Leo featured in suicide cult article

[mandyjw]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes when you do access these levels of consciousness you realize nothing needs to be changed.  Yet at the same time it can be possible to change but that too would be your Will as God.  This sounds outlandish to a rationalist of course.  And of course I am not saying I can heal or anything like that.  But you are God dreaming up this dream and thus you have the ability to manipulate it as God but not as the ego.  

God does not posses the ability to manipulate. God does not possess anything at all, because it is all God. You ARE creation, creating, and creator. 

"Manipulate", what is already manifestation, assumed to be separate from what I think I am. But manifestation and manifester are not two, not separate, no line between them. 

[Jahmaine]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Hmm that's a really good question.  I think day to day I'm pretty orange.

Fair enough, thanks for your honesty. 
 

Edited March 10, 2022 by Jahmaine

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, mandyjw said:

God does not posses the ability to manipulate. God does not possess anything at all, because it is all God. You ARE creation, creating, and creator. 

"Manipulate", what is already manifestation, assumed to be separate from what I think I am. But manifestation and manifester are not two, not separate, no line between them. 

You can look at it this way.  Because everything is already God's will 

[mandyjw]

@Inliytened1 Is there really a "way" to look at IT though? 

"You cannot see my face and live." -God

Or is there a you to look at it? Can you see your own face right now? 

Edited March 10, 2022 by mandyjw

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Jahmaine said:

Fair enough, thanks for your honesty. 
 

No worries.  Hbu?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, mandyjw said:

@Inliytened1 Is there really a "way" to look at IT though? 

"You cannot see my face and live." -God

I was merely pointing out that miracles are possible.   

[mandyjw]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I was merely pointing out that miracles are possible.   

"It was a miracle. Doctors were astounded." Doctors think they know what the fuck is possible and what is impossible.  Turns out, there isn't a difference between possible and impossible. There isn't any separation between what isn't two. 

Like... what the fuck is this, THIS, THIS, right now? 

Is it mundane, everyday, or is it a miracle? How miraculous we can even gloss over how miraculous and inexplicable we are by calling it mundane and assuming we know what's going on. 

 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

"It was a miracle. Doctors were astounded." Doctors think they know what the fuck is possible and what is impossible.  Turns out, there isn't a difference between possible and impossible. There isn't any separation between what isn't two. 

Like... what the fuck is this, THIS, THIS, right now? 

Is it mundane, everyday, or is it a miracle? How miraculous we can even gloss over how miraculous and inexplicable we are by calling it mundane and assuming we know what's going on. 

 

True that   everything is a damn miracle.   Existence itself is the ultimate miracle 

 

[Jahmaine]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No worries.  Hbu?

Yellow - bordering Turquoise, only because I respect what a true “spiritual master” is. 
But I’m multi-perspectival, can easily detach and not shoot the messenger, I can meet people where they’re at without getting into conflict and I do see the interconnectedness of everything and how it all works together, plus various mystical experiences as to why I said bordering turquoise (as would be described in the model), I wouldn’t say I’ve fully embodied it in a way I’d expect from an Eckhart tolle, Dalai Lama or such like though. But yeah yellow primarily if I have to pick one.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Jahmaine

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Jahmaine said:

Yellow - Bordering turquoise, only because I respect what a true “spiritual master” is. 
But I’m multi-perspectival, can easily detach and not shoot the messenger, I can meet people where they’re at without getting into conflict and I do see the interconnectedness of everything and how it all works together, plus various mystical experiences as to why I said bordering turquoise (as would be described in the model), I wouldn’t say I’ve fully embodied it in a way I’d expect from an Eckhart tolle, Dalai Lama or such like though. But yeah yellow primarily if I have pick one.

Nice.  I struggle with embodiment.

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But you are God dreaming up this dream and thus you have the ability to manipulate it as God - not as the ego. 

As God I'm already doing. Everything is my will, each atom is exactly where it should be, everything constantly changing according my infinite will, so more than saying that miracles exist, we should say that absolutely everything is a miracle

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

As God I'm already doing. Everything is my will, each atom is exactly where it should be, everything constantly changing according my infinite will, so more than saying that miracles exist, we should say that absolutely everything is a miracle

Yeah agreed.  That you exist at all is a miracle.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah agreed.  That you exist at all is a miracle.

So saying: I am going to access God's consciousness and cure my cancer means that you, inlyitened, as an ego, are going to modify God's will and impose your own, since as an ego you don't like having cancer. nonsense in my opinion, there are no such miracles

Edited March 10, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[zurew]

17 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Once you stop worshipping knowledge and being owned by thought, you stop worshipping people you think posses knowledge. Or demeaning or belittling them for not possessing it for that matter. Because there aren't any, and no one possesses anything, no one actually knows anything. 

I don't particularly agree with Leo's behaviour, when he said something along the lines of, that he accessed such states, to which no one has ever had access before. I do have my own critisism of Leo, and i agree with you, that if someone wants to make it self to look like they are special,then, it can be a problem. Even if it is not intentional, it could create a dynamic where some people starts to worship that particular person.

 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

So saying: I am going to access God's consciousness and cure my cancer means that you, I inlyitened, as an ego, are going to modify God's will and impose your own, since as an ego you don't like having cancer. nonsense in my opinion, there are no such miracles

 As an ego no you won't.   As Mandy said you cannot see God's face and live.  It cannot come from selfishness.  

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

I don't particularly agree with Leo's behaviour, when he said something along the lines of, that he accessed such states, to which no one has ever had access before. I do have my own critisism of Leo, and i agree with you, that if someone wants to make it self to look like they are special,then, it can be a problem. Even if it is not intentional, it could create a dynamic where some people starts to worship that particular person.

 

The funny thing is when you do access these states there is no one else but you

 

[RMQualtrough]

20 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

God does not posses the ability to manipulate. God does not possess anything at all, because it is all God. You ARE creation, creating, and creator. 

"Manipulate", what is already manifestation, assumed to be separate from what I think I am. But manifestation and manifester are not two, not separate, no line between them. 

That would be the accurate interpretation, "Brahman without attribute" (Nirguna Brahman). When people only memorize Leo videos without actually having been through any sort of serious ego death, there is great misinterpretation.

The last video I saw with Leo he was discussing riding the wave of a reality which is simply unfolding. This state of being is the stereotypical "zen" state. Ideas of power and control are bizarre, twisted, and often delusional. Desire for control is very un-zen. The entire new age movement is jam packed with magical claims which take serious insight and turn it into a "soccer mom bookshelf bestseller".

The type of things James Randi debunked have nothing to do with genuine spiritual realizations. You don't smoke some DMT then gain magical powers like Hogwarts or some shit.

An example of a genuine realization might be that literally every form is subjective. A tape measure can read 30 inches, but the perception of how large that 30 inches seems can alter, because of course the tape measure itself is a tool in physical space. So you see that while the measure still reads 30 inches, there is a subjective element to it.

I used that in particular as it relates to "how you dream up reality".

[zurew]

22 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Is there really a "way" to look at IT though? 

Yes, there is always a way to look at it. Especially, if we are talking about perspectives. I think reality is sort of perspectival. From a human's pov it could seem like that miracles are happening, you could say that is is not true, because from the so called absolute pov it is this or that. We can dismiss the so called relative povs, or we can say that every pov has an element of truth in it.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

That would be the accurate interpretation, "Brahman without attribute" (Nirguna Brahman). When people only memorize Leo videos without actually having been through any sort of serious ego death, there is great misinterpretation.

The last video I saw with Leo he was discussing riding the wave of a reality which is simply unfolding. This state of being is the stereotypical "zen" state. Ideas of power and control are bizarre, twisted, and often delusional. Desire for control is very un-zen. The entire new age movement is jam packed with magical claims which take serious insight and turn it into a "soccer mom bookshelf bestseller".

The type of things James Randi debunked have nothing to do with genuine spiritual realizations. You don't smoke some DMT then gain magical powers like Hogwarts or some shit.

An example of a genuine realization might be that literally every form is subjective. A tape measure can read 30 inches, but the perception of how large that 30 inches seems can alter, because of course the tape measure itself is a tool in physical space. So you see that while the measure still reads 30 inches, there is a subjective element to it.

I used that in particular as it relates to "how you dream up reality".

Yeah but what you are missing is that God is everything and that also includes manipulation.  It just can't come from ego or selfishness. 

[RMQualtrough]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So saying: I am going to access God's consciousness and cure my cancer means that you, inlyitened, as an ego, are going to modify God's will and impose your own, since as an ego you don't like having cancer. nonsense in my opinion, there are no such miracles

A lot of the lunacy might come down to the choice of wording? I prefer the term creation over imagination, as imagination carries with it some implied control.

People go off the rails thinking if they just smoke some 5-MeO and "become God consciousness" they can perform magic like Harry Potter or some shit.

Of course, when there are no boundaries or limits whatsoever, there is nothing to grab. Any border of thingness you may expect to grab in order to manipulate you find is simply not there. You're at the full mercy of unstoppable creation, of Brahman. Experientially it is very frightening and just about the most alien thing anything could ever experience.