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  1. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

    @Nivsch Thank you for your detailed response.

    Would you agree that the settlements in the West Bank needs to stop and the current government with the PM need to be replaced with a less right wing, less racist government for peace to follow?

    Also, I read that the current PM was on the process of changing the judiciary system to enhance his political power and Israelis were angry about that. What are your thoughts on that? 

    Yes I agree the expansion doesn't help and maybe do harm and need to be stopped to show good intentions and seriousness.

    This change is bad because it weakens the court and here this is especially problematic because we dont have a constitution and that can lead to a too powerful government.

    His narcissistic point of view puted all our society into an internal clash between two sides, an auto immune like condition that weakened us. But now we have united back after october 7th.

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    4 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

    @Nivsch Since you seem a reasonable Israeli, I have a question.

    How is the Nakba justified in Israeli society, I saw a video of a Jewish professor saying you cannot even mention it there. Are Israelis aware of it and if yes, how is it justified?

    Nakba - Wikipedia for info.

    The education here is about the war of indepenence. I think the awareness to the problems Jews did to arabs in this war is highly partial because honestly I also wasn't aware until recent years.

    You can add things you know, but from what I know and read, the arabs were the side that resist co-existing the most, and started in 1947 the war after the UN's distribution plan has been published.

    Can we assume that if the arabs were just accept the UN plan, and did nothing, so there would be nothing? Just to think about that.

    The vast majority of arabs abandoned their homes by themselves what doesnt make the situation good because they felt trauma anyway.

    The jews were quite deffensive at the beggining, and only after their survival and existance was really threatened to a critical point, only then they started to actively conquer lands and not always in moral ways.

    But yes, during this war there were active deportations of arabs from their homes but I read that most of the deportations were because the arabs resisted in violence in the first place, but not always. The question is - did the jews came here and just started a violence or let the people evacuate by themselves?

    Even if the answer is the latter, it still doesnt make it good because deportation is deportation. But again, the active deportations were most likely most of them only after the jews were almost been killed according to what I wrote above assuming this is the full picture.

    So I assume I can smell who is the (much?) more problematic side here and it is not the jews. But maybe I am biased. Add things from your own knowledge if you want.

  4. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Loveeee You overlook the fact that what hamas does all day long is to hide behind civilians because otherwise it has 0% chance to survive.

    This is its full-time job. Its #1 survival strategy and therefore Its main activity during the day and it does this with the most manipulative ways you can think about.

    When Israel has tens of thousands terror targets to attack, and has this huge time pressure to rescue its hostages, to not have many mistakes in this kind of situation is impossible.

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    20 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

    "You will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke - come on, we are waiting for you" Palestinian political activist Ahed Tamimi said.

    That's when you are raised since birth to hate Jews instead love, co-existence and peace.

    This is what Israeli soliders are dealing with on the west bank every day, this exact kind of hate, violence and death threats and this is what they are responding to.

    https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771102

    Exactly. 

  7. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    40 minutes ago, lina said:

    The opposite is true. There's a reason why all Arab leaders are dictators. 

    They can't survive without 20-30% support at least.

    For example, all the protests in Israel last year were because the citizens were afraid Netanyahu will change the regime to escape his trial. In a country like Israel didcatorship is not possible as long as the values composition throughout the society will stay western-like. 

  10. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

     

    Do you think that after the bombing of Gaza there is any possibility of cooperation? Seems another level of violence, but who knows, maybe it's something cathartic that shows the need to live together in peace. This would be in a parallel reality I'm afraid.

    Be Israeli must be a strange experience

    After 1200 murdered and 240 hostages who suffer right now in nightmare which is maybe and most likely 100 times more of any gazaian (not to cancel gazaian's situation but the world anyway talk almost only about them) so yes, I dont really think Israel has another option right now but to put the higher pressure possible on hamas. 

    Do you mean that maybe what happens affect the sides in both ways? Disturb the relationships but also help too?

    See, I am not sure the palestinian authority cares too much of what happen in gaza but I am not an expert so dont really know what it does.

    The problem is that I really think that peace with red-blue culture won't be possible without also talk their language, and build a character they will respect, what almost anybody here not emphasize enough.

  11. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    Yes, The issue of settlers and expansion makes Israel an aggressor state, there is no justification for that, and it legitimizes externally that the Palestinians defend themselves with violence.

    You could say it's their fault, that they started wars in the past, whatever, but right now that's the situation, and the world is starting to see Israel as a criminal state. Sure the thing is much more complex after so many years of conflict, but it's what is perceived from outside

    Yes I also don't like the expansion of the settlements. Its a problem.

    But to evacuate thousand of settlers is the extreme opposite and will show us as weak. What also have been proved to increase the terror.

    To stop the expansion, even to declare it officialy, but to still stay there with soldiers in the west bank, the settlements just where they are, and to keep the security co-operation with the palestinian authority, seems like the smartest strategy for now.

  13. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Raze Actually the soldier who shot him was lying on the ground while did that which means most likely felt a real threat.

    That "stone" could be a grenade BTW

    Most of the world-wide comments support Israel there.

    Why to provoke in such a way to begin with?

    Personally I think the better way is to shoot on his legs. But I'm not an expert. Maybe they know something I dont.

    I dont like this video and I am not deny there are problems sometimes even in a (relatively to the rest) quite high morality army.

    But the problem is that those who are against Israel to begin with, will see every such video as if I would watch TV through a telescope. They cant be convinced because the complex picture doesnt matter to them. They have already chose a side and the only way to change their mind is if they themselves will want their mind to be changed.

  14. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Raze  There were hamas terrorists in the ambulance from what I understood and heard.

    Thats their all game 😅

    This is a psychological war - their #2 function as a terror organization. For them this is like breathing. What else do you think they do? This things!

    Thay are busy all day long in this. They NEED it to their survival. To put international pressure on Israel.

    The west must do a switch in how he looks and grasps the game board.

  15. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    5 hours ago, Loveeee said:

    I mean zionist is almost an insult where I live in France but when you think of it 

    @DawnC  Very complex situation indeed, thanks for the link  

    Insult?

    Zionism is just a mental frame.

    Visit here and you will see that our society is not less "western" and developed than yours.

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    11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    No, you are wrong, if I see an evidence, I would believe it, But I have read the report of the journalists who saw the images and they say nothing about torture or murder of children.

    One question: do you think that absolutely everything the Israelis say in this war is true? Or do you consider the possibility that someone, on some occasion, will lie?

    We can argue technically about torture, but the massacre of children in 7.10 is a fact.

  17. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    Israel's society at its best 🍎🥑🥭📦📝

    Every 1 out of 2 Israelis - 50% - go to volunteer these days!

    One the most pupular help here is agriculture in the Israeli villages near gasa strip that have lost its workers after october 7th.

    And also many more kinds of valunteering works. Just everyone try to help. I try to metiate it with some pictures/videos just to get the feeling of whats going on.

    VID-20231104-WA0007(2).mp4

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  18. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    1 hour ago, hundreth said:

    Are you living in an alternate reality? Look at the photos. You've literally been handed what you asked for you, and you're like an ostrich with your head in the ground. There's plenty more out there, that's just the tip of the surface.

    I dont want to think what our 240 hostages are going through right now, who are in another dimension of internal terror every single moment, 100 times more than the gazaian (what justifies even more the invasion to begin with) but the hypocrite world doesn't care so much about that apparently.

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    10 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

    Thats literally exactly what we have been saying in this thread but you took it as an attack against Jews 

    What hurts me is that the discussion here blames Israel automatically without doing any little effort to check if there is at all another realistic way to eliminate hamas without causing the amount of casualties we have seen. Because maybe really there is no other way to do that and people here fall prey to what hamas most wanted them to in his propaganda.

  25. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Breakingthewall The expansion of the settlements is wrong in my opinion and this is a mistake our current right wing government is doing.

    The wesk bank is more complicated because Jerusalem included in it and so there is a value of Jews being there and in some villages around the city too to not be in enclave, so the occupation of part of the west bank is necessary and understandable.