Causation doesn't exist!

[Michael Jackson]

Hi. I just wanted to share an important insight when it comes to realizing truth on the absolute level, which is:

There is no causation.

Now what do I mean by that?

 

Well for example, when you let an object fall, its fall is caused by gravity, right?

Or when you throw an object, it flies, the flight was caused by you, correct?

Or when it rains, the floor gets wet. The wetness was caused by the rain, right?

Or take any kind of sientific observation / observable causation, thing A causes thing B, agreed?

 

Let me give you the right answer to all questions stated above: no, no, no, NO, NO!

And why is it a "no" to all these questions? Aren't the answers true?

 

Well the absolute truth IS, that you are God. As God you create the entire universe in an instant. This includes all seeming "cause-and-effect-relations." Actually, rain didn't cause wetness. You created rain, and then you created wet floor. These two things have nothing to do with eachother. Objects falling are not caused by gravity. Actually, you created the "falling" and then to excuse the fall you created this concept called "gravity."

What has just been said applies to everything you could imagine. There is no causation. Causation is an illusion that you are creating. You create reality in a certain way so that it seems to be cause-and effect based. In truth, you just created the cause and the effect together and they have nothing to do with eachother. You are the only true Cause. You are the Cause of everything.

 

The last and very important example:

You took psychedelics, and realized you are God. So your realization was caused by the psychedelics you took, which manipulated your brain in a certain way to hallucinate things, right?

Wrong. Utterly wrong. TRAGICALLY WRONG.

Truth is, you created psychedelics as an excuse, to make reality seem more real. There exists no causation. Psychedelics are a tool you designed for yourself to keep sleeping. By thinking that Godrealization is caused by psychedelics you can fall back to sleep believing that you are a human creature. And since being a human creature is something that you as God desired, here you are - tadaa!

When you finally get what I just explained above, not just intellectually, but as an actual fact, observable absolute truth, your jaw will drop down till it touches the floor. It is utterly profound. Reality truly is a dream-machine, and you are it!

Have a nice day boyz and girlz.

Love You!❤️

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by Michael Jackson

[Vynce]

The example of psychedelics shows perfectly the profound intelligence how God operates his Love into existence: 

So God can't just reveal it's true nature with some cheap "5 minute meditation app", but he also can't deny it's realization entirely.

So it chooses it's realization through substances, which cannot be obtained so easily, but are also not impossible to get. After that, it installs a social paradigm in which all experiences, which come from these substances are "hallucinations", and therefor not "real".

Furthermore, the paradigm says, that people arguing about the illusory (hallucinating) nature of everyday reality have just lost their mind due to psychedelics  

Perfect logic chain, to never run out of rationalization why you are NOT God, even if you have awoken to it. But in the moment of re-awakening, you get rewarded with the realization of your infinite intelligence. Thats why this part of consciousness called "psychedelics" are the most intelligent solution to this dilemma. 

[Michael Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Vynce said:

The example of psychedelics shows perfectly the profound intelligence how God operates his Love into existence: 

So God can't just reveal it's true nature with some cheap "5 minute meditation app", but he also can't deny it's realization entirely.

So it chooses it's realization through substances, which cannot be obtained so easily, but are also not impossible to get. After that, it installs a social paradigm in which all experiences, which come from these substances are "hallucinations", and therefor not "real".

Furthermore, the paradigm says, that people arguing about the illusory (hallucinating) nature of everyday reality have just lost their mind due to psychedelics  

Perfect logic chain, to never run out of rationalization why you are NOT God, even if you have awoken to it. But in the moment of re-awakening, you get rewarded with the realization of your infinite intelligence. Thats why this part of consciousness called "psychedelics" are the most intelligent solution to this dilemma. 

@Vynce This was beautiful! Thanks for your comment:)

[Jahmaine]

It's all one action.

[Michael Jackson]

9 minutes ago, Jahmaine said:

It's all one action.

Exactly.

[The0Self]

8 hours ago, Michael Jackson said:

Hi. I just wanted to share an important insight when it comes to realizing truth on the absolute level, which is:

There is no causation.

Now what do I mean by that?

 

Well for example, when you let an object fall, its fall is caused by gravity, right?

Or when you throw an object, it flies, the flight was caused by you, correct?

Or when it rains, the floor gets wet. The wetness was caused by the rain, right?

Or take any kind of sientific observation / observable causation, thing A causes thing B, agreed?

 

Let me give you the right answer to all questions stated above: no, no, no, NO, NO!

And why is it a "no" to all these questions? Aren't the answers true?

 

Well the absolute truth IS, that you are God. As God you create the entire universe in an instant. This includes all seeming "cause-and-effect-relations." Actually, rain didn't cause wetness. You created rain, and then you created wet floor. These two things have nothing to do with eachother. Objects falling are not caused by gravity. Actually, you created the "falling" and then to excuse the fall you created this concept called "gravity."

What has just been said applies to everything you could imagine. There is no causation. Causation is an illusion that you are creating. You create reality in a certain way so that it seems to be cause-and effect based. In truth, you just created the cause and the effect together and they have nothing to do with eachother. You are the only true Cause. You are the Cause of everything.

 

The last and very important example:

You took psychedelics, and realized you are God. So your realization was caused by the psychedelics you took, which manipulated your brain in a certain way to hallucinate things, right?

Wrong. Utterly wrong. TRAGICALLY WRONG.

Truth is, you created psychedelics as an excuse, to make reality seem more real. There exists no causation. Psychedelics are a tool you designed for yourself to keep sleeping. By thinking that Godrealization is caused by psychedelics you can fall back to sleep believing that you are a human creature. And since being a human creature is something that you as God desired, here you are - tadaa!

When you finally get what I just explained above, not just intellectually, but as an actual fact, observable absolute truth, your jaw will drop down till it touches the floor. It is utterly profound. Reality truly is a dream-machine, and you are it!

Have a nice day boyz and girlz.

Love You!❤️

 

Exactly

[Michael Jackson]

6 hours ago, The0Self said:

Exactly

@The0Self

[Carl-Richard]

Have you read David Hume?

[Consilience]

That being said, understanding the causal nature of relative reality can be indispensable for awakening. For example, deeply observing the links of dependent origination and experientially extrapolating the ineffable, infinite interdependency with all beings across time and space can be used to completely break free from self clinging and the activities of mind creating the illusion of relative reality. 
 

Be careful about throwing the baby out with the bath water and adopting what this post points to as a belief system before you’ve actually trained your attention to see clearly the actuality of your moment by moment experience and the dynamics at play. 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Consilience

[Reciprocality]

On the contrary, causation is that which connects now and now, yesterday and tomorrow.

The problem is finding scientifically what follows something else. You can always know that a causes b, but never if something similar will occur again.

Hume got it almost right, but he did not understand in his essays on causation how identity had fooled him.

 

What is hard is to determine if a were a part of the chain of events which resulted in b scientifically, this can only be induced. But the connection itself between that which were the chain is necessary, however fooled we are by the number of times we got the chain itself wrong.

In another way, without causation there would be nothing intelligible. Everything would float around in time and space without b occurring after a. the alphabet would change all the time, there would be nobody to sense time.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Reciprocality

[Consilience]

@Reciprocality Can you even claim a caused b if there’s no way to know something similar will happen again? On what precise basis are we assigning casual dependency from a to b?

[Reciprocality]

@Consilience That is a very good question, how can we in a scientific experiment know that it weren't something completely different than a which caused b? If we can not even rely on the induction of similar experiments?.

It is because causation is not what we think it is, instead of being something out there in a physical world it is instead a sensibility of our own minds. 

Causation is not subject to judgement, but instead immanent and necessary trough us. If it were not then nothing could keep us cohesive trough space and time. We are rendered by causation itself, and it in turn can be considered in a judgement or proposition regarding a and b, but a and b can never both be their causation and our judgement of them at the same time.

Though I recognize this is merely an outline, and not necessarily enough to persuade you. So ask or criticize if there is something you disagree with. Space and time, in turn, is also of the mind.

[Reciprocality]

So to be more precise, the scientific proposition regarding lets say the reaction of sun and water becoming steam is only causally connected as we experience it, but never in the paper (imagination) itself.

But in the experience you can know with certainty that causation occured, but not what caused what. but the reason you can not know what caused what is not because you can imagine a different cause to the effect, but rather that it does not present itself to you by necessity.

So I were a little to eager in saying that you can know that a causes b in particular, if it seems that is what I meant, only that a causes b in absolute generality, as in the past and future, to the exclusion of c, d etc.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Reciprocality

[Michael Jackson]

7 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Have you read David Hume?

@Carl-Richard Nope. Everything I stated above is something that I directly realized for myself.

[Michael Jackson]

6 hours ago, Consilience said:

For example, deeply observing the links of dependent origination and experientially extrapolating the ineffable, infinite interdependency with all beings across time and space can be used to completely break free from self clinging and the activities of mind creating the illusion of relative reality. 

@Consilience

I am not exactly sure what you mean by that. Could you elaborate?

7 hours ago, Consilience said:

Be careful about throwing the baby out with the bath water and adopting what this post points to as a belief system before you’ve actually trained your attention to see clearly the actuality of your moment by moment experience and the dynamics at play. 

Agreed. Beliefs ain't gonna help you. What is needed is direct realization.

[Michael Jackson]

6 hours ago, Reciprocality said:

You can always know that a causes b

@Reciprocality nope, you can never know that. But you can realize that nothing was ever caused. Reality is not causation based, causation is an illusion.

Event a never caused event b. There is only 1 cause which causes everything. This cause is God, aka your own true identity.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Michael Jackson

[Reciprocality]

@Michael Jackson What I mean by always is that there is nothing other than causation from a to b, and also nothing else than a and b in the meeting point of presence.

I made this clear above, it is not like a must be the cause of b out of a manifold a-z, when it comes to a chain of events in the 'outer sense' you can only induce what caused what out a given manifold, by means of memory of merely similar events. Or speculate by reason.

But in inner sense you can always know that causation makes a, b. Without causation there would be nothing of you. Causation is not only knowable, but it is impossible not to know it and also write on a keyboard.

A and B, to which there is no third is past and future in the way I meant it, it is as A and B every hypothetical causal chain takes form when actual. But out of a manifold of hypothetical causes it is not necessary the one which seems like it that is the actual cause, which one one would be forgiven for thinking I meant.

The illusion is thinking you know that causation occurs in something that is independent of consciousness, causation itself in you is necessary and indisputable, to claim that it does not exist is to prove that it does.

[OceanRiver]

@Michael Jackson all sounds like an argument from convenience

Hunter Biden “My dad plagiarised his law speeches in college because now he is president so he can do what he wants”

[Michael Jackson]

@Reciprocality @OceanRiver guys call me stupid but I don't understand what you mean in your posts. Could you restate what you said in another way?

[Reciprocality]

@Michael Jackson You are imposed by an idea of causation, the idea does not sustain that something always follows something else, therefore there is something prior to the idea, namely that something follows something else.

All this says little about the manifold of hypothetical causes to an actual effect b and neither which in the manifold were in the causal chain in what is referd to the "physical" world, only that whatever it were which constituted the chain were causal.

In a scientific experiment this can always be under determined, but in mind everything follows everything else including the scientific experiment. If it did not then you would not be here to see it, to call causation an illusion is absurd not because we can always under-determine the causal chain in the "outer sense" but because whatever the chain is we were sensible to its effect and some world prior to it.

That you were sensible to some world prior to it, whether that is just a memory and not itself actual may be were you disagree, but here it is indeed convenient to believe in substances that never goes away in something called meta time.

Not substances of a physical world in itself but of its appearances in mind, for this you may require to be rational.

If something can be at all then it must be forever.

If x is possible then x is actual. It is impossible to speak of possible but non-actual things what concerns the past, for if you do then you impose a will onto it.

How can the past be impossible when it is the most possible thing? (memory)

If the past is possible because of memory then it is actual because everything possible must have been.

Edited April 5, 2022 by Reciprocality