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  2. Posted

    4 minutes ago, jaylimix said:

    The thing is ground troops need to move in with air support otherwise it is just a suicide mission.

    Terrorists would pop in and out of buildings and tunnels and shoot with bullets and RPGs;

    you see even with air support, over 170 soldiers have died fighting in Gaza. 

    So in conclusion the buildings and tunnels must be destroyed before moving in;

    👍 A decent point.

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    21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    The Palestinians are so underdeveloped they shoot themselves in the foot a bunch.

    I though about it today, and I think there is a problem in the assumption that just because the palestinians are stage red and therefore allegedly more "stupid" (or something similar) they are not responsible for what is happening. 

    Because development is anyway always a relative notion and Israel is also underdeveloped relative to a tier 2 society for example, and we can continue this forever.

    I am talking about my thinking and not trying to say I am more or less right, but what I think is that even a stage red person still has its infinite brain resources and intelligence to promote its goals. His body for example is still magically incomprehensibly intelligent. So too his brain and mind in the same way.

    What I am trying to say is that the thought that hamas are just stupid suicial organization is far from the truth. They just aren't developed morally and in their consciousness to themselves and others essense and value, but with their ability to manipulate their way to survive they can still be genius. And they are in a sense. 

    Look how clever their deffense mechanism is in the way thay act physically and getting mixed with civilians and, also (many will argue but) in how they make the crowd opinion be twisted against their enemy. I am not saying Israel doesn't have part in this, but the distance between the accustions against Israel and reality is enormous to my opinion.

    If we extrapulate this out to the whole conflict, then we cannot any more see the palestinians as just "reactants" to Israel policies, but an active participant in this tango has equal reaponsibility to initiate trust building actions by itself too and not just to cry about things the other side is doing. 

    By the way, they cry, or complain (if to be fair and use a neutral word) equaly and even harder just after revolutionary agreements, what proves that the core of the problem is an inner problem with their mind that try always to preserve his bad homeostasis state (for example the 2nd Intifada after the large series of agreements in the 90's).

    Every one has equal responsibility to challenge himself and get himself out of an unfunctional disordered situation, be it an inner within him or an outer disorder. Because the truth is, no one can help the palestinians out their disfunctional thinking patterns but themselves.

    And for the protocol, yes, the Jews, like every other group, have their own weaknesses too, but they are found in another areas.

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    13 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

    They should have done nothing at all and watch it all unfolding Infront of their eyes. How do you plan to get the hostages back? Or should you let them take hostages routinely and let them parade the women they killed? 

    Bombing is letting them know of the consequences they could be facing and that might be their end. War is about to continue into the future. I only hope something comes out of it. Both of them fire rockets at each other routinely. Just that the ones fired by Israel lands often.

    +1 🧡

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    23 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

    Do you know the efforts US put into studying Bin Laden's residence before they went ahead with the special operations. You cannot launch the special forces on a whim.

    When you are in enemy territory, the enemy is the superior one purely by looking at the numbers. Your superiority does not count to anything. Home advantage is the true superiority. Special forces works only when the enemy is isolated, relatively unarmed with little security. None of which resembles Hamas.

    +1 🧡

    For everybody who is saying Israel can just get in without a very broad scale air phase first.

  6. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    What lead to Oct 7th was the decades-long Israeli policy of settlement and indefinite stalling of any kind of long-term peace deal that recognizes the rights and soveriegnty of Palestinians.

    But by that logic, what lead to the second Intifada with suicide bombings twice a week in the early 2000's was Oslo agreement (1993), Oslo 2nd agreement (1995), Hebron agreement (1997), Y agreement (1998), Camp David negotiation (2000)...

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    And if my "used" you mean some Hamas guy slept in one apartment in a high-rise of 500 units, so what? That doesn't justify destroying the building.

    By using I mean it was pre-trapped (before the war) and the logic behind that is that in the same way hamas has invested every second since 2005 to build a 400 km length tunnels city, it also has invested in trapping entire neighborhoods all across the Gaza strip way before the war started.

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Of course now they booby-trap houses in the middle of a warzone. So what? It's urban warfare.

    What I think is that just like the undergroung tunnels-city, also this was already made before the war.

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Are Israeli villages sterile? If one radical Zionist settler lives in a kibbutz, does that mean we can bomb the whole kibbutz now? There are many radical far-right Zionists sprinkled amidst the otherwise sensible Israeli population. Does that mean we can bomb high-rises in Tel Aviv?

    I agree with you in this logic but the question is, if this is really the case in Gaza because according to the ever arming-race of hamas the situation there is, I think, very different.

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    I don't think Hamas would have any problem giving back the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire

    Why do you think that?

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    1 hour ago, Joel3102 said:

    The current government hasn’t been particularly interested in peace. But also, a two state solution was offered in 2000 and rejected by the Palestinians with no counteroffer and Israel got the second intifada instead. 
     

    Then they withdraw from Gaza in 2005 and get nothing but rockets from an Islamist group. Of course that’s gonna shift Israel to the right.

    +1 💛

  8. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    But then how do you explain so many civilians killed by the IDF? All just accidents? How convenient.

    1. 10,000s terror targets to attack.

    2. hamas number one survival strategy to use, disguise and assimilate among civilians.

    3. hamas interest to always maximize civilians casualties to make Israel stop because they know this is our weakness.

    4. ~40% of those 24,000 are hamas combatants.

    5. PTSD condition from oct 7th + 30 years accumulated frustration from terror attacks and how the virus twists the accusation on Israel when the world believe him more every time, made Israel to maybe behave somehow in a looser way this time, but the attacks were still, I think, on terror targets anyway. 100% of them? Well I hope but I can't know. But even if I just think on this in a dry logical way there are so many terror targets, then why to attack something else. The weapon is still limited.

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    16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Are Israeli kids not indoctrinated into killing?

    To kill civilians??

    Never heard of that, and I have never educated to do such of thing. Sound crazy to me.

    Our teachers talked with us about Israel establishment, Israel wars, the peace agreement we made and the hope there will be peace with syria and we will can even go to Damascus I remeber this well I was in 6th grade.

    I dont know what you saw in the interivews of the far right wing people who are 1% to 5% at most.

  10. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Karmadhi I can take your what I think a sickingly twisted logic and say what you ARE in denial about and filter out:

    1. The fact that Israel built a 1 Billion dollar smart fence out of the fantasy the thecnology will prevent wars.

    2, Israel let Thousands of Gazans to work in its areas for years out of the hope it will make them moderate.

    3. Israel did more than 10 careful operations with good surgicality lead to anything but worsen the situation in the long term.

    4. Israelis soldiers are many of them boys in theirs 18-22 years that are also humen being with broad heart and worried mothers and familiy that are putting their lives in a serious risk in one of the most dangerous areas in the world. Thousands of them are doing that right now for more than 3 months straight.

    5. The fact that almost no other military warned civilians so many time in many ways before their attacks.

    6. The fact that a hostage suffering is X100 times harder than any other soldier or citizen from both sides. Imagine have a gun on your head for 100 days when you never know when the bullet will be shot on you and if it will. 130 of them. Now imagine this is one of your friends or family members.

    7. The fact that Gaza kids are indoctrinate into killing and suicide from birth and already been damaged psychologically to a mental condition not less severe than any other mental disorders and need an urgent recovery if such a recovery is even possible, Million of them. Where was the world when that happened during all those years before the war? 

  11. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Build better defenses around Gaza and do more surgical intelligence operations.

    1. Is this can put enough pressure on hamas leaders to make them agree to free the hostages?

    2. Isn't only a real threat on those leaders life and hamas's military capabilities the only possible option to make them do so?

    3. Israel did more than 10 surgical intelligence operations in the last 18 years and it only lead to oct 7th.

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    People invest their entire lives into building their homes. To just destroy it is a serious crime. Especially in areas where people are poor.

    But if those homes were indeed used by hamas to their purposes? I read an article in which an Israel soldiers says that hamas is found in every or almost every building. Even if we assume this is exaggarated, can it be though a plausible scenario in such a culture?

    I found it:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/irresponsibility-compounds-catastrophe-why-the-idfs-war-against-hamas-has-lost-momentum/

    "The tactics caused devastation in northern Gaza, where Hamas had booby-trapped “every other house,” in the words of IDF officials."

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Also, don't forget, that building is someone's property and home. Are you okay if I bomb your mother's house when she is out shopping?

    People invest their entire lives into building their homes. To just destroy it is a serious crime. Especially in areas where people are poor.

    I understand you and respect that. But then again, are civil neighborhoods in Gaza really sterile and doesn't used as fortifications of hamas? I got the impression many of them are that way.

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Many intelligent people also criticized the US invasion of Iraq and drone strikes, because it is an obvious misuse of force and leads to counter-productive results.

    I agree it was counter productive there.

    But I fear we don't have another choice right now because of the hostages.

  12. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Leo Gura I have listened to this video.

    You are also right this is indeed a counter story to the one I wrote and I think both of them are right.

    Then what do you suggest IDF to do?

    IDF can go with this and decide it won't bomb anything, but then the soldiers will be killed like sitting ducks or domino cubes in many hundreds every month.

    I have also a question. If that mother would asked to leave the building 3 days before it was bombed it was ok? Because honestly this is what happened all the time during this war.

    And another question why the Israeli side is "insanly biased" but the side who critisize her so harshly is not? I bet every western society would react just the same because it really seems to me inevitable in such a trappy situation.

  16. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    15 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

    It's not just 130 hostages. The existence of hamas implies there would be thousands more hostages, rapes and kidnappings as much as Israel is willing to tolerate long into the future. At one point, they decide enough is enough.

    Also those children are the reason hamas even exist. They need to operate in children's hospital so that they wouldn't be taken out. None of this would have happened it they came to fight upfront without being such cowards using children as human shields. 

    Does that justify killing thousands of children? No. But there would be killings anyway. This would put an end to all this. There is no peaceful ending.

    The tunnel networks should be destroyed and the city infrastructure rebuilt well once again for civilians and some international body setup to protect the rights of Palestinians. 

    👍👍👍🔥

  21. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    🇾🇪 Hundreds of thousands been killed in Yemen but nobody cares not in the western world nor here.

    🇸🇾 Bashar Al Assad killed more muslims then the sum of the people been killed in all of the conflicts between Israel and Muslims since 1947 but not the world nor here there is a caring that is even a hundredth of how we care when it comes to Israel palestine conflict when the casualties is less than 1% than the cases above.

    What is the conclusion?

    A bias against Israel.

    😠 "But we hold Israel to higher standarts!"

    But it doesn't answer the question why you still don't show your pain in link-trees or angry statements when people are killed in other Arab countries.

    I thought that you just care about the people who are suffering or killed.

    The answer is then:

    You aren't interested in those poor people, not nearly as much as you are interested in Israel's situation and most likely not in her favor.

  23. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Lila9 Everyone here talks from his or her trauma and childhood experience and this is what determines their side in this conflict basically.

    The fact though is that Israel did everything to avoid this war. From a billion dollars smart fence, through 1000s of work permission to Gazans in Israel and millions of dollar poured on Gaza with Israel permission.

    However Gaza was already saturated from wealth and money and could be the second Dubai, but it didnt help since every dollar was directed into terror.