Fatigue after school and depression

[ShardMare]

I cant study after school cause i just cant im not lazy im just tired.
I sleep enough like 8 hrs(although i move a lot in bed, have restless legs, i wake up few times), i eat enough calories and dont eat junk food, i exercise everyday (although its not that much like 20m running and little bodyweight workout), i take multivitamin,C-vitamin, i took D3vitamin with K2 few times but i feel so different after it i feel hyped and chestpain so badly so i've stopped taking it (but it would actually give me energy tho imo), i've tried doing 20minute nap after school it doesnt solve nothing, im on nofap 50day(btw my libido is still like ass, i never had problems with relapsing like fr i only had problems with depression, lethargy. Like bro porn is such a good cope, you do it after work and its like so good stress release. I never fapped cause i was actually horny, i can easily go with life without fapping, its just the stress release. And now i just want to release it im so tired)
I've been to doctor did a bloodtest(not a full) they measured few stuff f.e. my iron,stool, urine etc etc she told me i actually have a good diet and theres nothing wrong. I'll ask can we check my hormones and vitamins. Idk what else should i do... Im depressed but its like nothing psychological(i dont overthink,worry, think like trash, i dont have negative thoughts at all), im just depressed for no reason. I feel empty and anger sometimes but idk why. I think its because of some biological reason and pills would actually help.
I dont know how to tackle that fatigue after school i cant study wtf should i do. Guys who hate their jobs what you actually do after work? How you survive?

[ShardMare]

@Michael569

1. 80 kg 170 cm. Also i dont have high body fat %. I have around 25%
2. I cant give you the exact number, i dont have an exact paper about my test but my doc said its a little bit lower. BUT few months back i had higher levels of iron back then i took 1 pill which contains 0,35 mg iron. My doc said to stop taking it then. 
3. No.
4. No. But i dont think i have problem with it. I dont feel nothing at my thyroid. Few months back i did another test. There was nothing with T3 and T4.
5. Yes they are good
6. A typical school day: morning 1 banana and 2 glasses of water [around 7:00] then in school i drink like 0.5 liter water and eat nothing till i get home [14:30] I eat vegetable soup(its very typical with lots of yellow carrots, white carrots) and for the second meal its 1 chicken leg and pea pottage. But its mixed what i get for lunch. I get my lunch from the hospital thats for celiac people. I think its enough, i dont feel full but its not that little. I drink water. For dinner [18:30] 3 eggs with paprika and no gluten bread (its not healthy tho, lot of ingredients in it) but sometimes theres nothing around in the kitchen and i dont eat that much lets say i eat a cheap  fruit flavoured yoghurt. Maybe i drink some cacao i bought from market, im somewhat addicted to them. Thats it. I drink more than 2 liter water a day, i go to pee around 10 times or more. 
7. I have stool everyday. 
8. Right now i just take multivitamin and c vitamin nothing else.
9. I run few circles in my garden it takes up more than 20m. I do bodyweight exercises like pushups, sit ups, i also use dumbbells for my arms,stretch etc.

10. No i dont. There isnt stuff that make me energized. I listen to a lot of music but i think its just simply addiction.

Yea i agree with you. But people at my school eat like shit, they constantly seek dopamine, they have addictions somehow they are not depressed.

What should i ask from my doc then what to do?

[ShardMare]

@Michael569 thank you i will do it tomorrow morning. But i only eat this on weekdays tho. I eat so much more on weekends and im still tired those days. Maybe i wont be that tired after school but my fatigue is still remains everyday. I can still feel it on weekends where i eat a lot more and a lot more healthier, lot more fruits 

[JohnnyAb]

Eat properly every day for a week or two and then come back here. 

[Carl-Richard]

Who would've thought the lesson was "eat your god damn breakfast"? 

[Gregory1]

On 28.9.2021 at 9:48 PM, ShardMare said:

took D3vitamin with K2 few times but i feel so different after it i feel hyped and chestpain so badly so i've stopped taking it

I can almost guarantee you that you're D3 deficient. 

I'm currently reading a book about taking "high" amounts of D3 for improved health and life quality. 

The book said that pain after taking D3 is common if you're highly deficient. It is a sign of things in your body being "repaired" and the pain could last for several months till it fades. 

I'd highly advise you to study vitamin d3 and start taking it in combination with your K2 again. 

[Gregory1]

21 hours ago, Michael569 said:

there you go! Fix this and you'll get your energy back. The breakfast should be the main and the largest (or the second largest) meal of the day. With single banana you're setting up your metabolism for catabolism & starvation until the first meal. This spikes your cortisol and over time causes a lot of fatigue as stress responses are exhausted  Seriously, this one thing may fix all your problems. 

Not necessarily the problem. I feel great without eating til the afternoon. In afternoon I eat 1 meal and that's it. To me from what I've read in the initial post it's clear that there is something going on with d3... which is extremely common by the way

[undeather]

On 28.9.2021 at 9:48 PM, ShardMare said:

I cant study after school cause i just cant im not lazy im just tired.
I sleep enough like 8 hrs(although i move a lot in bed, have restless legs, i wake up few times), i eat enough calories and dont eat junk food, i exercise everyday (although its not that much like 20m running and little bodyweight workout), i take multivitamin,C-vitamin, i took D3vitamin with K2 few times but i feel so different after it i feel hyped and chestpain so badly so i've stopped taking it (but it would actually give me energy tho imo), i've tried doing 20minute nap after school it doesnt solve nothing, im on nofap 50day(btw my libido is still like ass, i never had problems with relapsing like fr i only had problems with depression, lethargy. Like bro porn is such a good cope, you do it after work and its like so good stress release. I never fapped cause i was actually horny, i can easily go with life without fapping, its just the stress release. And now i just want to release it im so tired)
I've been to doctor did a bloodtest(not a full) they measured few stuff f.e. my iron,stool, urine etc etc she told me i actually have a good diet and theres nothing wrong. I'll ask can we check my hormones and vitamins. Idk what else should i do... Im depressed but its like nothing psychological(i dont overthink,worry, think like trash, i dont have negative thoughts at all), im just depressed for no reason. I feel empty and anger sometimes but idk why. I think its because of some biological reason and pills would actually help.
I dont know how to tackle that fatigue after school i cant study wtf should i do. Guys who hate their jobs what you actually do after work? How you survive?

21 hours ago, ShardMare said:

@Michael569

1. 80 kg 170 cm. Also i dont have high body fat %. I have around 25%
2. I cant give you the exact number, i dont have an exact paper about my test but my doc said its a little bit lower. BUT few months back i had higher levels of iron back then i took 1 pill which contains 0,35 mg iron. My doc said to stop taking it then. 
3. No.
4. No. But i dont think i have problem with it. I dont feel nothing at my thyroid. Few months back i did another test. There was nothing with T3 and T4.
5. Yes they are good
6. A typical school day: morning 1 banana and 2 glasses of water [around 7:00] then in school i drink like 0.5 liter water and eat nothing till i get home [14:30] I eat vegetable soup(its very typical with lots of yellow carrots, white carrots) and for the second meal its 1 chicken leg and pea pottage. But its mixed what i get for lunch. I get my lunch from the hospital thats for celiac people. I think its enough, i dont feel full but its not that little. I drink water. For dinner [18:30] 3 eggs with paprika and no gluten bread (its not healthy tho, lot of ingredients in it) but sometimes theres nothing around in the kitchen and i dont eat that much lets say i eat a cheap  fruit flavoured yoghurt. Maybe i drink some cacao i bought from market, im somewhat addicted to them. Thats it. I drink more than 2 liter water a day, i go to pee around 10 times or more. 
7. I have stool everyday. 
8. Right now i just take multivitamin and c vitamin nothing else.
9. I run few circles in my garden it takes up more than 20m. I do bodyweight exercises like pushups, sit ups, i also use dumbbells for my arms,stretch etc.

10. No i dont. There isnt stuff that make me energized. I listen to a lot of music but i think its just simply addiction.

Yea i agree with you. But people at my school eat like shit, they constantly seek dopamine, they have addictions somehow they are not depressed.

What should i ask from my doc then what to do?

 

Here is what you should do from a medical perspective:

- Thyroid: Did you just test for t3/t4 and not TSH? If yes, repeat the test including TSH asap. There is something called "subclinical hypothyroidism" and it could be responsible for your tiredness. 

- Bloodwork:
-> Complete blood panel, Creatine, GFR, ALT, AST, LDH, Bilirubin, amylase, lipase, Glucose, CRP, CK, (eryth. sedimentation rate) 
-> Vitamin D (25-OH) level
-> Full Vitamin panel, especially B-Vitamins, especially 6,9, & 12
-> Iron panel (Serum Iron, Transferin, Transferin-saturation, Ferritin)
-> (zinc, copper)

- Hormones: Check Testosterone/Cortisol + Cortisol/DHEA-quotient - progesterone is usefull as well (Maybe your GABA is too high) 

- Sleep: Maybe your sleep quality is shit. Get one of the many sleep trackers out there and do some self-experimentation. Sleeo apnea is often overlooked, sometimes almost subclinical and barely noticeable - the effects on your body could still be huge though. ENT/lung-doctors have certain tools that can help you with the diagnosis. 

- Depression: Please get evaluated by a psychiatrist. Lack of energy is such a classic symptom of a depression - especially the way you describe it. If we cant find any somatic cause, then getting help that way is propably your best move. It doesnt necessarily mean that there is somethign "wrong with you" psychologically - sometimes this stuff just comes and robs you any life energy. To be honset, we dont really understand what depression is and does very well - but we still manage to help some people. It doesnt mean you should start taking SSRI's asap - just get evaluated and talk with an integrative thinkign psychiatrist. There are some great ones that can really, really help you in that case. 

Edited September 30, 2021 by undeather

[Gregory1]

53 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

D3 could be an issue but he takes it in a supplemental form. Would need to see the results. 

He does not take it currently. Read the innitial post. He said that taking it solves is tiredness and energy problems but gives him some pain. This is a huge sign of defficiency.

[ShardMare]

@JohnnyAb @Carl-Richard @Michael569 It wont solve the main tiredness, maybe after school i will feel a little bit better... F.e. in summer break i used to eat so much more and exercise like 40minutes while i was on the sun. I was still tired and depressed. I felt better afterwards for like 1hr but it didnt solve nothing.

@Gregory1 Yes. I do know it would be benefical to take d3. I feel so much more hyped, i feel feelings, im feeling more creative and extrovert but how much chestpain it does its scary. But also after taking it i feel brainfog and i can forget things. I always take 1 pill D3 and k2, which isnt that much- 3000IU and 100µg. How much should i take?

@undeather Ok. I think my testosterone is low i have very bad beard like lot of bald spots. I have beard since 6th grade but still there are bald spots and my beard is not full.
Idk i asked a lot from my mom, i told her about my tiredness. I built a diet what i want to eat specifically 1 week but my mom doesnt care about it at all. She always say after i get home from school study and i always say im tired(no im not a lazy person once again). I asked her can we go to psychologist, can i get checked my hormones and vitamins get a broader bloodtest but she says im just imagining in myself the tiredness and just already go to my desk and do the stuff.

@Michael569 @Gregory1 i took it 3 times last week, just D3 and everytime i got chestpain for that day. This week i took it with K2 on tuesday i had chestpain again for that day.

Edited September 30, 2021 by ShardMare

[Gregory1]

@ShardMare

You could take up to 100.000 IU a day. Many doctors would advise against this, I'd advise you to do your own research. 

The following book is a must read, if you want a better understanding of your issues. 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1491243821/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=vitamin+d3+book&qid=1633032519&sr=8-2

By the way, your spots could very well be cured by gaining healthy amounts of vitD but I can't go into detail with that you have to read the book. 

Get a blood test done, it's cheap. Check your D3 levels, ideal is 90-100. For most people they are way to low, around 20-30. 

After blood test take d3, for exact amounts DON'T listen to your doctor. They will advice you to take way to little D3. Read the book, you could go with 20.000-60.000 a day. Author takes 25.000 IU a DAY just to MAINTAIN healthy D3 levels. 

Good luck and cheers! 

EDIT:

You should always take your VitD3 with K2. for 10.000IU D3 take 100ug K2 (MK7) 

EDIT 2:

Also I would advise you to clearly communicate with your mother. You have a serious issue that stops you from functioning normally. This is not a joke, this is serious stuff. If she doesn't get it I'd advise you not to listen to her anymore and go out on your own to get your tests done/get your problem solved. Your mom is not responsible for telling you when you should work and when you shouldn't. You should be your own boss and decide on your own when to study and when to do other stuff. 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Gregory1

[JohnnyAb]

@ShardMare

I doubt that you used to eat SO much more at any point, especially considering that you think that you eat enough calories now. All your problems, from low test, low libido, to low mood are linked to your extreme caloric deprivation. Feel free to look for a single special vitamin that you're missing and that will magically fix all your problems but you're wasting time.

In addition to that you're fat and have close to no activity throughout the day, especially for somebody your age. Start eating more and you'll start loosing fat. Add some proper exercise, not 20m run, what the fuck, to that and then start thinking about doing blood work, should that still be necessary. 

 

[ShardMare]

@JohnnyAb @Michael569 ok thank you guys, i ll eat more. i ll check back. can you link the post u wrote, please?

@Gregory1 ok i ll quickly read about it on internet then i ll start taking it

[Gregory1]

3 minutes ago, ShardMare said:

@JohnnyAb @Michael569 ok thank you guys, i ll eat more. i ll check back. can you link the post u wrote, please?

@Gregory1 ok i ll quickly read about it on internet then i ll start taking it

7 hours ago, JohnnyAb said:

 

Great! 

Don't forget to read the book;) 

And please update us with further information when things get better / worse

Cheers! 

[undeather]

21 hours ago, Gregory1 said:

@ShardMare

You could take up to 100.000 IU a day. Many doctors would advise against this, I'd advise you to do your own research. 

The following book is a must read, if you want a better understanding of your issues. 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1491243821/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=vitamin+d3+book&qid=1633032519&sr=8-2

By the way, your spots could very well be cured by gaining healthy amounts of vitD but I can't go into detail with that you have to read the book. 

Get a blood test done, it's cheap. Check your D3 levels, ideal is 90-100. For most people they are way to low, around 20-30. 

After blood test take d3, for exact amounts DON'T listen to your doctor. They will advice you to take way to little D3. Read the book, you could go with 20.000-60.000 a day. Author takes 25.000 IU a DAY just to MAINTAIN healthy D3 levels. 

Good luck and cheers! 

EDIT:

You should always take your VitD3 with K2. for 10.000IU D3 take 100ug K2 (MK7) 

EDIT 2:

Also I would advise you to clearly communicate with your mother. You have a serious issue that stops you from functioning normally. This is not a joke, this is serious stuff. If she doesn't get it I'd advise you not to listen to her anymore and go out on your own to get your tests done/get your problem solved. Your mom is not responsible for telling you when you should work and when you shouldn't. You should be your own boss and decide on your own when to study and when to do other stuff. 

Yeah - no - I am sorry, I have to intervene here...

You clearly have no idea how the Vitamin D3 metabolism works if you genuinely think its a good idea to prescribe up to 100k I.U's to someone you know through the internet. I mean, thats batshit crazy. That could kill someone in the right circumstance. I dont care what book you read or what you think is right or wrong - I have personally treated people with hypervitaminosis D who took much smaller doses than what you said is okay. 

Its not even that the author is wrong - it could well be that in his case and it some others, this helps a lot. But to give crazy high dosages of a fat-soluable vitamin to someone you dont know, without any significant data at all - is ludicrous. Just some examples:
- What if OP is already high in blood-calcium and also a fast receptor responder to exogenous vitamin D3 - his heart could just stop in his sleep
- What if he has a mutation in his CYP24A1-gene?
- What if his true cause of his fatigue is a problem with his kidneys? You could push him directly into kidney failure...

I mean come on dude, the first comment on the amazon-page from that book is literally a guy who almost died from Vitamin D ovderose. 
 

Please, @ShardMare - dont do anything this guy tells you without proper monitoring.
Start with your baseline Vitamin D3 - optimal range is between 50 - 80 ng/mL - it should be in the high normal range.
Its true that most doctors are very careful with vitamin D, maybe even too careful. Thats usually because they dont really know how high they can go and they just recommend dosages by mainstream insitutations or the instruction leaflet. Meta-analyses have shown that people with serum levels between 40-60 ng/ml have the lowest all-cause mortality, meaning they die less of all non-accidental diseases.

- 1000 I.U a day is usually enough to raise your Vitamin D levels about 5ng/ml 
- everything between 1000-4000 I.U/day is fine at the beginning and good for maintenance
- If you want to go high, start with at max. 4000 I.U a day if your baseline is low and  recheck your levels at some point, as well as your Calcium.
- If you want to go higher, you can do that with proper guidance (integrative physician) 
- I would be very careful with everything over 20.000 I.U a day 

Take care
 

Edited October 1, 2021 by undeather

[ShardMare]

@undeather I will just ask my doctor. Take tests first.

I stopped using D3 vitamin because i have serious chestpain after it. If i would take it every singleday for a week i dont know how i would feel. 

i cant imagine how i would feel after taking more than 1 pill. I can imagine after 10 000 NE i would just die lol

Is this common, to feel this way? this chestpain

[Gregory1]

4 hours ago, ShardMare said:

@undeather

7 hours ago, ShardMare said:

@JohnnyAb @Michael569

@Gregory1

15 hours ago, JohnnyAb said:

  I will just ask my doctor. Take tests first.

@JohnnyAb

Don't forget to read the book. Your doctor will be very closed minded to the idea of taking high amounts of D3. It's not what he has been taught when studying medicine, what today's doctors "know" about Vitamine D is largely outdated and not based on the newest discoveries/science on the vitamine.

@undeather Sorry but you're simply being closed minded here. If you truly care about understanding D3 open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything yet. Then read the book and eveluate it with healthy scepticism.

I do NOT advise to take 100k IU. I just said you COULD.

Before you do that though get an understanding about Vitamine D3 (not the outdated understanding from your doctor, but what actual science knows about D3). 

To get that understanding, read the book. 

[undeather]

7 hours ago, Gregory1 said:

@JohnnyAb

Don't forget to read the book. Your doctor will be very closed minded to the idea of taking high amounts of D3. It's not what he has been taught when studying medicine, what today's doctors "know" about Vitamine D is largely outdated and not based on the newest discoveries/science on the vitamine.

@undeather Sorry but you're simply being closed minded here. If you truly care about understanding D3 open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything yet. Then read the book and eveluate it with healthy scepticism.

I do NOT advise to take 100k IU. I just said you COULD.

Before you do that though get an understanding about Vitamine D3 (not the outdated understanding from your doctor, but what actual science knows about D3). 

To get that understanding, read the book. 

What the hell. You didnt even try to understand my point, did you? So lets go through that ....
 

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Before you do that though get an understanding about Vitamine D3 (not the outdated understanding from your doctor, but what actual science knows about D3). 

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If you truly care about understanding D3 open your mind to the possibility that you don't know everything yet.

So here is my background regarding D3: I am a licensed physician, working as a internal medicine doctor (spec. gastroenterologist) in a university hospital. Besides being in med school for 6 years, I also have several diplomas in alternative health approaches like ayurveda and accupuncture. Besides that I am attending integrative medicine workshops every other weekend. I have watched weekend long seminars about vitamin-therapy, including D3. I have personally read all the relevant literature in D3, basically all the meta studies, most of the RCT's and some of the preliminary data due to its potential relevancy in Covid patients. I was an early adopter of giving Vitamin D3 to our Covid patients. Back in January 2021 I held a presentation in front of my collegues about the potential impacts and potential dangers of Vitamin D. I have propably given D3 to hundreds of people. I have seen D3 overdoses. I have treated them. I also know exactly what you need to look at before you want to give someone a high dose of a fat-soluable vitamin. You clearly dont. 

As you can see, I havent just read a book.

You are right that most doctors dont really know about the whole literature about D3, but chances are high you dont know it either. Also, what is YOUR personal experience in treating a wide variety of people? Not some book - but YOUR experience.

Now look, as I already mentioned in my previous post - the author might be onto something. But to overgeneralize his statements without nuance and the required experience, is again, batshit crazy. Stop that black and white thinking. 
 

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I do NOT advise to take 100k IU. I just said you COULD.

Even telling people they "could" without proper context is of negligent nature. 
You are treating a human, not some bot over the internet. What if he decides to take it and suffers from one of the conditions i mentioned in the previous post? What if he does it without proper monitoring? What if he dies?

You dont think shit like this happens? Of course its very reare, but it happens all the time..

 

12 hours ago, ShardMare said:

@undeather I will just ask my doctor. Take tests first.

I stopped using D3 vitamin because i have serious chestpain after it. If i would take it every singleday for a week i dont know how i would feel. 

i cant imagine how i would feel after taking more than 1 pill. I can imagine after 10 000 NE i would just die lol

Is this common, to feel this way? this chestpain

@ShardMare

Its very uncommon to feel chest pain after Taking D3:
- Could be some adverse GI reaction to the supplement (chest pain in young patients sometimes comes from the gastric region)
- Try taking the supplement with a high-fat meal (or at least a bigger meal)
- Try supplementing magnesium as well 

[ShardMare]

I've gone to psychiatrist and I've been diagnosed with mild depression. I have to take this herb called St Johns Wort(maybe i wrote it down wrong) and i have to go back after 1 month