Leo Gura

New War In Israel / Gaza

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🌻Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF.

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1 hour ago, zazen said:

If a robber robs someone and a bystander starts lecturing the robber on the injustice of his act and that he should stop, then robber says 'oh but the high tax rate robs people of their hard earned money anyway so what?' people would laugh.

Great analogy.

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@Nivsch

And how many countries would support SA's claim if journalists were actually allowed to report on what was going on in Gaza and the media (particularly the Western media) were actually doing their jobs in providing their citizens a truthful synopsis of the facts?

Edward Snowden used the correct term - appalling - in describing the cowardly trick of such media to not broadcast to their citizens the 3-hour SA application, but instead only choosing to live-stream Israel's convoluted defense.

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.... and on that subject.... Gideon Levy speaking on Democracy Now about the nature of Israeli media.

This is what people mean when they use the term "brainwashed" when talking about ordinary Israelis.

 

Courtesy to @Raze for the link.

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2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Tel Aviv would have the military and take responsibility to take out the terrorists themselves without any outside intervention.

Israel army could not operate like that in Gaza. The local population will not cooperate. 

👍 Another good interesting point I didn't think about.


🌻Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF.

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46 minutes ago, Nabd said:

This is the best explanation I've seen of how Hamas is an essential part of Israeli right wing.

This is what I am always trying to tell people. This guy does a fantastic job with visuals and presentation backed by documents which makes denying this extremely hard.

I encourage all Israelis and Hamas sympathizers to watch this. 

I myself brought this up but I think people are misunderstanding it. I wouldn’t say Netanyahu wanted his to happen or views Hamas as an asset. Just that the government in Israel is doing everything it can to hurt advocacy for a state even if it means putting Jews at risk. The blockade and violence directed at Palestinians has resulted in many attacks but they were usually small casualty wise for Israel, they just slipped up on October 7th. The plan seemed to be to slowly choke the Palestinians and pummel them when they lashed out with the idea they could never do much damage, and then use what damage they do cause to further justify restricting them. 

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7 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@lina If a baby from your village was burned alive and some of your friends or family would taken hostages with a gun to their head every day for 100 days you would do exactly the same as Israel and chasing those murderers with the maximum pressure possible until you bring them back.

If someone murdered a child on the street and fled the police by running and hiding into a 20 floor high-rise building where your mother happened to live, would you be cool if we dropped a 2000lb bomb on that building, leveling it to the ground?

This example shows the insane bias of the Israeli position. You would never accept such a situation.

This is the topic of Double Standards that I have an excellent video on. Study it closely and apply to your political positions. If you dare.

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22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is the topic of Double Standards that I have an excellent video on. Study it closely and apply to your political positions. If you dare.

Was just listening to this episode in the car two nights ago. The insight that struck me was: “Wait, isn’t this a triple standard? Leo is criticizing all these people and groups for not meeting his standards. Oh shit, now it’s a quad standard now that I’m criticizing Leo’s criticism of double standards.” O.o


"Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see."

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@Leo Gura I have listened to this video.

You are also right this is indeed a counter story to the one I wrote and I think both of them are right.

Then what do you suggest IDF to do?

IDF can go with this and decide it won't bomb anything, but then the soldiers will be killed like sitting ducks or domino cubes in many hundreds every month.

I have also a question. If that mother would asked to leave the building 3 days before it was bombed it was ok? Because honestly this is what happened all the time during this war.

And another question why the Israeli side is "insanly biased" but the side who critisize her so harshly is not? I bet every western society would react just the same because it really seems to me inevitable in such a trappy situation.

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20 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Then what are you suggest IDF to do?

You can start by being definitively in touch with IDGAF how things should and shouldn’t be. Consciousness has, and will always be, designing all of this perfectly.

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@Nivsch If a man came into your house, killed all your children, and then took your wife as a hostage, would you kill him even if it means that you will also kill your wife? 


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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36 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Leo Gura 

Then what do you suggest IDF to do?

Build better defenses around Gaza and do more surgical intelligence operations.

36 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I have also a question. If that mother would asked to leave the building 3 days before it was bombed it was ok? Because honestly this is what happened all the time during this war.

But if you ask the mother to leave, the murderer will also leave. So what is the point of bombing the building?

Also, don't forget, that building is someone's property and home. Are you okay if I bomb your mother's house when she is out shopping?

People invest their entire lives into building their homes. To just destroy it is a serious crime. Especially in areas where people are poor.

36 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

And another question why the Israeli side is "insanly biased" but the side who critisize her so harshly is not? I bet every western society would react just the same because it really seems to me inevitable in such a trappy situation.

Many intelligent people also criticized the US invasion of Iraq and drone strikes, because it is an obvious misuse of force and leads to counter-productive results.

The military has to be used with a lot of restraint, otherwise it causes more harm than good.


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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Build better defenses around Gaza and do more surgical intelligence operations.

But if you ask the mother to leave, the murderer will also leave. So what is the point of bombing the building?

Also, don't forget, that building is someone's property and home. Are you okay if I bomb your mother's house when she is out shopping?

People invest their entire lives into building their homes. To just destroy it is a serious crime. Especially in areas where people are poor.

Many intelligent people also criticized the US invasion of Iraq and drone strikes, because it is an obvious misuse of force and leads to counter-productive results.

The military has to be used with a lot of restraint, otherwise it causes more harm than good.

I get that a ceasefire is realistically not gonna happen anytime soon, but Arab Americans and young voters in very key battleground states that Biden last time won, only by razor thin margins in 2020, are threatening to not vote for Biden and the Democrats again in the 2024 general election, if he and many other Dems in Washington don't call for a ceasefire. So, would it still be better politically for a lot more Democrats, including Biden himself, to call for a ceasefire? 

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@Hardkill Biden should do what he feels is right, not what will please disgruntled voters.

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Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Hardkill Biden should do what he feels is right, not what will please disgruntled voters.

Why exactly? Presidents are elected to serve the will of the people, not do whatever they want.

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6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Hardkill Biden should do what he feels is right, not what will please voters.

Even if it costs him his re-election? Even at the possible lost of our country's democracy being lost because Biden lost too much of the support he needed to beat Trump again in 2024?

Or will those voters probably come home by the election day, regardless of what his decision is with handling Israel?

Or will those disgruntled voters not really have a real significant effect on the electoral outcome?

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9 minutes ago, Raze said:

Why exactly? Presidents are elected to serve the will of the people, not do whatever they want.

Presidents are elected to excercise their superior judgment, not to do whatever some vocal minority wants.


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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Presidents are elected to excercise their superior judgment, not to do whatever some vocal minority wants.

It isn’t a minority, the majority want a ceasefire.

 

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4 minutes ago, Raze said:

It isn’t a minority, the majority want a ceasefire.

That is according to the polls and according to the vast majority of countries around the world.

Here's an article on it from the Data for Progress website: Voters Want the U.S. to Call for a Permanent Ceasefire in Gaza and to Prioritize Diplomacy

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2023/12/5/voters-want-the-us-to-call-for-a-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-to-prioritize-diplomacy

"When asked how knowledgeable they are about the Israel-Palestine conflict, 25% of voters say they have either an 'extensive' or 'proficient' level of knowledge, while 35% say they have a 'moderate' knowledge level. Voters who get their news from social media are especially likely to consider themselves knowledgeable: 36% of voters who get news from Instagram, 33% of voters who get news from TikTok, and 30% of voters who get news from Facebook say they have extensive or proficient knowledge about the conflict.

Sixty-one percent of likely voters, including a majority of Democrats (76%) and Independents (57%) and a plurality of Republicans (49%), support the U.S. calling for a permanent ceasefire and a de-escalation of violence in Gaza."


 

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