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20 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:You called me biased too. šĀ
but thatās ok, I think it must be hard living there at the moment and all these opinionatedĀ foreigners (like me) commenting about it all and calling Israel out.Ā
Āmuch love to you and your family. ā¤ļø
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No i didn'tĀ lol.
Who are you? Nice to meet.
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4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:Still laughing at how you called me biased when really its just you projecting your bias and trying to sound wholesome while you call for warĀ
Don't take it personally.
Maybe I was wrong. I donk know you.
I am taking it back.
It is very hard to deal with injustice Israel is going through now and I feel part of that.
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Trigger warning.
Very hard to listen.
Only If you want to understand the full brutality of hamas šøšš¦š° listen to this.
The video in the link below.
Think carefully if you want that. And if you are sure then open it.
Peace isn't possible without defeating hamas first.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy-6_hLtmNu/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:The fact of being Jewish is something very strange. that obsession with maintaining identity, when identity is the stupidest thing a human can want to have. but the fact is that all nations have it, it's just that we Westerners, at least Europeans, are losing it and it seems very strange to see it in others. In Europe, identity is not having an identity, and truly, the space left free by having an identity can be occupied by much better things.
You are underestimate the intelligence of identity even national to one's healthy emotional development.
Yes, the identity that YOU yourself will create independently of your culture is the most important one,Ā but everyone has to start from something and want to feel part of something bigger than them that they contribute to and have influence on.
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@Twentyfirst Your suggestion really can be seen as an innocent and that comes from good intention. But in the other hand it is clear that you are emotionally very biased towards the palestinians and don't take Israelis emotions seriously.
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@TwentyfirstĀ Israelis are also alive and have theirĀ home from childhood. If you choose to speak so practically then do it fully.
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@Twentyfirst BecauseĀ Jews have deepĀ historical and emotional connection to this land from thousands of years ago.
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16 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:It seems the USA and Israel are in love with each other. The USA has plenty of land. Why not just establish a new Jewish state there and then give back the Palestinians their land and homes? That seems fair
Oh.... š¤ So the occupation of the West Bank is not the real problem. But the occupation of Tel Aviv is.
Thank you. Now I know that Israel is wrong because it exists.
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2 hours ago, lina said:Ā
But the problem nothing actually happens and the government itself even supports them with weapons.
Since Israel is a democratic nation,Ā I think more Israelis mustĀ start taking action to voice their objection regarding what is happening in the west bank and east JerusalemĀ if they truly want to create path for peace.Ā
Its Ben Gvir and Betzal'el. This government is unresposible and there is not much we can do right now.
Now you cannot expect any Israeli to say anything like that for the next few months. Israelis are traumatized right now similarly to what happened to americans in 2001 and everyone is just thinking how to be protected and thats it.
Of courseĀ if something very seriousĀ willĀ happen and settlers will kill innocentĀ paleatinians our politicians in theĀ opposition (but not only) will speak against it and also more Israelis, as happened in the past.
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45 minutes ago, Kshantivadin said:If you think that the majority of people in Gaza are in stage Red, you are deeply deluded.Ā
RED-blue most of them.
In west bank theyĀ are more diverse from red, blue to less orange and someĀ green especially millenials and z-gen.
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@Leo GuraĀ I understand they are in a difference place in their mentality (stage red) but maybe thats exactly why no matter what Israel do, they will interpret it as a weakness.
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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:Yes, they are so weak and cornered that they will stoop to any low at this point. What else can they do?
They could use all the millions $ they recieved from qatar (with israeli permissom) and the money the gazaish people gained from work in Israel (also with Israeli permission) and invest it to becomeĀ singapore.Ā
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57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:End settlement expansion would be a huge step towards peace. If Israel was serious about peace that would be the first step. But Israel wants to have their cake and eat it too.
Personally I have no problem with stopping the expansion.
Do you mean also to evacuate all the isolated settlements? Because this is almost unrealistic to evacuate 100,000+ people.
AndĀ what about IDF presence in the west bank? After what happend, I fear that If IDF will leave the west bank, it might be too dangerous long term for the Israeli citiziens.
The west bank border is huge and we doesnt have enough force to defende it properly, and we have seen the value of technology when 1000 terrorists are trying to get in.
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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:Yes, there's truth in both sides. That's the whole problem. If all the truth lay on one side the solution would be easy.
If there is to be peace, both sides have to start being honest and admitting mistakes. As long as one side just blames everything on the other there cannot be peace.
The question is what we can do differently that will help? Because we got brutal terror attacks anyway, when we went fully forward them and when we didn't.
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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:I mean Netanyahu's policy of not trying to negotiate with the Palestinians any more, trying to just ignore the whole issue and going around their backs to make peace with the rest of the Middle East. In retrospect this policy backfired badly for the whole region. Because you can't just sweep the Palestinian issue under the rug.
I agree with this.Ā
And in the other hand, when we did the opposite and tried really hard to negotiate with them, also then, the answer from them was even more terror, especially during the decade after Oslo agreement in 1994, which resulted in more than 1000 murdered here, and all that without Netanyahu's help.Ā
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34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:I have not seen a single Israel official honestly admit that their decades-long policy toward Palestinians was a causal factor in these Hamas terrorist attacks.Ā
By decadesĀ long policy doĀ you mean the occupation ofĀ the west bank?
But didn't the evacuation from gaza in 2005 was the best gesture Israel could do for the paleastinians there?
Why did the palestinians rejected all the proposals and agreementsĀ from Israel to retreat to 67' lines during 90's and 00's?
Can it be aĀ reasonableĀ optionĀ that, maybe, the occupation of just ISRAELĀ inĀ 48' is really enough to fuel the palestinian resistance and terror?
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1 hour ago, ShaharA said:The main headquarters of Hamas is under the largest hospital in Gaza:
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This is Israel's fault whoĀ cause the palestinians to build this hospital in the first place because of theirĀ attacks on gazaĀ
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@Karmadhi well, hamas uses them as human shield. But lets only accuse Israel and fall into hamas hands.
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@linaĀ There are minority of settlers that really do terror and have to be putted in prison on murder.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy4MVMct8N9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
If this isn't makeĀ your blood boil you are the problem.
Edit: They FAKE their deads in this video the link doesn't work.
They cover peopleĀ and they are moving inside.
#pallywood š§š¬š½šø
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12 minutes ago, Lila9 said:Yes, bombed by Hamas, the irresponsible and toxic adults who should take care of them but instead...
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@lina hamas uses civilians as human shield all the time. This is his #1 strategy. This is the every terror organizatiom #1Ā strategy because he knows he is weaker than military.
This is in terror DNA to use civilians as human shield.
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@zazen There isĀ zero chance I can convince you that those civilians are asked to leave 100 times and Israel is trying to target only terrorists as much as it possible.Ā I know where your emotions are. This is not gonna change only because IĀ say something.
But try for even one minute to think what would you do if ISIS would invase your home town you grew up from childhood and kill and torture 1,200 people from YOUR childhood hometown families and friends.Ā
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14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:But after egypt warned them? Or you donāt believe that
I prefer to believe it, but even then, I think IsraelĀ just couldn't believe hamas is capable to do that. We simplified the other side's thinking pattern, as we all do every day with our mind about other people.

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@Merkabah Star I really think you are confused becaused I used this word in this thread only one time and it was yesterday.