UFOs Are Here

[theoneandnone]

Anyone see people that supposedly channel aliens ? All that is utter bullshit and a gimmick. Bashar is a con artist some of what he says about reality is absolutely valid but he’s not channeling a alien.

[theoneandnone]

23 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Haha welllll.... lets go wild.

Say they are operated from consciousness. 

If we recognise that all that appears in our awareness - perceptions, thoughts, feelings - is within us. Which is to say - we never experience a sunset out as the sun, as the water, as the sky - we experience our perception of the sunset WITHIN us (through raw light to eyes, sound to ears, smell to nose sensations). Reality is within us AS our consciousness. Why couldn't we be able project our awareness (or being) out to encapsulate a ship and experience control of a ship through pure awareness? After all the ship is within us. Within our awareness.

Like the ship in the original Alien film with the space jokey as part of the ship - or Battlestar Galactica's base stars, or Farscapes living ships? 

I wonder what that could unlock operating a ship as a total being at the consciousness level of whatever appears behind atoms, quarks etc

Cool imaginings  

I’d love to know your thoughts more on aliens and consciousness. I see aliens as beings from other dimensions not from this 3D dream/realm. Obviously they could just more illusions within my consciousness and it’s all a fluke. But I like to keep an open mind because it’s fun to ponder of deeper forms of reality. Hell maybe they are other forms of consciousness in different avatars. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@theoneandnone Don't get me started I'll derail this thread (but I like to think as much as I derail I do steer it back to UFO's !)

I have thought a lot about this - and I think I align with your thoughts that they aren't within this 3D space or 'dimension' as you term it.

I consider them coming from something we are totally NOT aware of that is part of the totality of reality. Within humanities reality, but in terms of our capabilities of perceptions - completely outside of it. A good example would be birds or creatures that have evolved receptors for types of energy detection we do not. IE ultraviolet spectrum electromagnetic radiation - or infrared. Even ultrasonic sound. Animals (bats, birds) have developed senses for these. Imagine if we could see infrared! Ultraviolet! Or, see gamma rays, X-rays, alpha or beta particles! These are parts of our reality we know about - but they remain TOTALLY outside our experience. I think this goes right back to ontology - we don't know what the fuck all this is at all - we just seem to be able to grasp mechanisms of action. The UFO phenomenon is a weird one, because we don't know what it is (which is standard for us, it's just that science makes lots of claims to ontology but when you really dig it has NFI and makes all sorts of assumptions), AND we do not know how it works.

When you get to deeper levels of truth along the spiritual path - you tend to inevitably get to consciousness/awareness being fundamental. And you realize how much of our existence is actually tied up in a projection of a cerebral illusion. IE the illusion of the self. Most of our awareness is funneled into this illusion. So when it drops away, the false self, we realize this experience, this qualia, is precisely how it needs to be, and that we CHOOSE this. And that there is NO other place more exciting, filled with wonder, filled with divine ONENESS. That unity you feel when you are pure awareness and being - oneness - that is love. We reach out searching for something greater than us, only to realize pure being and experience and right HERE is what we want! Spirituality points RIGHT back at this reality. And it is all tied together through unity, oneness... LOVE!

And every person who has reported experience with UFOs, including Jake Barber, all report love being key. Being the power that reaches out to encapsulate and make contact. That they are flooded with love. Being. Consciousness. There are MANY reports from people who engage in CE5 and 'calling' UAP and they always use love, unity, oneness. 

So, I think that love is the key. There is connection there in a way we are yet to fully comprehend. Love as oneness. One with the ship. One with dimensions and perceptions outside our own. We only fail to engage these other dimensions because we don't love enough. And human's are exceptionally good at corrupting Love!

Love is a deeper language of connection we have yet to understand mechanistically, so we cannot use it... yet

Even the movie Intersteller touches on this - the key to gravity manipulation and Cooper making it out of the tesseract is the love/oneness/unity he has with Murph. The eternal connection.

Anyway, I digress, and this is all just my strange thoughts on the matter with no real experiential foundation

Edited September 20 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Jehovah increases]

Longer version.

Edited Wednesday at 03:11 PM by Jehovah increases

[Cheese]

On 2025-09-20 at 7:05 AM, theoneandnone said:

Anyone see people that supposedly channel aliens ? All that is utter bullshit and a gimmick. Bashar is a con artist some of what he says about reality is absolutely valid but he’s not channeling a alien.

Yes, some channelers are frauds out to exploit gullible people. However..

Others might actually be channeling something and be honestly decieving others on what is channeled . As the channeler is the first self decieved victim. Channeling is like opening a door and not knowing who would come in and say what. There is no control for the channeler, the control is given to the channeled entity. 

By personal experience i can not say that all channelers/channelings are fake., but practicing channeling should be avoided imo.

 

[Mafortu]

UFOs are not here.

Leo, I wonder when you'll have your "aha" moment. I had mine this year, and it’s like a veil was lifted. Now I see the nonsense and the charlatans for what they really are.

For most of my life, my curiosity and sense of wonder got the better of me. I watched the documentaries, followed the researchers and journalists, and realized I was in the same camp as the religious people I often criticized.

As a lifelong atheist, I never had a true "matrix" moment, but this is as close as it gets. I feel embarrassed now for being so naive for so long.

No doubt there’s so much more out there that we have yet to discover, but flying saucers aren’t it.

Anyways, enjoy the endless wait for the UFO "bombshell" that's always "IMMINENT" It'll blow up any second now, for sure. /s

[Natasha Tori Maru]

18 minutes ago, Mafortu said:

I wonder when you'll have your "aha" moment. I had mine this year, and it’s like a veil was lifted.

Yes okay, all well and good. Are you going to explain this and lay out the facts for us all, or act like a gatekeeper of some grand mystery that has the potential to reveal precisely what this phenomenon is? Lots of air and dancing around anything substantial in the post.

 

[Jowblob]

On 9/10/2025 at 7:00 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Here's the meat of the above - supposedly a missile intercepting an orb that remains intact

 

The reason the ufo does this, it is because it is a container for consciousness travelling that's why they don't have doors. Consciousness of an entity is subjugated and is distorted to the laws of this dream, so it takes shape of an ufo or an object.

 

I think haidakhan babaji most recent ascended master mentioned that there were no aliens in this universe and that we were the only ones. So that means this particular human dream/instance is only for experiencing only our human selves.

I think the only way to be able to see/communicate with aliens is to raise vibrations to access their consciousness or realm

Edited Thursday at 01:59 AM by Jowblob

[Mafortu]

58 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yes okay, all well and good. Are you going to explain this and lay out the facts for us all, or act like a gatekeeper of some grand mystery that has the potential to reveal precisely what this phenomenon is? Lots of air and dancing around anything substantial in the post.

 

There is nothing to explain, there is no mystery, there is no phenomenon. Ghosts, witches, demons, the Sasquash, etc.. its all the same, but my naivety had me convinced Ufos were different and more "credible", I was so bought into the stories and the testimonies, so invested in any new discoveries or video evidence. I was a fool.

I cant pull you into my camp anymore than I can pull a MAGA into leftism. Its on you, not me.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Mafortu The burden of disproof.

My experience is different.

Time will reveal all.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Jowblob My speculations align with what you have rapped on above

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Mafortu said:

I cant pull you into my camp anymore than I can pull a MAGA into leftism. Its on you, not me.

Haha, apt analogy. Just curious, what made it click for you? Surely it was a multitude of coalescing factors but do you recall any specific thing that carried the most weight? 

[Mafortu]

37 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Haha, apt analogy. Just curious, what made it click for you? Surely it was a multitude of coalescing factors but do you recall any specific thing that carried the most weight? 

It started when David Grusch began making the rounds. Something about his body language or candor makes me feel he’s either not being honest or he is being taken advantage of (and yes, I’m aware he allegedly has autism). The more I learned about Luis Elizondo, his book, and the embarrassing cases where his pictures were easily debunked, the more my mood soured. At the time, these two were among the most credible figures.

Then, UFO subreddits started pissing me off more and more. They’ll believe anything you post there. If you’re skeptical or cast doubt on an obviously fake video, you’re downvoted. It feels like a religious cult, you must comply or you’re shunned.

It dawned on me that the narrative never changes. The “bombshell truth” that will reveal everything is always imminent, just around the corner. It’s the same story year after year. Nothing changes, nothing is revealed, because there’s nothing to reveal.

UFOs are like an urban legend that’s grown too big and is now out of control. So many respectable, intelligent people fall for it, including Leo Gura, which is what makes it particularly interesting, I guess, It’s an urban legend so alluring that it even fools smart people.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Mafortu I am laughing because I agree with a lot of the above - but I draw no conclusions as you have. I do not know

I wonder why you chose to answer someone else though

 

[Mafortu]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Mafortu I am laughing because I agree with a lot of the above - but I draw no conclusions as you have. I do not know

I wonder why you chose to answer someone else though

 

Because you didn't ask anything and he did. Is there anything you wish to ask me?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Mafortu You answered above - and I did ask

[Mafortu]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Mafortu You answered above - and I did ask

Oh, I could be wrong but I got the impression that you were asking me for proof or evidence, it would be very daunting and cringe to write something that could satisfy or convince a stranger online.

The other guy's question was more approachable, personal and easier to answer.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Mafortu I think what you pointed to in your reads on the situation crossed over a lot with mine. AND I think it probably wasn't apparent I like remaining open with these sorts of things - I think I came at this with an interest that bordered on aggressive because of the derisive tone you injected into the post. In addition, I did wonder why you posted - what could your intentions be if you weren't aiming to convince anyone?

[Mafortu]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Mafortu I think what you pointed to in your reads on the situation crossed over a lot with mine. AND I think it probably wasn't apparent I like remaining open with these sorts of things - I think I came at this with an interest that bordered on aggressive because of the derisive tone you injected into the post. In addition, I did wonder why you posted - what could your intentions be if you weren't aiming to convince anyone?

Oh I just wanted to poke a stick at Leo Gura a little and see what his thoughts were. I know he is a big believer and I hope one day he snaps out of it like i did.

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Mafortu said:

It started when David Grusch began making the rounds. Something about his body language or candor makes me feel he’s either not being honest or he is being taken advantage of (and yes, I’m aware he allegedly has autism). The more I learned about Luis Elizondo, his book, and the embarrassing cases where his pictures were easily debunked, the more my mood soured. At the time, these two were among the most credible figures.

Then, UFO subreddits started pissing me off more and more. They’ll believe anything you post there. If you’re skeptical or cast doubt on an obviously fake video, you’re downvoted. It feels like a religious cult, you must comply or you’re shunned.

It dawned on me that the narrative never changes. The “bombshell truth” that will reveal everything is always imminent, just around the corner. It’s the same story year after year. Nothing changes, nothing is revealed, because there’s nothing to reveal.

UFOs are like an urban legend that’s grown too big and is now out of control. So many respectable, intelligent people fall for it, including Leo Gura, which is what makes it particularly interesting, I guess, It’s an urban legend so alluring that it even fools smart people.

I am with you.

I snapped also out of it after discovering how Luis Elizondo is a grifter who abuses his former position to make money out of this scene. And even Leo posted a video on him on his blog. That shows there is just shallow research going on.

The recent UFO videos on Internet? Just some new drones.  Poorly cutted videos. 

If I would show you the most advanced robots now a year ago you would not believe it and think it CGI. But technology advances quickly, especially drones.These drones are mistaken for UFOs.

 

Edited Thursday at 07:54 AM by OBEler