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    8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

    precisely because they are intelligent the ability to let go of their knowledge and accept they are utterly ignorant about life will be way more difficult.

    When you identify yourself with your intelligence or how smart you are, think about how difficult is going to be to precisely let go of that. 

    The problem is they think they know. If they'd accept they don´t know what the hell is this experience the possibility of seeking that knowing would be there. But humanity thinks it nows very well what is this reality. So is going to be an exploration with that attitude? No. There only be exploration and study of the dream, which is what science and knowledge is (nothing bad with that but is limited isn´t it?)

     

    @Inliytened1 

    Why not? Aren´t we able to have parties and interact with each other while on MDMA? A world awake would be a great massive fucking party .

    Of course once we would be there, the acceleration to end the dream would start to be close. Because one it starts to not be a self or identity anymore the point of surviving as a self stops making sense.

    And when still there is a world to awaken you can tell yourself is Ok to keep playing the character in order to help others awaken. But when others are already awoke...welll... you would basically be playing games with your own self... LoL. So yeah, let´s say there could be a reality, we could probably enjoy 1000 years of humanity being in bliss with other and understand deep things about the dream. (Withouth a completely pleasurable state of energy you can not explore the deep structure of the dream)

     At one point we would ended though, you are right in that sense. 

    Is a lucid dream as real? No. Yes - if everyone was enlightened it would be a much better place.  You're right- but then there couldn't be the aspect of being fooled.  Being fooled and forgetting its just a big game IS reality.  Think about that. But yes,  eventually it will happen.  Whether it be we destroy ourselves or we all awaken  All dreams are meant to end.

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    2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

    The irony is that the group of the people that probably treated Jews historically the best (Arab Muslims), are the ones getting the worse treatment by Jews.

    They took you as refugees and historically did not put you in ghettos or mass murder you like European Christnians did.

    Yet, European christians are the "good guys" for Jews and Arab Muslims are the enemy.

    Contemplate that Jews lived next to Arabs in the land we call Palestine for centuries with far far less problems than in Europe. The hatred against Jews came with the creation of Israel which Arabs saw as a illegitimate theft of land cause by the great powers of the time (UK, USSR, USA).

    If Jews started oppressing Germans, that I would understand.

    But with Palestinians, it seems very unfair.

    What do you think?

    the Jews can't start oppressing European christians now - because its a different generation and different people than the Nazis.  The Egyptian pharaoh is long gone.  The times of splitting the red sea are long gone.  Right now - they were attacked by the guys next door - and now that they are coming down on the guys next door without mercy you guys want to point the finger at the Jews.  Why should they hold any mercy in their heart?  Yeah - they should be the better people...after all they are the chosen people..right?  But remember- they might just be playing to the level of the field.  If it were that easy to be the better people they would - but they know that in doing that it would probably mean their demise just from the level of the field at large.   In other words - you have to kneel when talking to a midget.

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    14 minutes ago, yetineti said:

    @Inliytened1

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    Grokking can be explained and it is interdependent from intelligence, understanding and knowledge.

     

    No it can't and this will be something AI can never do because it is a projection of your own mind grokking things.   Don't underestimate this.   Grokking is what intelligence is.  There are some who can grok things at mich deeper levels than the average person (or animal) can and that's what sets them apart.  When you look into your dog's eyes and he understands you.   That's him grokking things. That is the essence of intelligence  AI doesn't grok anything they just spit output out from the data input to them.  The problem is that when AI becomes advanced enough you won't be able to tell the difference. 

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    19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Yes it did.

    Hamas is an externality of Israel's existence.

    This is the thing that Israelis are in denial about, which then leads to all sorts projections and of distortions of reality.

    No no - I mean by Israel being nearly knocked out of existence time and time again..  They didn't create this monster.   The jews have been almost knocked out of existence so many, many times.  So now they are doing it to Hamas and now you think it's wrong. 

  11. Posted · Edited by Inliytened1

    @yetineti the problem is eventually you won't know the difference between a human being and AI.  They will be able to do the things you speak of.  Ultimately the two will be nearly indistinguishable.   The difference will be very- very hard to spot.  But it will always still be there.  It will be in the actual act of understanding a thing vs knowing it.  This is because ultimately you are God imagining everything else around you - and only God truly understands a thing.  Or in other words - the art of understanding a thing is Godlike.   Ai will never be able to touch that.

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    5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    But this is a biased analogy. If you want to make that analogy then you should give that magic device to the most rabid stage Blue Israeli politicians. That is the analog of Hamas. Don't compare Hamas to the entire citizenry of Israel.

    The reality is that Israeli politicans with power and their milutary and intelligence service are all interested in doing an ethnic cleansing campaign. And that is what they are doing. They are not interested in blanket-killing all the Palestinian civilians and children, but they are very interested in making Gaza unlivable and taking more land.

    The Israeli position is much more nuanced than just a simple dumb genocide. The Israelis have a crafty, devilish scheme to always keep the Palestinians dominated. THAT is the issue, not that they will exterminate all of them like Hitler did to the Jews. The Israeli government is not Hitler, but they are still doing a sneaky form of ethnic cleansing. This scheme inevitably spawns terrorist backlash. That is the real issue. There is a total failure to take responsiblity for the monster that Israel has created. Yes, the monster bit you, but you created it, and you insist to keep creating it. So expect more bites.

    Israel didn't create this monster.  You forget.  They are are a product of what has come before.  Should they be better than this? Yes. They should.  But is anyone else better than this?  Don't expect them to act like saints when the rest of the world doesn't follow suit. 

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    4 minutes ago, yetineti said:

    I brought this up a bit ago. I claimed AI was Knowledgeable and Informative not Intelligent or Able-for now.

    Knowledge = Information

    Intelligence = Ability

    If you have naturally high intelligence/ability you can sift knowledge/information easier.

    And if you have lots of knowledge/information you can become intelligent/able more easily. 

    This explains the conflation.

    To get intelligence (abilities) from knowledge requires testing and application.

    To get knowledge/information from your intelligence/abilities is called introspection.

     

    This is good stuff.  It brings to mind..is AI intelligent or just all knowledgeable?  But what is the difference?  Is omniscience just understanding or can it be the pure totality of knowing absolutely everything?  

    Yes - the difference is in understanding.  AI doesn't have to understand a thing they just have to know it.

  15. Posted · Edited by Inliytened1

    @Carl-Richard yes and no.  It's relative.   Sometimes they could understand the thing if they had direct experience of it.  But most of the time no, it just means in that area of intelligence you have more.  They aren't going to grasp it either way.  For example- with. Chess - you can play a guy a thousand times and still beat him a thousand times.  Yet with Checkers maybe if he played you a few times he would finally beat you.

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    13 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

    I just stumbled across this video and thought I'll share it; it's a beautiful pointer towards cultivating the proper attitude to spirituality and life in general:

    Note: Cultivating this kind of attitude does not necessarily mean falling prey to toxic positivity. If you feel unhappy, then acknowledge and address the unhappiness instead of bypassing it. You don't transcend negativity by pushing it away and sweeping it under the rug; you transcend it by accepting it as part of the divine game of life and recognize its hidden value. You don't reach the light by rejecting the darkness but by recognizing the light within the darkness. What you resist persists; what you fully embrace will eventually be transmuted into gold.

    And secondly, beware not only of the material but also of the spiritual rat race. Many seekers transfer their avoidant & addictive egoic patterns onto the pursuit of spirituality and end up chasing spiritual highs in the same way that a junkie is always chasing the next fix, which keeps them caught up in an endless tug-of-war with reality. True spiritual devotion is not about desperately craving constant highs and trying to eliminate the dreaded lows; it's about recognizing that the highs and the lows are made of the same divine substance, that they are but two sides of the same magnificent coin, that they are complementary expressions of the great Tao without which there could be no experience of reality. It's about recognizing that this whole wildly multi-faceted existence is nothing other than Oneness expressing itself in an endless miraculous variety of shades, forms and colors. The same thing appearing in different styles, costumes and flavors. Unity becoming visible as non-unity.

    Remember: No contrast = no experience = no happiness.

     

    And now, the unhappy people and compulsive bypassers of this forum are more than welcome to air their stubborn existential resentment. Don't be shy kids, let it all out. ;)

    One of the best post ever made on the forum.  Excellent.  But the spiritual rat race could probably be omitted.  The big take away is that sadness is also a part of happiness.  That is a holistic, unified perspective.   The problem. Is because most don't  grasp that reality is one - so they want to decide bad and good - and happiness and depression.   It's two sides of the same coin.  You really need awakening to know this is true at the deepest level.  (Not highest)

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    1 hour ago, Davino said:

    There many different types of intelligence: there is logical intelligence, emotional intelligence, Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence...

    There's also philosophical or existential intelligence.

    The former is what society ranks more in these tests, the latter is what is beneficial for Awakening.

    Holistic Intelligence would be intelligence in all these domains, Alien Intelligence?

    It's actually fascinating to contemplate about this.

    Intelligence is it's own reward; a unique joy.

    Great stuff.

  20. Posted · Edited by Inliytened1

    59 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

    I mean it's a fucking joke, the hard problem of consciousness etc 

    How can humanity be so impossibly clueless 

    No its the beautiful work of God.  The goal of God for this illusion is to keep you in the illusion.  God is good at what he does.   The reason is so it can completely lose itself.   It is the sole purpose of the dream - or any dream.  This is a feature and not a bug.

    If everyone awakened so easily there couldn't be reality.

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    3 hours ago, Loveeee said:

    These fictional characters are supposedly geniuses but never figure out consciousness ?

     

    Because there are different types of intelligence.   There are some that are simply spiritually gifted and thus spiritually intelligent  you could be an absolute genius but be completely clueless when it comes to epistemology or spirituality even if you taught them.

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    9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

    If you can't take a little criticism maybe you do need some conscious leadership. Threatening to mute me doesn't solve the problem of thin-skin. Understanding why you're so triggered by my responses is a better approach. I will leave you be now so you won't allow me to spoil your night. I don't need that kind of power.

    You are indeed doing a lot of gaslighting here.  I believe he would be warranted in silencing you.  There are legitimate points being made here that you refuse to see because you are hell bent in ....whatever...but...it might do you good to learn from what is being said here.