. When rape victims come out, do you usually say the same thing - it's not sufficient evidence? You treat that situation differently.

    Of course we can't know 100%, and I could be wrong, but there is certainly a lot of red flags.

     

  5. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    2 hours ago, Esoteric said:

    Tanya White is batshit fucking crazy. Yes it is confirmed she was a follower. There are also videos of her being irritated at Mooji because she didn't feel acknowledged by him. There are other videos of her clearly being an emotional mess. So wow, how shocking she would eventually turn on him. Almost as shocking as Sheila (was that her name?) turning on Osho. I mean who saw that coming?!

    It is seriously scary how easy it is to use sexual misconduct allegations to attack someone. You don't even need to be a good writer or come from a credible source. People will eat it all up anyway.

     Why do you automatically assume that she is "batshit crazy"? Do you say the same about the women who come out after they been raped?

    If she was an actual victim of abuse, it would not be surprising to see her be irritated. What she said in this video, is BEYOND sexual allegations.

    She states that:

    1) There is a clear abuse of power. He is a predator who preys on the women under the pretext of "spiritual master"

    2) People are manipulated and silenced

    3) It's a cult - they do a lot of cultish things there all the time

    4) Women are told that if they have sex with him, their awakening would come quicker

    5) Get out while you can

    6) His non-dual teachings are the TRUTH, but he doesn't have a monopoly on the truth.

    What she says is very reasonable, doesn't actually come off as crazy to me, and seems genuine. 

    Watch your own projections - you could very well be wrong.

  6. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    @whoareyou I basically just don't trust the reporter.

    I could be wrong but my best guess is she's exaggerating heavily. The things she's accusing are very serious and require significant cooroboration, otherwise Mooji is slandered.

    @Leo Gura What about this video? Please watch the entire video from the mark that I linked you to:

    Tanya White has been one of this followers for a very long time, and confirms lot of those VERY SERIOUS accusations here on video:

     

    You can confirm that it's his real follower and not some fake, trying to slander:

     

    The video seems to be very genuine, I don't see any reason why this woman would just make this up.

    IF those things happen to be true, do you realize why it would be hard to report on them, when most of the abused victims are silenced and they fear for their lives? This is a real serious issue, which goes far beyond this particular "teacher".

  7. Posted

    @Leo Gura Going back to what we discussed, terminology that you use makes a big difference. It is especially important when it comes to discussing deeper and more nuanced topics. 

    Why is it better to use terms "conscious" vs "unconscious" instead of "moral" vs "immoral"? Because for us, morality already goes out of the window, as it's based on "right" vs "wrong", which is very relative. 

    You can have 2 cases, where both people commit an action others may view as "immoral", yet one person may do it "consciously" and the other may do it "unconsciously". In our example, IF ALL the allegations that Mooji faces would all be true, I would view those actions probably as "unconscious". Why? Because of distortion of truth. This would mean that he may have had "awakening experiences", but obviously not anywhere close to being "liberated"/"enlightened". And I am not referring to sex here. Distorting the truth is what EGO does, and where highly unconscious actions come from.

    You would probably agree with me that "authenticity" is a quality that liberated human beings have. Which is why, I would say that he has had "awakening experiences", but he is probably not "liberated"/"enlightened".

     

     

     

  8. Posted

    @Leo Gura I am not only here to learn from you, but from everyone else on this forum as well(who puts in the work into learning). I have learned a lot from you, but with certain things I tend to disagree with. I don't you view as a "teacher", nor do I put on you on a pedestal. I believe that you are not only here to teach, but to learn as well, am I right? The way I see it, is that we are all students and teachers here.

    Reading my last post now, I understand that I may have came off aggressive or arrogant, and that was not my intention. I apologize for that.  I have no intention of trying to "school" you, I just voiced the way I see things as honestly as I could.

    Constructive criticism is important though, and I am sure you appreciate it. And that is the difference between cults, and actualized - I don't have to agree with everything you say. Weather if I end up learning from you or you end up learning from me, it's a win-win for everybody.

     

  9. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    That's a dangerous assumption.

    It's not an assumption, it's my guess, based on my own experiences with doing a lot 5-MEO, other psychedelics, meditation, etc.

    In this case I can say that your assumption is dangerous.

     

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    Because I have awoken many times.

    And so have I, except you don't see me making videos about it, or field reports. You are not the only one that is working with entheogens here.

    Unless you have completely liberated yourself, this does not mean much.

     

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    That's a very dangerous idea which is precisely what I'm trying to help you to question.

    I'd like you to start imagining that even at high levels of consciousness those actions can happen. Because factually they DO! As you can clearly see throughout history.

    To define enlightenment as the absence of immoral action is very problematic. That's not what enlightenment is.

    I did not define enlightenment, because it cannot be defined. All I said was that probability is certainly way lower for somebody doing things which you view as "highly immoral". You see, I don't view actions as "moral" or "immoral". I view them as "conscious" vs "unconscious". Majority of actions people view as "highly immoral" come from unconsciousness, which pretty much don't happen at highest level of consciousness. 

    How you view "history" is very relative, and does not say much about "enlightenment" here.

    If you think so otherwise, all I got to tell you, is that you got a LOT more work to do in your own journey.

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    I can't tell you how I know the things I know because what we're talking about here is too deep to explain in a simple linear sequence of words. Entire books would have to be written about it, and still most people reading them would not be able to understand it because they lack the requisite experience.

    As someone who studies this stuff professionally, I'm here to give you guidance about things you probably have never deeply studied or have direct experience of. That's the whole point of a good teacher, to show you things you aren't yet aware of. This does not make the teacher infallible, and yet he must still teach. So here we are. Make of it what you will.

    No amount of studying or reading will make you understand how it really is, unless if you go through the entire process yourself and will have a experience. It is your biggest blessing and a curse - the amount of studying that you do.

    Like I told you in the past, I disagree with what you consider "enlightenment", and how you determine certain individuals to be "enlightened" vs "not enlightened". 

    Also, your usage of the terminology such as "enlightenment" and "awakenings" are very confusing and misleading to most people. If I was you, I would drop that terminology, and just use "liberated", "not liberated". Either the full thing or nothing.  What you refer to as "awakenings" on psychedelics, I would refer to as "break through experiences". 

     

  10. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    And like I mentioned, most people who were abused, actually wish to stay anonymous. (people in this thread were asking for sources LOL)

    Due to fear, a lot of people do not bother reporting people like Mooji.

    Here is an example from the cult forum, where you can clearly see this:

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    "corboy Wrote:
    -------------------------------------------------------
    > Dear xivoparig
    >
    > You are very fortunate that you heard what you say
    > you heard.
    >
    > If at any point you receive abusive or dodgy
    > private messages, please send copies to Rick Ross,
    > moderator of this message board.
    >
    > Mr. Ross can be contacted here:
    >
    > [forum.culteducation.com]
    >
    > Some may come across pretending to work on an
    > expose of Mooji trying to get you
    > to give your name and address.
    >
    > If anyone claims to be a journalist or police
    > investigator, take precautions to ensure
    > that the person is legitimate.
    >
    > Find out whether that person is a seasoned
    > journalist linked up and supported by a media
    > outlet with a good legal department. A freelance
    > journalist may not have the resources to protect
    > your anonymity.
    >
    > Your friend Sarah is in a difficult situation.
    >
    > It is awful to recognize one has been used.
    >
    > Am sorry to say that for many, the one way to
    > break the spell is discovering that others are
    > being treated exactly the same way. That they too
    > have been told that they are special, unique, that
    > they are the only ones worthy of special
    > attention.
    >
    > That is how most abusers are exposed - when their
    > victims assemble and compare stories.
    >
    > In selecting confidantes, be careful of anyone who
    > might be a guru sympathizer.
    >
    > If a potential confidante happens to be someone
    > who does yoga or meditation or has buddhist
    > affiliations, satisfy yourself that he or she does
    > not also belong to a guru.
    >
    > (In tibetan buddhism, gurus are also called tulkus
    > lamas and rinpoches)
    >
    > One may be a guru disciple and experience oneself
    > f as capable of journalistic objectivity in
    > relation to guru abuses, but IMO, emotional
    > dependence on a guru is a form of intoxication
    > that can subvert the best education and sharpest
    > intellect and professional ethics.
    >
    > Guru disciples who interact with the outside world
    > often become skilled at concealing the extent of
    > their guru addiction behind facades of skepticism
    > and intellectual tolerance, rather like heroin
    > addicts who take care to hide the scars on their
    > arms and drunkards who conceal the stench by using
    > mouth wash.
    >
    > Even if it is not their own guru who is exposed,
    > those who are addicted to gurus or who hope a real
    > guru does exist somewhere will automatically feel
    > threatened toward anyone attempting to report guru
    > abuses.

    Thank you corboy. That is good good advice for everyone.
    I am trusting no-one. Not even you. I do not want to be interviewed and I recognize the danger in speaking about what happened. The whole Mooji cult works on followers deflecting and entrapment. The constant repetitiveness of tasks, chants that make the cult a part of your daily life. I saw this starting to happen to me. I saw lots of potential people in this position, giving their money and bodies away to this cult. This is the first place that came up on search so I posted. I want Mooji exposed and I am hoping this gets publicized and the press jumps on him. I know that if Sarah or others search the internet this post will come up and they can read and reflect on themselves how to get out before they are in too deep. My message to Mooji and any other cult that IS your life is don't be blinded and lead on with 'belief'.

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  12. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Enlightenment does not mean what you think it means. It prescribes no specific ways of behavior. Enlightenment is realization of one's true nature. What one does afterwards is a whole nother matter. Survival needs are still operative.

    I didn't say that it prescribes a specific way of behavior. I am saying, that with enlightenment, your behavior automatically adjusts. 

    What you refer to then is Zen devilry, a half ass enlightenment? 

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    I sense that you are taking a judgmental attitude on this whole topic. This clouds your understanding of enlightenment.

    If a guy is conscious of his true nature but sexually abuses his students, I have no problem calling him enlightened because enlightenment is a very specific thing which does not hinge on moral actions. You must be careful not to equate enlightenment with some idealized notion of being Christ-like.

    Why are you so sure that your understanding of "enlightenment" is more accurate than mine? 

    I am not saying that one has to be Christ-like, but the things that Mooji have allegedly done, are FAR from what a "conscious" person looks like.

    I equate enlightenment with highest levels of consciousness, and at highest level of consciousness I don't see those actions ever happening.

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    Also keep in mind there are many degrees of enlightenment, many degrees of embodiment of it, and many stages & lines of development which are all independent of enlightenment. This is a very complex topic which is understood by very few spiritual teachers.

    Unless you have gone through all the stages yourself, there is NO WAY that you can know this to be true. 

    All you really have is an idea, which you perceive to be a certain way, which you think you have a very good understanding of, when you actually don't. (We are all in the same boat)

    If you don't know, then why talk about it like it's a fact?

  13. Posted

    @mandyjw This terminology would make more sense. Yes you can use your mind to make a bomb or cure cancer - the difference is the level of consciousness.

    If someone is at a very high level of consciousness, people refer to them as "awake" or "enlightened". Which is why words like "enlightenment" should not be used very loosely, as many people on this forum do.

    @abrakamowse

    If you can use "enlightenment" to make devilish things, then it's not an "enlightenment" because to make devilish things requires you to be unconscious. You are using the word "enlightenment" too loosely, just like LEO.

  14. Posted

    2 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

    @whoareyou There is a type of awakening that intensifies your personality and ego. You see the world as you, but you see it as your oyster. You're completely high on power, drunk. You have charisma and people are inexplicably attracted to you. 

    Then you are called to throw it all away AGAIN and see it all as emptiness again. But some people take that power and run with it, or they know nothing else. 

    This is the same dynamic with rock stars and what lead to the #metoo movement. People get drunk off power. Enlightenment gives you power. If you think that you're finished with enlightenment when you awaken, you're not, you have to integrate the ego again, you finally see how much of your ego you were repressing when it's finally free to come out. 

    Go home Mooji, you're drunk. I wish that people could just offer what they have to the world without ruining it. It's funny that enlightened spiritual teachers are making the same mistakes as Donald Trump.

    The truth is we'd still rather elect Donald over Hillary and we'd rather continue to respect and listen to all these spiritual teachers like Mooji and Osho rather than have to listen to a woman instead, because everyone knows that power makes women ugly and submission makes them a hot piece of ass. 

    Except what you call "awakening" and "enlightenment" are not TRUE awakenings and enlightenments. If you are high on power, this means that you are unconscious, and if you are unconscious - it means that you are asleep. There is a difference between getting the taste of awakening and actually having an awakening.

    True enlightenment doesn't give you anything you don't already have. 

    You used to be a Christian, so you probably understand when Jesus warned about false prophets and masters. The ones that you think are "enlightened" and "awakened" but they are not. Mooji is a good example of that.

     

  15. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    No, I mostly mean just sleeping with lots of people without going exclusive with any one.

    Abuse of power is a very relative thing and difficult to adjudicate. You'd have to be more specific by what that actually means. Yes, I suspect he does use his fame/status to help his own survival, which you could call an abuse of power. But then again, this is what survival is all about. This is how most people live. Famous people often use their fame to get easy sex.

    I'm not sure why there would be prostitution or even if this activity is a crime in his country. You'd have to specify what prostitution means in his case. Is he forcing women to have sex for money? Is he paying women to have sex with him? That seems farfetched. If he is, obviously that's a problem.

    According to some reports, one of them which I linked to you already, a person described a situation where Mooji forced a woman to be his prostitute.

    It is more than just using fame/status to get easy sex, it is abusing the position of an "enlightened master", and twisting spiritual truth to get what he wants. For example, telling a student that their awakening would come quicker if they have sex with him is a SERIOUS abuse.

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    Because it's clear he has some degree of enlightenment. What degree is hard to say. Probably not the highest degree.

    You can't really teach the things he's teaching without some degree of enlightenment.

    It's important not to conflate enlightenment with moral perfection. These are very distinct things.

    If that is the case, then your definition of "enlightenment" is a very loose one. To teach what he is teaching is not rocket science - you LEO can easily teach the stuff that he is teaching.

    We are not talking about moral perfection here. We are talking about serious abuse and causes a huge amount of suffering to other people. In order to do those things, you have to be unconscious to a huge degree, and that certainly would exclude enlightenment in my book.

    "Enlightenment" and "morality" are distinct, but they overlap as the person gets closer to enlightenment. 

    Imo, you really need to re-evaluate your definition of "enlightenment" and who you view as "enlightened".

  16. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    @whoareyou I have been suspicious of Mooji from the very beginning. Not suspicious of his enlightenment -- I think that's legit -- but shadow issues. This is very common. Loose sexual activity tends to be extremely common in small spiritual communities. It's so common I don't even blink when I hear of it. I just expect it as a given.

    If a woman is  going to sleep with Mooji, it's pretty obvious what the end result will be. It would be silly to assume he'd marry you and stay true to you given all the women who worship him. The problem is, when women worship him and then sleep with him, they only become even more attached to him and by that point they cannot help it. They will naturally get clingy, fall in love with him, but he's probably not gonna restrict who he sleeps with because at his level of consciousness it doesn't matter from his POV. And then this ends up emotionally hurting lots of women who fall in love with him because they want to make him go exclusive.

    By "loose sexual activity", do you include prostitution and abuse of his power, for him to have sex? Do you understand what some of the sexual allegations are about? He tells some of the women that if they sleep with him, they would get their "awakening" quicker.  And sure enough, why would they question the enlightened master? 

    Why are you not suspicious of his enlightenment? How can you know it's legit? Why do you question the reporting, but not his enlightenment? 

    Didn't Jesus give warnings about false prophets and masters? The ones that you think are "enlightened", but it's just a devil that is hiding and abuses his power.

     

  17. Posted

    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    Again, all of that assumes the reporting is accuate and not exaggerated or taken out of context. That's a big assumption unless you have personal experience of being inside that community.

    The reason I skimmed the article is because I have no idea if what's being reported is accurate and I intuit a bias on behalf of the reporter. Ultimately I don't know.

    Of course I encourage anyone entering any kind of spiritual community to be very mindful of red flags and cult behavior, which is why I realease 2 videos about cults and put 4 books about cults in my book list. Armed with such information it will be very hard to get sucked into a cult.

    We can't know 100% for sure, but I am willing to give the reporting the benefit of the doubt, for these reasons:

    1) Mooji has faced sexual allegations for years. This is not the only thing out there.

    For example here is a big thread where other women are coming out:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/88nf2l/mooji_metoo_movement/

    Here is also a cult forum where people share VERY disturbing reports about him:

    https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,135827,page=9

    2) Using intuition and inference from what I see on the videos - you just don't see those kinds of things from some other known Gurus.

     

     

  19. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    18 minutes ago, SerpaeTetra said:

    Plus no sources for the quotes, everything is anonymous?  I looked at 3 articles, and not one direct source in there.  It just seems exaggerated to me.  The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.  

    The videos are alone enough of any proof that you would need. 

    How do you expect the investigative journalist to post all the sources, if the sources wish to be anonymous? A lot of people are in fear for their lives, and you expect them to be outed? 

    You apparently missed one:

    Here is one that was linked in the article: 

     

     

    26 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

    https://culture-or-cult.com/index.php/2019/04/10/be-scofield-an-angry-sociopath-disguised/

    So you find this to be reputable but not what I posted? LOL.

  20. Posted

    12 minutes ago, SerpaeTetra said:

     I see a big donate button at the bottom of the article, lol.  I wouldn't trust Mooji or the person writing this 100%.

    What is wrong with the donate button? This is not just some hit piece written by a hater. Be Scofield is an investigative journalist who has been doing this work for over 9 years. And I might add, has done a pretty great job at it. 

     

    5 minutes ago, Natasha said:

    People who end up in cults have strong co-dependency issues. I myself used to be in a cult of Jesus for many years, literally worshipping him. Cults are mostly run by fear. It's only when I did extensive inner work when I was ready to leave unhealthy relationships whether with an organization or a particular person.

    As far as Actualized goes, I see it as great tool for growth in a community of like-minded people. Leo has a servant-leader mentality, he leads by example, he does the work, not just talks the talk. He's firm yet fair. But if ever I felt pressure to give money or body, I'd leave without hesitation.

    So far has been so good :)

    I have nothing against actualized.org, it is no near close to a cult.

  21. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    @PatternsFormThought @Leo Gura Patterns actually made a very solid point which I mentioned many times already. Too many people in the spiritual community are seeking "enlightenment", which will never come - it's just an idea. "Enlightenment" is not something that you can achieve. Being in the present moment, and seeing reality as it is, without illusion of the self permanently - is enlightenment.

    Too many people have "enlightenment" ideology, which ironically keeps them from "enlightenment".

  22. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    14 minutes ago, Jack River said:

    Even cults have a place. 

    How can you argue with endless inevitable possibilities. Where do these possibilities begin and I end? Where is this line that separates what is the case from MYSELF??

     

    This is not just a cult we are talking about. This is an abusive cult, that brings a lot of suffering and exploits spiritual seekers. Read the god man article and contemplate!

    Like I said, this is a good case study, that may help other naive people from falling a prey to such individuals. 

  23. Posted

    2 hours ago, Shin said:

    I don't think he's fake.

    You can genuinely deeply feel and know some things, but not embodying them fully as of now.

    That doesn't mean you can't communicate those things, even if you don't personally embody them yourself, the advice/teaching can still be effective and genuine.

    The reason you want to embody what you teach, is in order to lead by exemple, that's the second reason actually, the first is for you to feel good and more truthful with yourself.

    Mooji should be in a jail though, if it would be any random dude there wouldn't be any argument, he would suck other dude dicks by now ?

    Actions speak louder than words. It's one thing to say the "right" things on camera, and another thing - is to actually believe in what you are saying and living your life according to that way.

    It all comes down to authenticity. This is what this work is all about.

    Given all that, yes his advice could still be helpful, you can learn from anybody in this world. 

    But he should be held accountable, and not worshiped by spiritual seekers. He is an example of somebody abusing the truth to get his own egoic needs met.

     

    2 hours ago, Rilles said:

    An Enlightened man with a big shadow probably. Im not demonizing him for that. The human desires are extremely difficult to deal with accordingly. Thats not an excuse though, he should be held accountable for what hes doing. 

    What makes you think he is "enlightened"? Who told you that he is "enlightened"? Read the article again and make your own conclusions.

     

  24. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    @Arhattobe Except this is not just unhealthy dynamics.

    There is enough evidence out there to say that it's an abusive cult that is run by a corrupt (mentally sick) individual, disguising himself under a "spiritual teacher".

    Why is this important? Because there are other individuals out there who are doing the same.  There are too many so called "experts" out there who don't embody what they preach in their everyday life.

    How much more evidence would you need, to see that individual for who he is? (and not some "legit non-dual" guru). 

    It's hard for people to accept these things, because they used to watch videos of that person on youtube videos, and have painted a picture of some "legit guru". When the evidence comes pouring in, they would rather not break that illusion, as the dominos would fall, and that would mean other "gurus" that they watched, could also be fake.

  25. Posted

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    That is true. I merely skimmed it.

     

    Whatever wrongs Mooji may have made the journalist does not understand the much deeper dynamics which underlie spiritual movements. This is a very nuanced and complex matter. Legit spiritual teachers are very easy to demonize.

    Because you skimmed an article, you do not understand the complexity and nuances described in this article.  Your own mind is distorting you into labeling Mooji as "legit spiritual teacher".

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    But you have to be mindful of your own projections here. Having sex freely does not necessarily mean anything bad. Monogamous sex is your own standard and expectation.

    This is not what I said. He is abusing his position to have sex with his students, while being in a monogamous relationships.

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Most of this relative and subjective.

    If you haven't skimmed the article, actually read it and CONTEMPLATED, you would see it is not relative and subjective. Your own devilry is coming to play here.

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

     

    I said so myself. I do not like that approach to spirituality, but you must also understand that worship is a legit spiritual path for many people (bhakti yoga). It is not a path I would encourage but people have done it for thousands of years, and it can produce results. It's not merely ass-kissing.

    How do you determine that something is "legit"? Your perception of what is "legit" and what is not could very easily be distorted here. 

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Again, a relative matter. What exactly does "smuggling" mean here?

    It's a relative matter to you, because you skimmed the article. If you bothered to read, and take it in the context, you would see the bigger picture. Having his students engage in criminal activity for him, and then take the falls for it, all just to earn his devotion is a VERY red flag.

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

     

    Somewhat problematic but not too bad.

    Somewhat? It is VERY problematic. The fact that you don't see the significance of what is going on here, given the context, is hilarious to me.

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    This would be common to virtually all spiritual communities/monasteries/gurus.

    All spiritual communities have this kind of abuse? Wtf are you talking about? 

    22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Again, you have to factor out your own projections, judgments, and the journalist's ignorance and bias about how spiritual communities work.

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    None of this is a defense of Mooji. It seems his community has some cult-like features. But you need to look at it without judging it if you really want to underatand it. This is a meta point. I have no loyalty to Mooji.

    Do you factor in your own projections, judgments, and beliefs that you hold about Mooji? 

    If you want to understand what is going on here, you need to read the entire article. There is a lot more than "cult-like" features, there are a lot of red flags that you fail to see.