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1 minute ago, Lucas-fgm said:

Who do you think you are to be so sure what masculinity means? 

David Deida let's extremely clear that's mainly about mission, purpose, duty and proctection.

Men haven't lost those in today's times. What makes you think American men are weak. American men are just strong as other men. Your evidence please?

 


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1 hour ago, Nos7algiK said:

I'm in full agreeance to everything you are saying here. I can not stress the importance of introspection and personal development. Not just in the concept of relationships or sexuality. But, how they affect us within on actions towards everything. Though, personally like to take a more non-dual approach to it all. It's difficult for me to unsee my experiences with all of that. But, for the sake of conversation I'll agree with this dualistic view on it all.

Duality is part of non-duality... 

Non-duality means “not two”

So if you create a distinction between that which is dual and that which is non-dual... you end up with two. And you end up creating a duality.

It’s the same way with the infinite and the finite. Without the finite the infinite would cease to be infinite.

And likewise, without including the dual, non-duality would cease to be non-dual.


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2 minutes ago, Lucas-fgm said:

Actually, the nunber of incels they have is a pretty solid indicator for me.

Incels are always a minority. You forgot the majority.

 


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I find it humorous that pickup and enlightenment are like the biggest topics on this forum haha. Like that's the furthest the norm here has taken things. More outliers are needed to establish new norms. People get so triggered and confused by them as well because there's vampires and so many misled people in both areas. I'm like, my own norm ha.


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51 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Duality is part of non-duality... 

Non-duality means “not two”

So if you create a distinction between that which is dual and that which is non-dual... you end up with two. And you end up creating a duality.

It’s the same way with the infinite and the finite. Without the finite the infinite would cease to be infinite.

And likewise, without including the dual, non-duality would cease to be non-dual.

Of course this is the case, it comes with the territory. But, the solution to problems rarely exits by fixing the poles of the problem. Rather taking a holistic approach to the situation, there is a "solution". But, solution is not the right word for it for that creates another pole.

All of these concepts we are discussing are nothing more than imaginary, self fulfilling, and gives the illusion of a ground when there is none. The mind(ego) does not it when it can't feel it's own ground.

The finite can only be finite, if it also holds the seed to infinity. The concept of Indra's Net describes this very well. This is why the dualistic nature of our reality is highly relative. "truth" is that which you perceive it to be, or rather that which you are "now". "Truth" would be all the "truth"s summed into one within the essence of nothingness. No One holds the answer, but as One we do.

This idea alone is why I don't refute people' claims completely even if they don't resonate with me. For I know I'm ignorant and I can never truly know the finite due to it's infinite nature. I can "believe" to know, but really it's just a self delusion or confirmation biased. So with that, the philosophy is to meet my perception of other "As, I am". Which is just a fancy way of saying to be myself regardless of who I talk to. If there is an attractive female, there is no reason my ego needs to play mental games and treat her differently. Same goes for someone who may be homeless.

Allowing reality to play out, remain present, without past ideas/experiences tethering you to what is possible I believe is a key to peace. Even if I'm not fully there yet. Because I am peaceful and present, reality reflects that when I meet others. Specially in person, so I can only confirm my own biases. But, this is how reality works and it will always conform to what you perceive it to be. If it did not, you would realize very easily that it's an illusion and it would no longer work on the self. 

As many times and I say "I" or "self" there really is no self. It's just consciousness, just awareness, and not even those two. It just is what it is. Though, I would call it Love.

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7 hours ago, Emerald said:

What has to be understood is that male sexuality is both personal and impersonal in the same way that female sexuality is both personal and impersonal.

So, male sexuality (as a general instinct) is two-fold.

On one hand, you have the more reptilian brain stuff. This includes the desire for dominance and variety. It is most interested in seeking sex with as many fertile women as possible. And this makes a man most attuned to young women who he can claim as his own and impregnate to spread his genetic material as widely as possible. This part competes with other men hierarchically to impregnate as many women as possible. And to this part of him women are 100% interchangeable. 

On the other hand, you have the prefrontal cortex stuff. This is the part of the man that is pro-social that is interested in building community around himself. This is the part of him that is interested in love and friendship with a woman. And it is interesting in caring for and supporting his partner and family. This drive isn’t as spicy as the other drive but it is deeper and more gratifying... as long as his other drive is not being squelched.

This is essentially true, but still is a bit distorted. Right distinction, wrong details. I can confirm that I experience the two layers, but I think your explanation comes from the feminine perspective. And so it's not representing, nor expressing the masculine perspective correctly. 

For me at least, the prefrontal cortex stuff are subject to the reptilian brain the same way my logic is subject to my emotions. My logical mind doesn't control my emotions, although informs, manages, and directs them.

So, I actually have a desire for deep bondin with humans (not just women), as long as it serves my desire for dominance and acquisition. It's just that I am not interested in relations that don't serve my reptilian brain desires.

All the joy for me comes from satisfying the reptilian brain. And so, I don't enjoy the experience of the prefrontal cortex desires, it's mostly neutral to me, but I do enjoy their results.

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1 hour ago, Gesundheit2 said:

This is essentially true, but still is a bit distorted. Right distinction, wrong details. I can confirm that I experience the two layers, but I think your explanation comes from the feminine perspective. And so it's not representing, nor expressing the masculine perspective correctly. 

For me at least, the prefrontal cortex stuff are subject to the reptilian brain the same way my logic is subject to my emotions. My logical mind doesn't control my emotions, although informs, manages, and directs them.

So, I actually have a desire for deep bondin with humans (not just women), as long as it serves my desire for dominance and acquisition. It's just that I am not interested in relations that don't serve my reptilian brain desires.

All the joy for me comes from satisfying the reptilian brain. And so, I don't enjoy the experience of the prefrontal cortex desires, it's mostly neutral to me, but I do enjoy their results.

Nothing's more distorted than the idea that you have a reptilian brain which needs you to do stuff to please it.

There's nothing to manage with emotions. Either you allow yourself to feel them (which dispels them immediately), or you bullshit yourself through some idea like the reptilian brain as reason to not feel them.

EDIT: I realize you weren't the one who brought this distinction. I think this distinction (like materialism) has the ability to match reality but to identify with it and act as if you have a brain would be a mistake imo.

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1 hour ago, 4201 said:

Nothing's more distorted than the idea that you have a reptilian brain which needs you to do stuff to please it.

There's nothing to manage with emotions. Either you allow yourself to feel them (which dispels them immediately), or you bullshit yourself through some idea like the reptilian brain as reason to not feel them.

Wanted to let you know that your viewpoints on all of this are very much appreciated in my eyes. 

@Preety_India @Emerald

I watched the The Yin and Yang of Stoicism video you shared. It was very lovely and well done. As I mentioned before I've always enjoyed Emerald's work.

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28 minutes ago, Nos7algiK said:

Wanted to let you know that your viewpoints on all of this are very much appreciated in my eyes. :) 

Even better than my opinion is the opinion of your true self which appears directly through feeling.

If you already have opinions you feel good about but are unsure if they are actually true, you might want to dive deeper into this feeling of uncertainty. Then once you have the opinion that feels the most accurate, you might realize that all need to impose your opinion over others is gone, as there is no longer any neediness to validate the opinion (no more uncertainty).

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4 minutes ago, 4201 said:

If you already have opinions you feel good about but are unsure if they are actually true, you might want to dive deeper into this feeling of uncertainty. Then once you have the opinion that feels the most accurate, you might realize that all need to impose your opinion over others is gone, as there is no longer any neediness to validate the opinion (no more uncertainty).

I always found that searching for what is "true" when it comes to feelings is an endless battle. Once I contemplate the perception of a prior moment, I'm taking away my being from the now. Therefore removing my self in what is actually true, which is the present. The now is everchanging, yet constant. Temporary, yet ever lasting. So I've adapted the mentality of "it is what it is" or a permanent state of contentment within the present moment. There is no need to spin a narrative about what I feel or how I feel. This too shall pass.

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13 minutes ago, 4201 said:

Accidental quoting for this user

 

Sorry accidentally quoted

53 minutes ago, Nos7algiK said:

Wanted to let you know that your viewpoints on all of this are very much appreciated in my eyes. 

@Preety_India @Emerald

I watched the The Yin and Yang of Stoicism video you shared. It was very lovely and well done. As I mentioned before I've always enjoyed Emerald's work.

Can't wait for @Emerald's next video.

 


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31 minutes ago, Nos7algiK said:

I always found that searching for what is "true" when it comes to feelings is an endless battle.

How does this statement feels? "I can't feel to say whether this statement is true, because it's an endless battle!" No, this idea is not true, but if you believe it, you can act it out like it's true.

31 minutes ago, Nos7algiK said:

Once I contemplate the perception of a prior moment, I'm taking away my being from the now. Therefore removing my self in what is actually true, which is the present. 

Perhaps you are trying to explain this (imagined) inability to feel whether a statement is true as "because it's of the past". Your feelings have no limits, they don't only work on the present. They sure point you to the present because there is little reason to focus on the past but if you want to have an answer about the past, there's nothing limiting feeling from giving you an answer... except the idea that feeling is limited.

31 minutes ago, Nos7algiK said:

The now is everchanging, yet constant. Temporary, yet ever lasting. So I've adapted the mentality of "it is what it is" or a permanent state of contentment within the present moment. There is no need to spin a narrative about what I feel or how I feel. This too shall pass.

Yet feeling, just like seeing is different from spinning a narrative about what you feel or what you see. You've "adapted" a mentality in the past about how you should act right now which says "you should act in accordance with the idea of being in the present moment". Yet acting in accordance with this idea from the past, is different from actually being in the present moment which is no different from feeling.

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1 hour ago, 4201 said:

How does this statement feels? "I can't feel to say whether this statement is true, because it's an endless battle!" No, this idea is not true, but if you believe it, you can act it out like it's true.

The endless battle is the idea of when all feelings are introspected deep enough they arrive at the same point, Nothing. Nothingness maybe is a better description. Not the idea that I can't find it, but rather there is no ground to arrive at. There is no Absolute reason for the feeling itself to have manifested once it's out of the moment it was conceptualized. This nothingness has potential to be anythingness. It only remains "true" the moment it is felt. I can pretend like I have the answer as to why I felt something, but it is just a narrative my ego tells to me to validate my reality/existence.

 

1 hour ago, 4201 said:

Perhaps you are trying to explain this (imagined) inability to feel whether a statement is true as "because it's of the past". Your feelings have no limits, they don't only work on the present. They sure point you to the present because there is little reason to focus on the past but if you want to have an answer about the past, there's nothing limiting feeling from giving you an answer... except the idea that feeling is limited.

I don't disagree, but I have no reason to consider my past feelings is a better way of saying it. It's not that I can't contemplate, but rather the above statement I made will arise. This doesn't mean I will never again contemplate what I perceive as the past as if I think it is hopeless. It still has it's usefulness.

 

1 hour ago, 4201 said:

Yet feeling, just like seeing is different from spinning a narrative about what you feel or what you see. You've "adapted" a mentality in the past about how you should act right now which says "you should act in accordance with the idea of being in the present moment". Yet acting in accordance with this idea from the past, is different from actually being in the present moment which is no different from feeling.

It's not that I do allow feeling. I fully allow the feeling, the feeling will pass. There is no reason to latch onto it for I know attempting to understand it will either give me my ego's validation or nothing. There is no reason to purposely dismiss it for it's not seen as a threat or a blessing. I suppose if something extreme happened I wouldn't be able to hold this mindset. Though I suppose no matter what I do, even if I latch completely onto my feelings and spin the greatest of narratives, I'm still in the present moment.

I don't discredit feeling at all. I just believe we should breath with it.
 

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2 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Sorry accidentally quoted

I did this the other day, took me ages to figure out how to remove it - if you hover the cursor over the quote and then hold CTRL and right click, it'll give you the option to remove the quote.


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@Preety_India Oh right, okay xD


'When you look outside yourself for something to make you feel complete, you never get to know the fullness of your essential nature.' - Amoda Maa Jeevan

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