I signed up for hustler's university

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson It's 50 dollars a month and you can cancel anytime.

[puporing]

3 minutes ago, KH2 said:

YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO COMPETE. Even if you're not aware of it. Life is not sunshine and rainbows.

Amen to that. Life can get really hard when just figuring out survival.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Raptorsin7 OK, that's not a huge amount. Leo's course is like 250dollars something but it's very valuable. Like lifelong valuable. 

I don't know much about this guy's course because I have never taken it. I had applied for similar things where a guy promised me that I could make a lot of money and I lost $1000. I suffered a lot of stress and anxiety after that.

Not saying that this guy could be a scam but I stay away from folks who that kind of stuff. 

Anyway take this suggestion a bit seriously if you I'll. I think the mistake you made with @Nahm is that you continued giving giving him money post the 3rd month mark. If something is genuinely useful to you, you would and must figure it out in the first 4 months max. If it doesn't you should drop it. You can't keep funneling your money into something and wait till the end like 8 months to know that it's not working for you. That's not just a waste of money but also a huge waste of time.

So set a bar for 4 months max. See how it's going for you. If it's good enough and justifies your payment up until then, continue for more. If you didn't see much benefit from the first four months, then cancel and withdraw paying any further. 

In my opinion, spending money is not a problem if it's a small amount on something that is of value to you. But be wary of spending big amounts in short periods of time because it doesn't give you enough room or time to decide whether it was worth spending, like if someone told you to spend $500 for a weekly or a single course, stay away from such, because they are designed to make you pay right away before you get to decide their real benefits. $50 is bare minimum so it's kinda a gamble you can say. 

Spend 4 months and that would come to $200 and then you can decide if the $200 was worth it. 

Also as a side note, there are many free resources like books and YouTube videos that teach you a lot of stuff, although I can't link it because I'm not in this market or area. But these places have a ton of shit for free for practically everything in life. 

So yea try to be more practical and reasonable this time. Give yourself a grace period of 4 months max so you won't feel guilty putting your money all the way. 

Also a cancel any time subscription based service/course is far better than a one time huge payment like 1000s of dollars. It's kinda safer on your pocket. 

 

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson My issue with Nahm isn't the money. It's that he claimed enlightenment and gave shitty advice. I just use the money as evidence of him being a charlatan because it's not noble conduct.

I agree with the other part of what you wrote.

[Tyler Robinson]

@Raptorsin7 but isn't 7-8 months too long for you to finally figure out that the advice wasn't really helpful? 

If I were you, I would have canceled by the 4th month. 

Does this sound reasonable in hindsight?

 

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Tyler Robinson said:

@Raptorsin7 but isn't 7-8 months too long for you to finally figure out that the advice wasn't really helpful? 

If I were you, I would have canceled by the 4th month. 

Does this sound reasonable in hindsight?

 

Yes in hindsight I would have stopped talking to him after 1 or 2 sessions. I learned a lot about dealing with mentors from Nahm, so it did serve me well.

My disdain for Nahm isn't rationale. It's a personal grudge.

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

I learned a lot about dealing with mentors from Nahm, so it did serve me well.

Can you offer a short summary of what you learned regarding dealing with mentors. Genuinely curious. 

 

[puporing]

Some people are really good actors and not using their "powers" for more selflessness... I've experienced similar thing with a therapist once, it went on almost a year before I realized what was happening (which was also partially due to my own shortcomings and need for healing at the time). That's not to say it was not valuable for me, it still was. And on the flip side people can learn/grow a great deal when they do see through a major deception. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by puporing

[Raptorsin7]

2 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Can you offer a short summary of what you learned regarding dealing with mentors. Genuinely curious. 

 

You'll have to ask a specific question. I could write 10 pages on what i've learned.

I'd say number 1 is that you're better off going on a retreat than spending prolonged time talking to someone while maintaining your current routines and habits. And I wish I picked a mentor that addressed my nutrition and health issues earlier. 

Working with an aryuveda doctor has been the most effective thing i've done myself.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Raptorsin7

[Tyler Robinson]

1 minute ago, puporing said:

Some people are really good actors... I've experienced similar thing with a therapist once, it went on almost a year before I realized what was happening (which was also partially due to my own shortcomings and need for healing at the time). But on the flip side people can learn/grow a great deal when they do see through a major deception. 

One of the reasons I avoid therapy. It appears suspicious to me. Not all are bad. 

I suggest you check reviews. 

But reviews can be fake too. 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

3 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

You'll have to ask a specific question. I could write 10 pages on what i've learned.

I'd say number 1 is that you're better off going on a retreat than spending prolonged time talking to someone while maintaining your current routines and habits. And I wish I picked a mentor that addressed my nutrition and health issues earlier. 

Working with an aryuveda doctor has been the most effective thing i've done myself.

Omg I'm getting hungry to know more. I don't know what questions to shoot. But please do a favor and write those 10 pages in your journal lol. It would be a great help because I tend to look for mentors too a lot like you do. 

So. Please do it. 

[Raptorsin7]

@Tyler Robinson Maybe in the future. 

[zurew]

30 minutes ago, KH2 said:

Tbh, the methods shown in HU are kind of exploitative in nature, and require you to step on someone else's head to be successfull, but such is the nature of this world, and of the economy.If you want to make it in life, you have to step on someone else's head, or else you stay where you are forever.

Take Leo and actualized.org for example, he himself is claiming that competitive mindset is not the way forward, but I bet his business made 10s of other guys who were interested in the same subject, reconsider their goals. He unwillingly crushed the new competition within philosophy/enlightement niche, by having unique and powerfull insights. Because that's what he did most of his free time, and thus he outworked everyone else.

There is a big difference between exploiting someone else's work compared to trying to create value yourself.  If your success directly relies on fucking over other people, then you should reconsider your methods. You can carve a niche without the need to step on others heads.

For instance, you don't have to use your marketing to talk shit about other companies, you can focus on your own product/service and market that without the need to shittalk or to bring down other companies.Or If you have a bigger company you don't have to bleed out smaller companies by bringing your prices down for long periods of time. 

Leo's business plan was relying on his message, which is to create and provide massive value. He wasn't fixated on this: "How could i fuck over other companies or people in order to become successful? Your relationship with all other companies and people don't always have to be rivalrous.

 

So if you have 2 principles:

1. I have to fuck over other people in order to become successful
2. I have to focus my time, energy, and all my creativity to provide massive value

The decisions that you will make down the line will be massively different  and it will be depended on which principle you will use.

[Tyler Robinson]

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

There is a big difference between exploiting someone else's work compared to trying to create value yourself.  If your success directly relies on fucking over other people, then you should reconsider your methods. You can carve a niche without the need to step on others heads.

For instance, you don't have to use your marketing to talk shit about other companies, you can focus on your own product/service and market that without the need to shittalk or to bring down other companies.Or If you have a bigger company you don't have to bleed out smaller companies by bringing your prices down for long periods of time. 

Leo's business plan was relying on his message, which is to create and provide massive value. He wasn't fixated on this: "How could i fuck over other companies or people in order to become successful? Your relationship with all other companies and people don't always have to be rivalrous.

 

So if you have 2 principles:

1. I have to fuck over other people in order to become successful
2. I have to focus my time, energy, and all my creativity to provide massive value

The decisions that you will make down the line will be massively different  and it will be depended on which principle you will use.

This was wonderfully and logically explained. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@KH2

3 hours ago, KH2 said:

Unless you're making at least 10k a month, by NOT working a regular job, but by doing some type of enterprenourial endevour while having some passive income streams, then shut up, because you don't know shit about shit. Most people here are not in that situation, I can say that pretty confidently.

?

   Dude! That guy's username like had k and h and a string of letters and numbers, I just shorten as Kid#guy, I couldn't remember it all. He'll be Doomstick#Guy next time okay?

[zurew]

2 hours ago, KH2 said:

Which is the goal of everyone, regardless of the kind of business they run. Affiliate marketing, copywriting/any type of freelancing, amazon dropshipping etc. are ALSO activities that provide value

Nope, most of those things are not unique and don't provide massive value, and most of those things are not necessarily scalable. If its for a starting point where you want to earn some capital to be able to start your business later, thats fine , but i would be curious how many people get rich from affiliate marketing or dropshipping.

Also this "passive income" idea is misleading a lot of people. Ohh how good is that i don't have to do shit and i can earn a lot of money. But in reality you either have to put in a ton of work first and then you can enjoy some level of passive income but even then you have to put in time and money to maintain that because it will quickly run its course, because almost all the passive income markets are competitive asf.

For instance, some people might say, youtube is good for passive income. You put in 2-3-4 years of work and then you can relax and don't have to do shit. But thats not true, even if you manage to get a high subscribe number, you have to upload some content, because channels that are inactive will get behind channels that are uploading 1 or multiple videos a day.

 

2 hours ago, KH2 said:

You can't get money from the thin air, obviously, you have to provide something, make someone'e life easier.

You can exploit someone or a business and get loads of money. With marketing you can make people believe that you provide something that you actually not, and then you can make people addicted to your product / service, and  then voila you can have a toxic business where you don't really offer any value, but earn a lot of money.

2 hours ago, KH2 said:

You're just regurgitating general basic information from life purpose course and other source, while gaving very shallow understanding of my perspective. Life is fundamentally competition.

Nope, my point was that you can choose if you want to have a toxic business or a business where you actually provide some underlying value and help people and not fucking them over.

2 hours ago, KH2 said:

And also, like I've said, you're always competing against other people, whether you realize it or not. In fact, the whole idea of "finding a niche", is that you compete less, and thus can dominate that niche. That's what Leo, and many others have done. But just because you are in a field with minimal competition, doesn't nean there isn't any.

I didn't say that competition is inherently bad/worng. The wrong part comes, when you are willing to do anything to take over including (directly fucking over other people and businesses) - like bleeding out smaller businesses, talking shit about them make them look bad, pressuring them to quit etc

2 hours ago, KH2 said:

That idea in and of itself is exploitative, and it's stepping on other people's heads. Someone has to be a brokie, and someone has to work 9-5 (most people) - unless robots and A.I. take over.

Yes, you could say that there is a built in exploitative nature in the capitalist system, but as a business man or a Ceo you can have a direct impact on how much you exploit your workers and how much want you to give back. As i said, you can build a toxic business, a toxic environment, where you take almost everything and don't give back anything or you can have a healthier and more sustainable relationship with your workers. 

You can also have a direct impact on what kind of business you want to have. You can have a business where you don't really offer any value and all your value comes from marketing but there isn't anything there that could be tangible and and you make people addicted to your service/item and fuck them over, Or you can offer value that directly helps people in a positive way, where they don't get fucked over but the opposite their life becomes better.

Its not whether you exploit or not, its about how much you exploit and how much you give back.

You can give back value through paying your workers more money and through your item/service (namely how much you help people who use your item/service)

Edited August 11, 2022 by zurew

[Danioover9000]

@zurew

4 hours ago, zurew said:

There is a big difference between exploiting someone else's work compared to trying to create value yourself.  If your success directly relies on fucking over other people, then you should reconsider your methods. You can carve a niche without the need to step on others heads.

For instance, you don't have to use your marketing to talk shit about other companies, you can focus on your own product/service and market that without the need to shittalk or to bring down other companies.Or If you have a bigger company you don't have to bleed out smaller companies by bringing your prices down for long periods of time. 

Leo's business plan was relying on his message, which is to create and provide massive value. He wasn't fixated on this: "How could i fuck over other companies or people in order to become successful? Your relationship with all other companies and people don't always have to be rivalrous.

 

So if you have 2 principles:

1. I have to fuck over other people in order to become successful
2. I have to focus my time, energy, and all my creativity to provide massive value

The decisions that you will make down the line will be massively different  and it will be depended on which principle you will use.

   Can you give an example, of a small business or company, that markets, provides services/values to customers, in a more socialistic business modal than capitalistic modal, without at all fucking over and manipulating businesses in similar or exactly the same niche?

[zurew]

3 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Can you give an example, of a small business or company, that markets, provides services/values to customers, in a more socialistic business modal than capitalistic modal, without at all fucking over and manipulating businesses in similar or exactly the same niche?

I wasn't talking about using a socialist structure, i was pointing to the fact, that you can use the capitalist framework and still give more back, than what you take. 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Yes, you could say that there is a built in exploitative nature in the capitalist system, but as a business man or a Ceo you can have a direct impact on how much you exploit your workers and how much want you to give back. As i said, you can build a toxic business, a toxic environment, where you take almost everything and don't give back anything or you can have a healthier and more sustainable relationship with your workers. 

You can also have a direct impact on what kind of business you want to have. You can have a business where you don't really offer any value and all your value comes from marketing but there isn't anything there that could be tangible and and you make people addicted to your service/item and fuck them over, Or you can offer value that directly helps people in a positive way, where they don't get fucked over but the opposite their life becomes better.

Its not whether you exploit or not, its about how much you exploit and how much you give back.

You can give back value through paying your workers more money and through your item/service (namely how much you help people who use your item/service)

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@zurew

2 hours ago, zurew said:

I wasn't talking about using a socialist structure, i was pointing to the fact, that you can use the capitalist framework and still give more back, than what you take. 

 

 

   I know that, I'm just curious of what alternative businesses you had in mind that would have proposed as a counter to that user's post of a capitalistic business and an alternative to whatever Andrew Tate would be offering. I assumed it would have been a business that is less capitalistic, and more socialistic framework? a business that's roughly 50/50 social and capitalistic? please give me an example to help me understand your vision.

[hyruga]

I love Andrew Tate. He gives the best advises!