Butter!

[integral]

Butter has improved my brain function, im not sure why it could be its a form of fat im able to digest better then others. It also creates a nice relaxing effect with the bonus of improved flow to naturally arise.  

Has anyone else experienced this? If not its likely just a thing this body experiences as it struggles with health issues. 

[Osaid]

Ketones.

Proteins and fats in general tend to provide a very stable, long-lasting and grounded energy (not all are created equal, though, the simple ones are fine for the most part). And they get converted to a different fuel than glucose called ketones. You can prime your body to become better at generating ketones by fasting or changing your diet in a certain way which makes you adapt to using fat as fuel (low carb, for example).

Try ghee or coconut oil as well. If you combine fat with coffee, it will seriously increase ketone levels and thus amplify the fat-based energy even more. Any fuel source you combine with coffee will be digested much more efficiently. If you don't like coffee, you can combine it with tea instead of coffee, or any other similar hot beverages (you don't even have to combine, just simply consuming alongside it works, it all goes to your stomach anyways). You will feel a similar energy boost. Any similar hot beverage should increase your digestive capabilities, but coffee in particular is something I've found to be very potent. The energy benefits of coffee aren't JUST from caffeine, it's from amplified ketone levels as well, among other mechanisms probably. I have a particular body which is mostly immune to the effects of caffeine, so I would know. 

Test it all for yourself.

[Schizophonia]

Some saturated fats are good for the intestines.
Once I ate two whole bars of white chocolate and I've never been so relaxed with such a deep voice.
Even at the sexual level, I tend to have a little destructive fantasies (won't say more about it) but I've never been so vanilla ah ah.

Intestinal inflammation (and endotoxins from overgrowth can create big serotonin surges such that you fall chronically into a state of emotional and psychic torpor (brain fog, antipathy, low libido and (self)destructive fantasies, autism).

At the same time, eliminating gluten, lactose and a number of fibrous plants, especially legumes, should help.

[Rigel]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Some saturated fats are good for the intestines.
Once I ate two whole bars of white chocolate and I've never been so relaxed with such a deep voice.
Even at the sexual level, I tend to have a little destructive fantasies (won't say more about it) but I've never been so vanilla ah ah.

Intestinal inflammation (and endotoxins from overgrowth can create big serotonin surges such that you fall chronically into a state of emotional and psychic torpor (brain fog, antipathy, low libido and (self)destructive fantasies, autism).

At the same time, eliminating gluten, lactose and a number of fibrous plants, especially legumes, should help.

fibrous plants make me feel like I am super-human?

[Rigel]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

I promised myself I won't be doing this....... but seriously - what's your evidence for saying this? 

How do legumes, dairy and fibrous plants (meaning all fruits, vegetables, legumes, wholegrains, nuts and seeds?) cause intestinal inflammation, production of lipopolysaccharides, bacterial overgrowth and serotonin surges.

If we take the extreme case of intestinal inflammation - say Crohn's disease and Ulcerative Colitis - what's the evidence that folks who eat more legumes are at higher risk? 

What if the opposite is true? How would we know? For example, dairy and legumes both are associated with protective effect against bowel cancer. Do you know what is one of the leading hallmarks of bowel cancer risk? Intestinal inflammation. So if the above was true - we wouldn't see this. 

 

But let's say an average guy with little nutritional knowledge is reading this. And trust me many do. He goes "oh man, i better start eliminating all of it" - is that going to improve his health if he starts eating butter, eggs and meat? (because that's basically what he is left with). Is this type of recommendation going to produce a sustainable long term health strategy that is safe? 

Are you gonna be responsible for outcomes that may come as a result of that? 

Most people who are digging into nutrition to fix their health already have a degree of eating disorder. All that replies such as the above do is nuke everything these people are holding on to and put them back into perpetual information chaos.

From there folks end up depressed, with messed up health, messed up gut, increasing cholesterol levels and endless amount of confusion. Not to mention falling prey to online quacks

This is no criticism - I just wish you guys would think deeper about some of the stuff you are recommending where it is absolutely clear to me that you haven't bothered to fact check any of your claims with any form of human data. 

Actual people are reading these comments. Behind each avatar is a real man or a woman who may take this information and apply it in their own health journey and it may mess them up

You are doing a great job moderating the health section Michael. Thank You  

[toasty7718]

@Michael569 thank you for being a lifebuoy of reason in the sea of irrationality

[Rigel]

11 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

@Rigel it's not about moderation. He didn't violates any forum guidelines. i think it's about being responsible and accurate at least where giving health advice to others.

This goes across the entire forum. And like, none of us are immune to this. If i read some of my posts around here from 4 years ago i would have to hide my head in the sand with the amount of jibberish and cringe...

Quit being humble ?

[undeather]

On 14.7.2023 at 3:47 AM, integral said:

Butter has improved my brain function, im not sure why it could be its a form of fat im able to digest better then others. It also creates a nice relaxing effect with the bonus of improved flow to naturally arise.  

Has anyone else experienced this? If not its likely just a thing this body experiences as it struggles with health issues. 

Was that you driving ahead of me recently ?

[Schizophonia]

On 21/07/2023 at 6:16 PM, Michael569 said:

I promised myself I won't be doing this....... but seriously - what's your evidence for saying this? 

How do legumes

Directly by intestinal inflammation (especially since the polysaccharide chains are long insoluble), sometimes by SIBO.

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dairy

Lactose is even worse than fiber if you don't digest it.

But I did not say that dairy products create intestinal inflammation, I said that they participated in well-being problems.
Casomorphine is a powerful contributor depending on the amount of casein ingested and intestinal permeability.

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and fibrous plants (meaning all fruits, vegetables, legumes, wholegrains, nuts and seeds?) cause intestinal inflammation,

As I said above it depends on the type of fiber and starch.

Plants also contain exorphins and proteins capable of increasing intestinal permeability (gluten includes both characteristics, which makes wheat and the poaceae which contain it one of the most immunogenic foods available)

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production of lipopolysaccharides,

Bacteria, especially gram negative, reacquire LPS especially when they die.

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bacterial overgrowth

Fiber feeds these bacteria.

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and serotonin surges.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169303

+Serotonin is a part of the problem, I talked about it to show off ah ah.

More seriously the problem is systemic inflammation.

https://jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12974-019-1564-7#:~:text=Endotoxin causes inflammatory activation mainly,4%2C 17%2C 18].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4879184/

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If we take the extreme case of intestinal inflammation - say Crohn's disease and Ulcerative Colitis - what's the evidence that folks who eat more legumes are at higher risk? 

 

The fact that decreasing fiber suppresses chron's disease?

Chron disease associated with pathogenic bacteria, again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycobacterium_avium_subsp._paratuberculosis

There is not too much scientific literature on it apart from epidemiological studies of little or no value. (I could explain when I'm not lazy).
Lots of people on reddit (among others) or the RPF have managed to get rid of chron's disease by drastically reducing fiber, myself I had this problem (not exactly the same thing, rather colopathy attacks, as well as constipation, brain fog...) when I ate a lot of beans and whole grains.

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What if the opposite is true? How would we know? For example, dairy

Dairy products don't mean anything.
Butter perhaps, milk is much less certain (lactose).
And obviously from an epidemiological point of view (again), there are biases such as the fact that lactose intolerant people do not consume milk.

There are plenty of biases in fact, including sociological ones.

If I tell you that meat is globally associated with a greater life expectancy and that Hong Kong, which is one of the biggest meat-consuming countries, is also the country with the greatest life expectancy in the world: what are you going to tell me?

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and legumes both are associated with protective effect against bowel cancer.

Ditto

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But let's say an average guy with little nutritional knowledge is reading this. And trust me many do. He goes "oh man, i better start eliminating all of it" - is that going to improve his health if he starts eating butter, eggs and meat? (because that's basically what he is left with). Is this type of recommendation going to produce a sustainable long term health strategy that is safe? 

He will see it for himself.

Still, I don't even recommend a carnivorous diet, that's a dishonest extrapolation.

Btw, i turn the question back to you: have you been interested in what serious carnivorous figures had to say, have you tried this diet directly while waiting for additional dAtaS, where are you content to look at nutritionfact.org, cowardly letting your way of eating be dictated by a certain group of ideological public figures and by extension taking people who do not agree with you for idiots?

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Are you gonna be responsible for outcomes that may come as a result of that? 

No, you are always responsible for your own decisions.

This applies to myself.

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Most people who are digging into nutrition to fix their health already have a degree of eating disorder. All that replies such as the above do is nuke everything these people are holding on to and put them back into perpetual information chaos.

From there folks end up depressed, with messed up health, messed up gut, increasing cholesterol levels and endless amount of confusion. Not to mention falling prey to online quacks

It's the same for any subject, I will not hesitate to share my opinion and recommendations because some people suffer from mental illnesses and will turn my recommendations into dogma and more generally into additional food stress.

All I'm suggesting is trying things out, in this case it's not even a strict diet plan but just trying to cut out certain types of foods, just to see.

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This is no criticism - I just wish you guys would think deeper about some of the stuff you are recommending where it is absolutely clear to me that you haven't bothered to fact check any of your claims with any form of human data. 

What data ? 

All you do is suggest epidemiological studies and evacuate any biases in favor of your own agenda.

If eliminating certain foods improves certain chronic health problems, you are not going to deprive yourself of doing so because according to x epidemiological study has shown a positive correlation, in a certain context, between the consumption of this group of foods and the improvement of any health marker.

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Actual people are reading these comments. Behind each avatar is a real man or a woman who may take this information and apply it in their own health journey and it may mess them up

Why cutting out legumes and dairy products will spoil someone?

You don't care what I say or try to say and it looks like you're just trying to make me look like some jerk spreading broscience and pushing radical diets , with a hypocritically measured lexical field.

All I see is that despite the errors I may say, you are not open to going down the rabbit hole of ideas that would go against your food dogmas, and in general to empirical observation.

Edited July 23, 2023 by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

@Michael569 I will take time to answer when I have time and especially when I have finally slept well, I am currently too angry and stupid to do so.

+ And I just turned 20 

[undeather]

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The fact that decreasing fiber suppresses chron's disease?

Chron disease associated with pathogenic bacteria, again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycobacterium_avium_subsp._paratuberculosis

There is not too much scientific literature on it apart from epidemiological studies of little or no value. (I could explain when I'm not lazy).
Lots of people on reddit (among others) or the RPF have managed to get rid of chron's disease by drastically reducing fiber, myself I had this problem (not exactly the same thing, rather colopathy attacks, as well as constipation, brain fog...) when I ate a lot of beans and whole

 

I am not gonna respond to everything you said in your statement above, but let me give you some feedback right there.

Generally, I am not a big fan of epidemiological data either. That said, this is not because the thing in itself is somehow "unvalid" - it's because a huge junk of epi-studies out there are just outright methodologically faulty. I think you fell down a specific rabbit hole that led you to the conclusion that epidemiology=little or no value per se. Luckily enough, one of the best papers on nutritional epistemology got published recently. It's a difficult read, but since you are a pretty smart guy, I think you can handle it. It's in my opinion the to date best description of the role of epidemiology in nutrition science. 

There you go: https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2023/07/13/bmjnph-2023-000650?fbclid=PAAabVUkHIq4dJzGWITtrZzUcnXyJhoIPKx7dM4Fra3_nMcGCHScotRPvglQc

Then, lets quickly discuss Crohn's. The fact of the matter is that there is a pretty clear association between benificial outcomes (i.e flare up frequency and intesity) and fiber intake. It's largely based on epidemiological data, yes - but it's also in complete concordance with my and my colleagues experience as clinicians. Let me tell you that there are no 2 Crohn's patients who are the same. Everyone has a highly specific and sometimes confusingly complex underlying etiology - generally based on genetics and myriads of enviromental unfluences. I have seen patients who got significantly better after tripling their fiber intake. Contrary I can remember others who really could not handle beans and legumes well - so cutting out fiberous products was the way to go for them. Generally though, most IBD patients tend to do better on a higher fiber intake. 

It's all about how your specific microbiome and inflammatory mucosal response-pathophysiology responds to certain nutrients. In reality, it's a really poorly understood topic. There is a nagetice association with certain types of fiber (like Unfermented β-fructan Fibers), but we need further research to really make individual treatment decisions. 

Edited July 24, 2023 by undeather