Nivsch

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    @Raze I do not so attached emotionaly to my Jewish identity as much as I care about my country values, but here there is a special case when those two things are overlap. That is why if the Jews will cease to be a majority here, then our values are in danger. 

    To sum it up I am more Israeli than a Jew in my identity, but obviously I am not ashamed at all to be a Jew this is a good religion with decent values. Still a social construction and there are deeper identity facets I am more attached to.

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    5 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    Ben Gvir and Smotrich as elected officials is a new phenomenon in Israel. Historically Israel’s leader were very down to earth and uncorrupted (they had to be for survival of the country), I can still see this integrity within the center left. 

    I connected some dots today and realized that what many people here in this thread see as "Israel" is ,mainly, the 5% most far-right sector. I now understand this when I remember all the links and statements being quoted here.

    Why is that? Maybe those 5% have the highest sound volume, or that the world media wants to focus almost solely on them out of a confirmation bias. 

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    15 hours ago, Heaven said:

    Jewish country is justified after the holocaust.

    The UN agreed they will live in Israel. So they didn’t just occupied the land.

    Israel is the Jewish country for almost a 100 years. They are not going to move anywhere. The acceptance should be there to begin with after holocaust. Or maybe there should be a WW3 for Muslim countries to accept it.

    Israel doesn’t oppress Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Qatar. Still those countries are doing anything they can to terrorize Israel. It was never about Palestinians and Israel it is much broader.

    9/11 Didn’t happen because America is oppressing the Middle East but because of power games.

    The history repeat itself. Just in a more complex way. Hamas = Nazis = Isis. 
    To try to justify their actions is to believe a story that they are telling you. Guess what? They are lying to you.

    +1 🧡

    Liked your points.

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    14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Hamas is the military unit of what ought to be a Palestinian state.

    Hamas was not created by Israel, but Israel pours gasoline on the fires of hurt and injustice, which emboldens Hamas.

    I agree about this pattern. Less about the degree of injustice (but not negate it completely) because I think they have much more responsibility to their outcome than the "too easy life" they get from this thread.

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    @Nabd Because Netanyahu didn't want to negotiate with the Palestinians out of personal fears to his position probably.

    The far-right wing is of course a problem too. I agree.

    And no. The responsibility to someone to not become so toxic is always within the someone!

    Because if you say that hamas is just a chemical reaction of the consequences, then you must use the same logic to Israel policy and exemp it also from any responsibility because you now using a deterministic (anti free will) point of view - which is we can agree a problematic pov.

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    @Nabd Netanyahu made hamas stronger and it is a shame of course, but hamas was created because of hamas.

    You want also to blame Europe for creating Nazi germany or that the responsobility to take feeling of offense and unfairness to the extreme toxic version is found in the violent side itself?

    And if you say they arent responsible then the other side is also not responsible by the same logic of the deterministic point of view which is problematic of course.

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    22 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    Does this justify Jews coming from all over the world to steal their land?

    Did they steal something before the Arabs started a war (that was civil in its character) against them?

    I didn't find an evidence for that.

    The Jews lived nearby them but didn't stole a private land.

    And as long as they have no state, they cannot have a "collective" land on their own.

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    2 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    You never acknowledged what first IDF leader said.

    And you don't respond to anything I say.

    I would not be surprised if you were paid by IDF to spread propaganda because you are not here to discuss, only to defend blindly.

    Last time I was paid by IDF was in 2009 and only 100$ a month to buy food in my base. Maybe I missed out the IDF leader I will search for it.

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    11 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    This is your logic of how states are created. I just used it against you.

    You and Hamas are two sides of the same coin. Enjoy the terorrism this breeds and may the strongest win!

    Not even close to "two sides".

    Only Palestinians use lethal violence deliberatly against citizens (and 0.01% of the settlers). Only Palestinians refused to improve their situation. Only Palestinians have never had a state on their own. Its very interesting why they couldnt establish a state during the last centuries? They had far beyond the required time. Maybe they don't really want to? Maybe they want to stay the victims? What if this is their collective psychological tendency to begin with?

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    @Leo Gura Ok but now this isn't hapenning. To establish a settlement 5 km near your city is still not to kick you out not even close. It is not very fair, but it is light years away (in my opinion) from an opression you must kill children and women to deal with. This is absurd even to think about it. They were offered to end the settlements expansion near their cities ones and for all - 100 times. And refused.

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    13 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    This is you shying away from admitting directly that you know deep inside that Israel is a colonial state which is made by displacing natives and taking their homes.

    War is human thing yes, but your logic is very backward and barbaric and comes from ancient times of barbaric warfare. Similar to what Europeans did with natives elsewhere.

    This is fine. But notice that this means you admit that terrorism is the basis of Israel, which justify Hamas and any other terrorist activity because the obly language people like you understand is violence and killings.

    No. Actually it shows me you don't want to face what I said.

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    @Nabd Not at all.

    YOU guys say now that oct 7th is a self- justified action Israel cannot do nothing to prevent but to deffend itself physically. Is that sounds fair in your opinion towards the Israelis?

    What I say is that an existance of a state you don't like is NOT a justification to terror because this is too barbaric childish justification to use because Israel won't go anywhere.

    The truth is that the Palestinians are completely free and sorverign in their area and they have to take responsibility to take the offers for a state they have got countless times and refused.