What's up with people like this woman?

[Tyler Robinson]

2 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I have noticed that a lot of you all on the forum have no idea that we are in the biggest divide of male female relationships in human history. Going in that direction....we are literally there.

1. The red pill is a reactionary movement that sprung up as a result of the feminist movement.

2. The entire world population at large is having less marriages and babies and even with the marriages they are happening at much later ages.

3. Even when the marriages produce off-spring, they are NOT replacing them at replacement level which means there is a global depopulation going on. 

4. Right now both men and women are confused globally on how to relate to each other and would much rather live in separate houses.

5. The desire to be married has pretty much died globally.

6. Polyamory is coming back, community based models of raising kids is coming back.

This entire forum I have noticed is completely clueless of the huge divide that exists right now.

All good points. 

I would like to point some causes and reasons behind this great divide if you may consider - 

1. Feminism. Feminism was good for empowerment but bad for divorce rate
2. Extremely high standards in dating on both sides 
3. Red pill toxic philosophy 
4. Obesity 
5. Bad attitude towards Marriage 
6. Exploitation of men in divorce 
7. Less inclination to religion especially Christianity 
8. Lack of role models for men 
9. Emasculation of men 
10. Absence of fathers in many families 
11. Single parenting encouraged
12. Financial issues globally 
13. ... 
14. Lack of direction for most young men and acute unemployment 
15. Hyper masculine women, hatred towards men, pick up culture, porn, toxic attitudes toward women, rise of the alpha stereotype, lack of interest in monogamous dating, increase in cheating. 

 

[Razard86]

10 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

All good points. 

I would like to point some causes and reasons behind this great divide if you may consider - 

1. Feminism. Feminism was good for empowerment but bad for divorce rate
2. Extremely high standards in dating on both sides 
3. Red pill toxic philosophy 
4. Obesity 
5. Bad attitude towards Marriage 
6. Exploitation of men in divorce 
7. Less inclination to religion especially Christianity 
8. Lack of role models for men 
9. Emasculation of men 
10. Absence of fathers in many families 
11. Single parenting encouraged
12. Financial issues globally 
13. ... 
14. Lack of direction for most young men and acute unemployment 
15. Hyper masculine women, hatred towards men, pick up culture, porn, toxic attitudes toward women, rise of the alpha stereotype, lack of interest in monogamous dating, increase in cheating. 

 

The only point I would counter is that there isn't extremely high standards of dating on both sides. If you ask the average guy what he wants, its actually very low. Women assume men have high standards because they have high standards and they project that onto men. 

Men are actually very simple. In fact so simple its boring. Men actually have to be TRAINED, and TAUGHT to be more interesting to women because men primarily gain their entertainment through things like video games, working out, thinking about things like philosophy, science, technology, whereas most women gain their entertainment through relationships. As a result any man who isn't taught how to relate to a woman will try to talk to her about things like the above and will bore the crap out of her. 

Most men just want sex from a woman, and to be able to occupy the same space as her as they have no desire to talk about feelings etc. In fact most of human history men and women did not even occupy the same room much. The man would work for hours come home eat, maybe have sex if he had the energy and went back out there again. In the age of exploration many fathers would go on voyages and be away from their families for months even upwards to a year or years. 

Only in modern times have fathers been at home as much and now are encouraged to take a more active role in parenting. Also there are plenty of male role models, saying there are no male role models is akin to saying there are no good men to look up to, which points to the fact that masculinity has been demonized so badly that people think there are no good male role models. There are too many to count, but they are not talked about.

Most of you on the forums have no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes because in truth BOTH masculinity and femininity has been demonized in sinister subtle ways and caused a huge divide as a result. And it isn't even just that which is causing issues, this issue is also intertwined with how modern technology impacts humans. 

Look up the mouse utopia experiment to get an idea on what I mean with how technology impacts humans. We are basically reacting the same way the mice did.

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Razard86 said:

The only point I would counter is that there isn't extremely high standards of dating on both sides. If you ask the average guy what he wants, its actually very low. Women assume men have high standards because they have high standards and they project that onto men. 

Men are actually very simple. In fact so simple its boring. Men actually have to be TRAINED, and TAUGHT to be more interesting to women because men primarily gain their entertainment through things like video games, working out, thinking about things like philosophy, science, technology, whereas most women gain their entertainment through relationships. As a result any man who isn't taught how to relate to a woman will try to talk to her about things like the above and will bore the crap out of her. 

Most men just want sex from a woman, and to be able to occupy the same space as her as they have no desire to talk about feelings etc. In fact most of human history men and women did not even occupy the same room much. The man would work for hours come home eat, maybe have sex if he had the energy and went back out there again. In the age of exploration many fathers would go on voyages and be away from their families for months even upwards to a year or years. 

Only in modern times have fathers been at home as much and now are encouraged to take a more active role in parenting. Also there are plenty of male role models, saying there are no male role models is akin to saying there are no good men to look up to, which points to the fact that masculinity has been demonized so badly that people think there are no good male role models. There are too many to count, but they are not talked about.

Most of you on the forums have no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes because in truth BOTH masculinity and femininity has been demonized in sinister subtle ways and caused a huge divide as a result. And it isn't even just that which is causing issues, this issue is also intertwined with how modern technology impacts humans. 

Look up the mouse utopia experiment to get an idea on what I mean with how technology impacts humans. We are basically reacting the same way the mice did.

I would point out that Barack Obama is a good role model. 

 

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I would point out that Barack Obama is a good role model. 

 

1. Guy? Give more.

 

Also here is the mouse utopia experiment. 

 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

@Razard86 that's a good one. 

 

[Devin]

I think you're both catastrophizing, go to a local park, couples are doing better than ever. Just quit thinking so much

Edited August 24, 2022 by Devin

[Razard86]

Now study that experiment and how it compares to human society. And then watch this video. 

 

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

I think you're both catastrophizing, go to a local park, couples are doing better than ever 

I'm not you are just not paying attention. Its even happening in China. China has recently lifted their child limit. Its so bad in Japan and China they are creating fake boy/friend services where you can RENT one. I found a hugging service in Atlanta where you can pay someone to HUG you. You are not paying attention. Your head is in the sand. 

There is so much evidence I could fill this entire thread with it. There are short news videos about the topic. too many articles to count and I mean TOO MANY. Too much statistical data. To say we are catastrophizing is to reveal you are not paying attention. 

[Razard86]

Besides how are we catastrophizing? When did I say it was bad? Not one time did I say any of this was bad? I believe it is all good actually because it NEEDS to happen. Humanity's beliefs do not fit reality. So we need reality to TEACH US. And life is a BRUTAL teacher, but effective. 

[Devin]

9 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I'm not you are just not paying attention. Its even happening in China. China has recently lifted their child limit. Its so bad in Japan and China they are creating fake boy/friend services where you can RENT one. I found a hugging service in Atlanta where you can pay someone to HUG you. You are not paying attention. Your head is in the sand. 

There is so much evidence I could fill this entire thread with it. There are short news videos about the topic. too many articles to count and I mean TOO MANY. Too much statistical data. To say we are catastrophizing is to reveal you are not paying attention. 

Couples are doing better than ever, never before in recorded history has there been more intimacy and openness and connection in romantic relationships. You're focusing on the negative, a few countries in transitions.

https://www.prb.org › resources › is...

Is Fertility Rising in Countries With Low Birth Rates? | PRB

Figure 1 shows three of the eight countries with definite signs of a rising TFR (Estonia, Iceland, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, 

 

Not that marriage or birth rates are a metric to worry about

 

9 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Besides how are we catastrophizing? When did I say it was bad? Not one time did I say any of this was bad? I believe it is all good actually because it NEEDS to happen. Humanity's beliefs do not fit reality. So we need reality to TEACH US. And life is a BRUTAL teacher, but effective. 

Here I think

13 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Its so bad in Japan and China

 

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Devin said:

Couples are doing better than ever, never before in recorded history has there been more intimacy and openness and connection in romantic relationships. You're focusing on the negative, a few countries in transitions.

https://www.prb.org › resources › is...

Is Fertility Rising in Countries With Low Birth Rates? | PRB

Figure 1 shows three of the eight countries with definite signs of a rising TFR (Estonia, Iceland, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, 

 

Not that marriage or birth rates are a metric to worry about

Him and I are actually talking about America where it's actually much worse

Don't know about Europe. 

 

[Devin]

8 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Him and I are actually talking about America where it's actually much worse

Don't know about Europe. 

 

Yeah, I think it's fine in the states. Worry sells though, we're bombarded with the negative parts

Just go find someone to love

Edited August 24, 2022 by Devin

[Razard86]

54 minutes ago, Aleister Crowleyy said:

???

I get the feeling you are bored.

[Razard86]

are the one saying its bad. Who said worry? 

2. Your argument is akin to the majority of the world is suffering from famine and you list an example of a couple of countries who aren't. 

3. We are talking about relative truths so  of course you can find examples of people even large amounts who are doing fine it still does not happen at a greater capacity of those who are not living that experience. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-29/global-fertility-rate-a-population-crash-is-coming

Also its happening in Europe. This is a global happening. 

https://www.nber.org/digest/jul09/cost-low-fertility-europe

[Devin]

35 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

are the one saying its bad. Who said worry? 

2. Your argument is akin to the majority of the world is suffering from famine and you list an example of a couple of countries who aren't. 

3. We are talking about relative truths so  of course you can find examples of people even large amounts who are doing fine it still does not happen at a greater capacity of those who are not living that experience. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-29/global-fertility-rate-a-population-crash-is-coming

Also its happening in Europe. This is a global happening. 

https://www.nber.org/digest/jul09/cost-low-fertility-europe

I'm not saying global birth rate, marriage, or percentage of romantic relationships isn't down. That's obviously empirical data. I don't think couples were as close as they are now on average, is all I'm saying, I think we have better relationships

 

Your video is "crash is coming", sounds like catastrophizing to me. I don't see a problem with declining population

Edited August 24, 2022 by Devin

[Danioover9000]

   What's delusion is relative to one's worldview, stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality type, state of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development. The greater the differences, the greater the close mindedness and dogmatic responses.  

[Tyler Robinson]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   What's delusion is relative to one's worldview, stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality type, state of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development. The greater the differences, the greater the close mindedness and dogmatic responses.  

So you mean to say that there's no universal scale for development? 

Then why do psychologists have personality tests if everything is relative? 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

15 minutes ago, Devin said:

I don't see a problem with declining population

Do you think that the population is too huge? 

Why don't you see a problem with declining population? 

 

[Devin]

5 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Do you think that the population is too huge? 

Why don't you see a problem with declining population? 

 

No

I don't see it causing a big problem, don't see how it would.

[Raptorsin7]

@Razard86 So how do you see community relationships working?

So let's say you have a community of 1000 people (or what number do you expect?) would you expect people to pair off and form semi-long term relationships? Or would it just be everyone has multiple gf's/bf's?

How would you deal with issues where a few men may be much more desirable than the others and so you have a community where the vast majority of children are offspring of a few men?

And would you expect there to be an equal sex ratio? As a man I could see a community where there are more woman than woman being pretty interesting, but the alternative would be chaos imo.