New War In Israel / Gaza

[Merkabah Star]

50 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Merkabah Star

   I know right? this thread in a nutshell:

 

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[Merkabah Star]

3 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Oh God.

It's getting funny reading your justifications.

'Kill them so they don't get brainwashed! That's the most humane thing we can do. Put an end to their misery'

Welcome to bubble consciousness. 

[Nivsch]

16 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Oh God.

It's getting funny reading your justifications.

'Kill them so they don't get brainwashed! That's the most humane thing we can do. Put an end to their misery'

You really don't understand or you don't want to?

Dont tell me. You don't want to.

Kill hamas. And yes, hamas is the source of those children missery and their psychological and spiritual death. 

The truth is not comfortable. Well, that's the trick.

Edited January 8 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

And that is why we should never underestimate our enemy ever again. His deffense mechanism is so manipulative genius. Scary genius.

Edited January 8 by Nivsch

[Merkabah Star]

27 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Kill hamas, even if it kills 10,000 children as a side effect...

The children are hamas to them. That’s the brainwashing. 

[PurpleTree]

15 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Yes, 'the children of drakness'

Because drake is half jewish?

[PurpleTree]

I’m confused by this conflict 

which team are we on?

[jaylimix]

On 1/8/2024 at 3:18 AM, kenway said:

This is from Khan Younis in Southern Gaza. As you can see they are ramping up operations, presumably in case they are ordered to ceasefire following the ICJ hearing.

Entire villages and neighbourhoods are now being manually detonated. After all, why go house by house when you can go neighbourhood by neighbourhood?

It is clearly obvious for the world to see that Palestinian lives don't matter at all.

Those building were already cleared of people.

I guess you don't know that multiple explosives need to be drilled into the wall and placed at strategic locations within and around the building.

There is no one in those building, unless of course some fool tried to come into a warzone which the IDF have already made known.

Buildings are destroyed so that those terrorists do not slither back in.

[jaylimix]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Look there is 1 factor you need to consider.

When the attacks first happened and people found out, nobody knew that civilians were targeted in mass and villages massacred etc. 

Personally when I saw it, I thought they had broken the wall and went after Israeli soldiers and military outposts. 

And to be honest It felt like karma to me. I was happy for them (although I knew the hell that would be unleashed on them as a response)

Look soldiers are people too, many of them young men and women whose life just started.

Here's a video for you to humanize them.

 

[hundreth]

While everyone here complains, this is what is actually happening in the world.

We act as though Israel is some rogue state dragging the United States into battle, but the big picture is that this is a proxy war dating back to 1967 when the KGB started the PLO.

[Danioover9000]

@PurpleTree

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Because drake is half jewish?

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[Danioover9000]

@PurpleTree

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I’m confused by this conflict 

which team are we on?

   Suppose to be on the don't kill children and women, especially if HAMAs to civilians ratio is 1 to 100 or 10,000, IMO pro Israeli are worse than Penny Wise and robots if they don't get that it's immoral at this point.

[Danioover9000]

@jaylimix

2 hours ago, jaylimix said:

Those building were already cleared of people.

I guess you don't know that multiple explosives need to be drilled into the wall and placed at strategic locations within and around the building.

There is no one in those building, unless of course some fool tried to come into a warzone which the IDF have already made known.

Buildings are destroyed so that those terrorists do not slither back in.

   Cool, but what about the Gazan civilians, the women and children? They have no home to return to as their homes, and buildings are RUBLE! That is part of the UN South African Genocide, and genocide doesn't have to only be kill all men women and children, it includes displacing population as Israel is already doing to Gaza. It's  genocide if it includes mass killings, mass displacement of the population, destruction of facilities that handle birthrates like hospitals, which also handles aid and care, destruction of food and water supplies which kills people via starvation, and genocidal intent. Israel ticks all the boxes, and why pro Israel are so blind and in denial about this is insane. How are ya'll so...

Edited January 9 by Danioover9000

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[kenway]

3 hours ago, jaylimix said:

Those building were already cleared of people.

No-one is suggesting they had people in them.

The demolitions are seen within the context of ethnic cleansing of Palestinian residents, to be replaced by Israeli Jewish residents. As with the bulldozer razings in the West Bank.

3 hours ago, jaylimix said:

I guess you don't know that multiple explosives need to be drilled into the wall and placed at strategic locations within and around the building.

I do know that, but thanks for the sanctimonious strawman.

3 hours ago, jaylimix said:

There is no one in those building, unless of course some fool tried to come into a warzone which the IDF have already made known.

See first response.

3 hours ago, jaylimix said:

Buildings are destroyed so that those terrorists do not slither back in.

This is just an idea you've had relative to your xenophobia concerning Palestinians. It's not based on reality nor objectivity.

1.9 million Palestinians are currently displaced without homes. That's not by accident.

[Merkabah Star]

This an extension of the young Turks vid I posted above.

Mike Pence writing his name on a bomb? Horrid thing to do.

the woman the idf shot who was waving a white flag? Not the most moral army in the world. Far from it.

 

 

[jaylimix]

2 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

Mike Pence writing his name on a bomb? Horrid thing to do.

the woman the idf shot who was waving a white flag? Not the most moral army in the world. Far from it.

Writing name on the bombs is meant to be read as:

~ To Hamas terrorists, love from Mike Pence

On your second point, according to Israel, Hamas shoots at people to prevent them from leaving, to keep them as human shields, making it difficult for the IDF to do an airstrike or tank strike on them.

You don't really know who shoots at the woman, all you have is a narrative.

[jaylimix]

4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

It's  genocide if it includes mass killings, mass displacement of the population, destruction of facilities that handle birthrates like hospitals, which also handles aid and care, destruction of food and water supplies which kills people via starvation, and genocidal intent. Israel ticks all the boxes, and why pro Israel are so blind and in denial about this is insane.

What if I were to tell you that I am in favor of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, not through death but through sending them away to other Arab countries, even non-Arab countries such as Congo ?

75 years of terrorism, actually even before the founding of Israel, longer than 75 years of terrorism.

Edited January 9 by jaylimix

[kenway]

25 minutes ago, jaylimix said:

What if I were to tell you that I am in favor of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, not through death but through sending them away to other Arab countries, even non-Arab countries such as Congo ?

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule129#:~:text=into occupied territory.-,Rule 129.,imperative military reasons so demand.

Rule 129.

The Act of Displacement

Note: This chapter addresses forced displacement of civilians for reasons related to an armed conflict, whether within or outside the bounds of national territory. It thus covers the treatment of both internally displaced persons and persons who have crossed an international border (refugees). The only exception to this is Rule 130, which covers both forcible and non-forcible transfer of populations into occupied territory.

Rule 129.

A. Parties to an international armed conflict may not deport or forcibly transfer the civilian population of an occupied territory, in whole or in part, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.

B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.

Practice

Volume II, Chapter 38, Section A.

Summary

State practice establishes these rules as norms of customary international law applicable in international (A) and non-international (B) armed conflicts respectively.

International armed conflicts

The prohibition of the deportation or transfer of civilians goes back to the Lieber Code, which provides that “private citizens are no longer … carried off to distant parts”.[1] Under the Charter of the International Military Tribunal (Nuremberg), “deportation to slave labour or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory” constitutes a war crime.[2] The prohibition of the transfer or deportation of civilians is set forth in the Fourth Geneva Convention.[3] In addition, according to the Fourth Geneva Convention and Additional Protocol I, it is a grave breach of these instruments to deport or transfer the civilian population of an occupied territory, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.[4] Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, “the deportation or transfer [by the Occupying Power] of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts.[5]

Numerous military manuals specify the prohibition of unlawful deportation or transfer of civilians in occupied territory.[6] It is an offence under the legislation of many States to carry out such deportations or transfers.[7] There is case-law relating to the Second World War supporting the prohibition.[8] It is also supported by official statements and by many resolutions adopted by international organizations and international conferences, including condemnations of alleged cases of deportation and transfer.[9]

The Supreme Court of Israel has stated on several occasions, however, that Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention was not meant to apply to the deportation of selected individuals for reasons of public order and security,[10] or that Article 49 did not form part of customary international law and that therefore deportation orders against individual citizens did not contravene the domestic law of Israel.[11]

Non-international armed conflicts

The prohibition of displacing the civilian population in non-international armed conflicts is set forth in Additional Protocol II.[12] Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, “ordering the displacement of the civilian population for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand,” constitutes a war crime in non-international armed conflicts.[13] This rule is contained in other instruments pertaining also to non-international armed conflicts.[14] It should also be noted that, under the Statutes of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda and of the International Criminal Court, deportation or transfer of the civilian population constitutes a crime against humanity.[15]

The rule prohibiting the forcible displacement of the civilian population is also specified in a number of military manuals which are applicable in or have been applied in non-international armed conflicts.[16] The legislation of many States makes it an offence to violate this rule.[17] The prohibition is also supported by official statements and reported practice in the context of non-international armed conflicts.[18]

In a resolution on basic principles for the protection of civilian populations in armed conflicts, adopted in 1970, the UN General Assembly affirmed that “civilian populations, or individual members thereof, should not be the object of … forcible transfers”.[19] In a resolution on the protection of women and children in emergency and armed conflict, adopted in 1974, the UN General Assembly declared that “forcible eviction, committed by belligerents in the course of military operations or in occupied territories, shall be considered criminal”.[20] The UN Security Council, UN General Assembly and UN Commission on Human Rights have condemned instances of forced displacement in international armed conflicts but also in non-international armed conflicts, for example, in the context of the conflicts in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burundi and Sudan.[21]

The 26th International Conference of the Red Cross and Red Crescent adopted two resolutions stressing the prohibition of forced displacement of the civilian population.[22] The ICRC has called on parties to both international and non-international armed conflicts to respect this rule.[23]

Evacuation of the civilian population

In both international and non-international armed conflicts, State practice establishes an exception to the prohibition of displacement in cases where the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons (such as clearing a combat zone) require the evacuation for as long as the conditions warranting it exist. This exception is contained in the Fourth Geneva Convention and Additional Protocol II.[24] The possibility of evacuation is also provided for in numerous military manuals.[25] It is contained in the legislation of many States.[26]

The Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement prohibit the “arbitrary” displacement of persons, which is defined as including displacement in situations of armed conflict, “unless the security of civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand”.[27] The exception of “imperative military reasons” can never cover cases of removal of the civilian population in order to persecute it.[28]

The Fourth Geneva Convention further specifies that evacuations may not involve displacement outside the bounds of the occupied territory “except where for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement”.[29] With respect to non-international armed conflicts, Additional Protocol II specifies that evacuations may never involve displacement outside the national territory.[30]

Prevention of displacement

State practice also underlines the duty of parties to a conflict to prevent displacement caused by their own acts, at least those acts which are prohibited in and of themselves (e.g., terrorizing the civilian population or carrying out indiscriminate attacks). As stated in the Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement:

All authorities and international actors shall respect and ensure respect for their obligations under international law, including human rights and humanitarian law, in all circumstances, so as to prevent and avoid conditions that might lead to displacement of persons.[31]

Ethnic cleansing

“Ethnic cleansing” aims to change the demographic composition of a territory. In addition to displacement of the civilian population of a territory, this can be achieved through other acts which are prohibited in and of themselves such as attacks against civilians (see Rule 1), murder (see Rule 89) and rape and other forms of sexual violence (see Rule 93). These acts are prohibited regardless of the nature of the conflict and have been widely condemned.

[1] - Lieber Code, Article 23 (cited in Vol. II, Ch. 38, § 20).

[2] - IMT Charter (Nuremberg), Article 6(b) (ibid., § 1).

[3] - Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 49, first paragraph (ibid., § 3).

[4] - Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 147 (ibid., § 4); Additional Protocol I, Article 85(4)(a) (adopted by consensus) (ibid., § 9).

[5] - ICC Statute, Article 8(2)(b)(viii) (ibid., § 18).

[6] - See, e.g., the military manuals of Argentina (ibid., §§ 39–40), Australia (ibid., §§ 41–42), Canada (ibid., § 43), Colombia (ibid., § 44), Croatia (ibid., § 45), Ecuador (ibid., § 46), France (ibid., §§ 47–49), Germany (ibid., § 50), Hungary (ibid., § 51), Italy (ibid., § 52), Netherlands (ibid., § 53), New Zealand (ibid., § 54), Nigeria (ibid., § 55), Philippines (ibid., § 56), South Africa (ibid., § 57), Spain (ibid., § 58), Sweden (ibid., § 59), Switzerland (ibid., § 60), United Kingdom (ibid., § 61) and United States (ibid., §§ 62–64).

[7] - See, e.g., the legislation (ibid., §§ 65–156).

[8] - See, e.g., China, War Crimes Military Tribunal of the Ministry of National Defence, Takashi Sakai case (ibid., § 159); France, General Tribunal at Rastadt of the Military Government for the French Zone of Occupation in Germany, Roechling case (ibid., § 157); Israel, District Court of Jerusalem, Eichmann case (ibid., § 161); Netherlands, Special Court of Cassation, Zimmermann case (ibid., § 166); Poland, Supreme National Tribunal at Poznan, Greiser case (ibid., § 157); United States, Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, Krauch (I.G. Farben Trial) case, Krupp case, Milch case, List (Hostages Trial) case (ibid., § 157) and Von Leeb (The High Command Trial) case (ibid., § 157).

[9] - See, e.g., the statements of Switzerland (ibid., § 186) and United States (ibid., § 188–190); UN General Assembly, Res. 2675 (XXV) (ibid., § 204), Res. 3318 (XXIX) (ibid., § 205), Res. 36/147 D, 37/88 D, 38/79 E, 39/95 E and 40/161 E (ibid., § 206), Res. 36/147 C, 37/88 C, 38/79 D, 39/95 D and 40/161 D (ibid., § 207); League of Arab States, Council, Res. 4430 (ibid., § 223), Res. 5169 (ibid., § 224) and Res. 5324 (ibid., § 225); 25th International Conference of the Red Cross, Res. I (ibid., § 226).

[10] - See, e.g., Israel, High Court, Abu-Awad case (ibid., § 162) and Affo and Others case (ibid., § 165).

[11] - See, e.g., Israel, High Court, Kawasme and Others case (ibid., § 163) and Nazal and Others case (ibid., § 164); see also Yoram Dinstein, “The Israeli Supreme Court and the Law of Belligerent Occupation: Deportations”, Israel Yearbook on Human Rights, Vol. 23, 1993, pp. 1–26.

[12] - Additional Protocol II, Article 17 (adopted by consensus) (cited in Vol. II, Ch. 38, § 10).

[13] - ICC Statute, Article 8(2)(e)(viii) (ibid., § 19).

[14] - See, e.g., Agreement on the Application of International Humanitarian Law between the Parties to the Conflict in Bosnia and Herzegovina, § 2.3 (ibid., § 28); Comprehensive Agreement on Respect for Human Rights and International Humanitarian Law in the Philippines, Part IV, Article 3(7) (ibid., § 35).

[15] - ICTY Statute, Article 5(d) (ibid., § 31); ICTR Statute, Article 3(d) (ibid., § 32); ICC Statute, Article 7(1)(d) (ibid., § 16).

[16] - See, e.g., the military manuals of Australia (ibid., §§ 41–42), Canada (ibid., § 43), Colombia (ibid., § 44), Croatia (ibid., § 45), Ecuador (ibid., § 46), France (ibid., § 49), Germany (ibid., § 50), Hungary (ibid., § 51), Italy (ibid., § 52), Netherlands (ibid., § 53), New Zealand (ibid., § 54), Philippines (ibid., § 56), South Africa (ibid., § 57) and Spain (ibid., § 58).

[17] - See, e.g., the legislation of Armenia (ibid., § 66), Australia (ibid., §§ 67 and 69), Azerbaijan (ibid., § 70), Belarus (ibid., § 73), Belgium (ibid., § 74), Bosnia and Herzegovina (ibid., § 75), Cambodia (ibid., § 79), Canada (ibid., § 81), Colombia (ibid., §§ 83–84), Congo (ibid., § 86), Croatia (ibid., § 89), El Salvador (ibid., § 93), Estonia (ibid., § 95), Ethiopia (ibid., § 96), Finland (ibid., § 97), Georgia (ibid., § 99), Germany (ibid., § 100), Kazakhstan (ibid., § 108), Latvia (ibid., § 110), Republic of Moldova (ibid., § 120), Netherlands (ibid., § 121), New Zealand (ibid., § 123), Nicaragua (ibid., § 125), Niger (ibid., § 127), Paraguay (ibid., § 131), Poland (ibid., § 133), Portugal (ibid., § 134), Russian Federation (ibid., § 136), Slovenia (ibid., § 140), Spain (ibid., § 141), Tajikistan (ibid., § 143), Ukraine (ibid., § 146), United Kingdom (ibid., § 148), Uzbekistan (ibid., § 152) and Yugoslavia (ibid., § 154); see also the legislation of Bulgaria (ibid., § 77), Czech Republic (ibid., § 92), Hungary (ibid., § 101), Romania (ibid., § 135) and Slovakia (ibid., § 139), the application of which is not excluded in time of non-international armed conflict, and the draft legislation of Argentina (ibid., § 65), Burundi (ibid., § 78), El Salvador (ibid., § 93), Jordan (ibid., § 107), Nicaragua (ibid., § 126) and Trinidad and Tobago (ibid., § 144).

[18] - See, e.g., the statements of Afghanistan (ibid., § 168), Botswana (ibid., § 169) Japan (ibid., § 175), Netherlands (ibid., §§ 177–178), New Zealand (ibid., § 180), Nigeria (ibid., § 181), Russian Federation (ibid., § 183), Spain (ibid., § 185), United Kingdom (ibid., § 187) and United States (ibid., § 190), and the reported practice of Jordan (ibid., § 176) and United States (ibid., § 191).

[19] - UN General Assembly, Res. 2675 (XXV) (adopted by 109 votes in favour, none against and 8 abstentions) (ibid., § 204).

[20] - UN General Assembly, Res. 3318 (XXIX) (adopted by 110 votes in favour, none against and 14 abstentions) (ibid., § 205).

[21] - See, e.g., UN Security Council, Res. 752 (ibid., § 193) and Res. 819 (ibid., § 194); UN Security Council, Statement by the President (ibid., § 201); UN General Assembly, Res. 55/116 (ibid., § 212); UN Commission on Human Rights, Res. 1995/77 (ibid., § 212) and Res. 1996/73 (ibid., § 213).

[22] - 26th International Conference of the Red Cross and Red Crescent, Res. II (ibid., § 228) and Res. IV (ibid., § 229).

[23] - See, e.g., ICRC, Memorandum on the Applicability of International Humanitarian Law (ibid., § 237) and Memorandum on Respect for International Humanitarian Law in Angola (ibid., § 240).

[24] - Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 49, second paragraph (ibid., § 245); Additional Protocol II, Article 17(1) (adopted by consensus) (ibid., § 246).

[25] - See, e.g., the military manuals of Argentina (ibid., §§ 250–251), Cameroon (ibid., § 253), Canada (ibid., § 254), Croatia (ibid., § 255), Dominican Republic (ibid., § 256), France (ibid., § 257), Germany (ibid., § 258), Hungary (ibid., § 259), Israel (ibid., § 260), Italy (ibid., § 261), Kenya (ibid., § 262), Netherlands (ibid., § 264), New Zealand (ibid., § 265), Philippines (ibid., § 266), Spain (ibid., § 267), Sweden (ibid., § 268), Switzerland (ibid., § 269), United Kingdom (ibid., §§ 270–271) and United States (ibid., §§ 272–274).

[26] - See, e.g., the legislation of Argentina (ibid., § 275), Australia (ibid., § 276), Azerbaijan (ibid., § 277), Canada (ibid., § 278), Congo (ibid., § 279), Cuba (ibid., § 280), Ireland (ibid., § 281), Netherlands (ibid., § 282), New Zealand (ibid., § 283), Norway (ibid., § 284), Rwanda (ibid., § 286) and United Kingdom (ibid., § 288); see also the draft legislation of Trinidad and Tobago (ibid., § 287).

[27] - Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement, Principle 6(2) (ibid., § 248).

[28] - See, e.g., Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 45, fourth paragraph (ibid., § 2).

[29] - Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 49.

[30] - Additional Protocol II, Article 17(2) (adopted by consensus).

[31] - Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement, Principle 5 (cited in Vol. II, Ch. 38, § 34).

[kenway]