Best cities

[at_anchor]

Relationships to me are the most important part of life. I cannot live without people I love around me. I'm thinking of moving someplace new one day, but I still don't know where. It's not about the money, many countries have great salaries and living standards. It's about people and culture. I don't know where to find the people that I will absolutely love and the place where I can fit in. I'm thinking of a place where I can feel at home, safe, secure, happy in peace and harmony with others. 

Edited September 4, 2022 by at_anchor

[Breakingthewall]

Madrid! The best city in the world, where everyone is foreign, and where the energy is always high 

Edited September 4, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[at_anchor]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Madrid!

Not for a billion dollars 

[Leo Gura]

One of my friends moved to Warsaw just for the girls. He lives in the city center in the best condo for $3k/mo and just approaches girls outside his building all week long. He says it's like paradise if you're into Eastern European girls.

Just an example of what's possible.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Leo Gura

[at_anchor]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

One of my friends moved to Warsaw just for the girls. He lives in the city center in the best condo for $3k/mo and just approaches girls outside his building all week long. He says it's like paradise if you're into Eastern European girls.

Just an example of what's possible.

How fascinating! 爱他们

You think that's possible? 

Edited September 5, 2022 by at_anchor

[Vrubel]

3 hours ago, at_anchor said:

How fascinating! 爱他们

You think that's possible? 

If you want an abundance of girls that are cute, feminine and stylish I think Paris is the place to be. Paris is pick-up heaven, no better place in my opinion. French girls are very cute as well as all the foreign ones there. 

Eastern Europe seems like a good option because of the cheap prices and abundance of some very feminine girls. Serbians, Hungarians and Baltics are a pretty bunch. Normally I would also mention Russia and Ukraine... but yeah...

Though make sure you have your game down before moving to such a place otherwise, you'll be in for a rude awakening when even supposedly "easy" girls flake on you one after the other, and then you'll have to return home without having had the experience you hoped for. 

From my experience, nationalities such as Spanish and Brazilians love being approached the most. They really appreciate that polarity. They will for example play with their hair and are easy to strike up a conversation with. In contrast, I noticed that more masculine Germanic girls can have more often shitty reactions such as being skeptical, unimpressed, and even outright bored.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Vrubel

[Hello from Russia]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He says it's like paradise if you're into Eastern European girls.

And then you get a cancer after being exposed to a heavy air pollution from these city centers and die young, hehe

What's more challenging, imo, is to find a girl who'd then would be into moving to some proper remote nature location and be your girlfriend here 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Hello from Russia

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

What's more challenging, imo, is to find a girl who'd then would be into moving to some proper remote nature location and be your girlfriend here 

I'm sure you could find such a girl.

The real challenge would be keeping a stable relationship with her, cause you'll prolly fuck it up and then you'll be all alone in the woods.

[Hello from Russia]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm sure you could find such a girl.

The real challenge would be keeping a stable relationship with her, cause you'll prolly fuck it up and then you'll be all alone in the woods.

I already fucked it up in a city and now all alone in it. At least I will be in the woods, a worthwhile upgrade ?

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

I already fucked it up in a city and now all alone in it. At least I will be in the woods, a worthwhile upgrade ?

Endless new girls in the city.

[BlessedLion]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

One of my friends moved to Warsaw just for the girls. He lives in the city center in the best condo for $3k/mo and just approaches girls outside his building all week long. He says it's like paradise if you're into Eastern European girls.

Just an example of what's possible.

I did this but in Rio because I love Latin/Brazilian women. 5 babes in one month. 

[Emrie]

I'm probably not going to come off well here but honestly it's hard to answer a question like this.

To really be able to give a proper answer to your question, one really must have lived in several cities and for several years (I'd say at least five, so they're well established, maybe three). Otherwise someone could say "well my city is the best!" but they have no or only little basis for comparison.

Not to mention different people look for different things and have different vibes so you might like one city but someone else will dislike it for the exact same reasons you like it.

Advice I could give you (and myself, really) is just go out and try cities yourself. Take a vacation, maybe two weeks, maybe three, or even a month, and pretend to live in that city for a little bit. See if you like it.

Also FWIW my experience has been that even the most "unoptimized" cities are perfectly fine. I live in a city of 500'000 people that's actually a big student town because there are many universities and even one of the only two very-very-high-education establishments of the country. It's not a gigantic city but there's a pretty good nightlife with a remarkably large choice of bars and clubs for its size (IMO) and it works perfectly fine to make friends and do pickup. I like living here because I like the aesthetic of the city, I love the country and the politics of the country, and I like my job and the economic opportunities here.

There are absolutely much larger cities with much bigger parties and events and much crazier things like what Leo and Lion are describing here but IMO it's not necessary. Having a decent nightlife is more important than having the best possible nightlife, the 80/20 rule applies very well here I feel.

[at_anchor]

On 9/6/2022 at 10:32 PM, Emrie said:

Take a vacation, maybe two weeks, maybe three, or even a month, and pretend to live in that city for a little bit. See if you like it.

Great advice, but it's like I have to make that decision this month and stick to it. So there is United States, Canada, UK, Ireland, Italy, France, Spain, Germany, and Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark). China, South America, Eastern Europe and Africa are out of the equation, as well as Australia and New Zealand. What are some really important factors to take into consideration when choosing a city? I mean, there is job opportunities, pick-up, language difficulty, security, openmindedness, development, education level. Norway seems to be a good bet, but I have a gut feeling about going there. By the way, does anyone know how to find that video documentary about some businesswoman selling toxic salmon farmed in Norway to the French? It appears like it has been taken down.
 

Edited September 12, 2022 by at_anchor

[Michael569]

Italy could be an interesting one for you to consider. 

The country has a wonderful balance of good weather, access to sea, mountains, lakes, forests and natural parks as well as ancient history and culture. Socialisation-wise, Italians are very welcoming even to foreigners. 

You'd have to learn the language but it is not a difficult language, perhaps in 2years you could be semi-fluent with some tutoring and study

[at_anchor]

Italy is a very fun destination, but the job market doesn't have many possibilities, not high enough salaries, there are weird types of contracts and weird types of shifts. The language is easy and you could say pleasing to the ear. It's a perfect place for dating. Everything is beautiful and elegant, although I don't know how do we measure which language and culture is more beautiful. It's a great place. I would have to think about it more before deciding. I don't know, it appears that no place on Earth is perfect. I saw some YT videos with Italians of my age, and they're so charming. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by at_anchor

[Emrie]

I might be quite biased here but I would rule out the US and Canada. The main reason for this is that they're terribly less walkable than European cities (even the worst European cities are better than most North American cities, and this is not just a US problem, Canada too). And I think that's a factor not many consider but is actually super critical. I couldn't imagine living my life needing a car but that is simply a reality for almost all North Americans. And spending so much time stuck in traffic is soul-crushing.

Scandinavia is interesting, yes. It is a tradeoff though, the climate is generally worse, you will lose sunlight earlier, it'll be colder and more rainy, and there's also actually not that many people living there, the cities aren't particularly big, and I think that will somewhat worsen your nightlife. Now like I said, if you go to a big enough city, and there is *a* night life, that'll be fine for socializing and dating, but I'd have to assume that if that's important to you, you'll probably prefer going somewhere else, Paris, London, or Berlin might be worth a look. On the other hand, you get a great political climate, great job opportunities, and a lot of really good things. Like those things you listed above.

Paris, London, Berlin, Madrid, Barcelona, or Rome would be the tradeoff in the other way, I would say. You get somewhat worse political climate, generally more right-leaning, neoliberal ideology, and policies that show it, but probably a better social life because there are many many more people, I mean Paris has almost 15 million people in its metropolitan area of 15'000 sq km (according to Wikipedia).

Of course I'm saying all of these things without having lived in any of these cities so no real experience living in them. But that is my general impression from stories I've heard, the news, and just how I look at the world.

[at_anchor]

I love the way you put it. I love socializing and dating, but I'm actually just looking for one good person. Socializing on the other hand just for the sake of socializing, I don't know, I guess it could be fun, but it depends on the situation. It could grow me for sure. But a bunch of sex is not necessary. I just want one long-term relationship with a person I fall in love with, deeply. With someone I get a big crush on.

So there is the possibility of working in Scandinavia and flying to London over the weekends. You get the best of both worlds. But I'll go with Paris, because Rome and Madrid are less safe and have much worse working conditions.

French is the hardest language. It's gonna be a tough challenge learning it and moving there in the next 4 years, but if I succeed, I can't imagine how happy I'll be once I'm there and well. It will be my dream come true. 

[Emrie]

That's awesome!

I'll be really curious to hear about your experiences there.

As a French native speaker, I can confirm that French is kinda weird (and gendered, because ... of course it is). Though it's great that you're actually willing to learn it. I can't tell you the number of people around me who don't care to learn the language of the area (I live in Switzerland, so area is more appropriate than country here) they live in full time and over the long term, it's baffling to me, and honestly straight up disrespectful.