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Vegans are Sexy as Fuck!

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 @neutralempty , and @Scholar , you two posts have little to no validity in supporting the main idea of @Hero in progress, that Vegans are sexy as fuck. So far, all your posts are irrelevant towards supporting the OP's position, so irrelevant that @Scholar 's posts only address mostly the morality of changing one's mindset to Veganism, adding in philosophic worded questioning that does little to back up OP's original position, but only serves as a means to discussing Veganism outside the established framework that OP intended this thread for, which is to spread his ideological view of Veganism in a click bait trollish manner that warrents little serious concern, while  @neutralempty 's contribution to this thread is mainly feeding off of OP's inflammatory remarks and ideological spouting that's less severe than OP's, none the less immature and a mismatch to the intended writing style and tone for the majority of this sub-forum, that is to present in clear, scientific and realistic ways to improve one's health and overcome health issues, and to highlight any benefits and dangers of some health practices that require a tighter, more concise writing style most appropriate within this sub-forum, regardless of how relativity and complexities like different mental disorders, the economic costs of plant-based diets per country and culture(which  @Michael569 points out to  @neutralempty and other users, showing how Veganism still has realistic problems in terms of affordability, different levels of adaptability challenges, and effects on the body), different responses from each person's body in regards to diet changes, and so on. 

   In fact, the main gripe I have and @Michael569  has to the OP is in terms of how he presented his thread, in an informal, ideological, immature manner that is trollism and inflammatory towards others who identify as partial Vegans to non-Vegans, in an unclear and unrealistic manner that could do more harm than good towards those who are more serious in improving their diet and health. This is why both of us suggest to the OP to post in the journaling sub-forum, if he wishes to write in such a way. That way OP doesn't waste any of our time here, and he has a place where his writing style is more appropriate. However, OP's attitude remains ideological and triggered, so I don't have any high hopes from him specifically.

    @Scholar , I do enjoy reading through some of your posts, and your attempts to steer the overall thread's main topic of Veganism and sexiness, to talking about the ethical and morality behind Veganism and attempting to build solid points regarding ethics and morality, in fact most of your posts on other sub-forums, you mostly try and discuss outside main frames, which is fine because sometimes this ads more complexity to the discussions, while sometimes it does veer off course into other sub-topics, or to different topics entirely while not keeping to main topics... If you don't mind, could you elaborate on how Veganism is connected to attraction and sexuality, at least to offer some support to OP's weak position? If not, that's okay.

   Instead of countering both me and  @Michael569 's position in terms of ethical consequences, can you instead address our main issue regarding OP'S ideological behavior in this thread? If both of us are wrong, could you elaborate on why we're wrong for calling out OP's behavior? I like to know if I'm actually wrong, and the moderator is wrong, for offering some feedback towards the OP. Thanks.

   

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28 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

 @neutralempty , and @Scholar , you two posts have little to no validity in supporting the main idea of @Hero in progress, that Vegans are sexy as fuck. So far, all your posts are irrelevant towards supporting the OP's position, so irrelevant that @Scholar 's posts only address mostly the morality of changing one's mindset to Veganism, adding in philosophic worded questioning that does little to back up OP's original position, but only serves as a means to discussing Veganism outside the established framework that OP intended this thread for, which is to spread his ideological view of Veganism in a click bait trollish manner that warrents little serious concern, while  @neutralempty 's contribution to this thread is mainly feeding off of OP's inflammatory remarks and ideological spouting that's less severe than OP's, none the less immature and a mismatch to the intended writing style and tone for the majority of this sub-forum, that is to present in clear, scientific and realistic ways to improve one's health and overcome health issues, and to highlight any benefits and dangers of some health practices that require a tighter, more concise writing style most appropriate within this sub-forum, regardless of how relativity and complexities like different mental disorders, the economic costs of plant-based diets per country and culture(which  @Michael569 points out to  @neutralempty and other users, showing how Veganism still has realistic problems in terms of affordability, different levels of adaptability challenges, and effects on the body), different responses from each person's body in regards to diet changes, and so on. 

   In fact, the main gripe I have and @Michael569  has to the OP is in terms of how he presented his thread, in an informal, ideological, immature manner that is trollism and inflammatory towards others who identify as partial Vegans to non-Vegans, in an unclear and unrealistic manner that could do more harm than good towards those who are more serious in improving their diet and health. This is why both of us suggest to the OP to post in the journaling sub-forum, if he wishes to write in such a way. That way OP doesn't waste any of our time here, and he has a place where his writing style is more appropriate. However, OP's attitude remains ideological and triggered, so I don't have any high hopes from him specifically.

    @Scholar , I do enjoy reading through some of your posts, and your attempts to steer the overall thread's main topic of Veganism and sexiness, to talking about the ethical and morality behind Veganism and attempting to build solid points regarding ethics and morality, in fact most of your posts on other sub-forums, you mostly try and discuss outside main frames, which is fine because sometimes this ads more complexity to the discussions, while sometimes it does veer off course into other sub-topics, or to different topics entirely while not keeping to main topics... If you don't mind, could you elaborate on how Veganism is connected to attraction and sexuality, at least to offer some support to OP's weak position? If not, that's okay.

   Instead of countering both me and  @Michael569 's position in terms of ethical consequences, can you instead address our main issue regarding OP'S ideological behavior in this thread? If both of us are wrong, could you elaborate on why we're wrong for calling out OP's behavior? I like to know if I'm actually wrong, and the moderator is wrong, for offering some feedback towards the OP. Thanks.

   

As you said, I think the ethical question is central in this regard. I will use the oppurtunities that arise to advocate for my brothers and sisters.

 

In terms of veganism increasing sexual appeal, I think OP just wanted to counterbalance some of the narrative that you hear commonly in the anti-vegan/carnivore movements. You have for example that whole vegan deterioration series from sv3rige. In general, to many people compassion and having a firm ethical stance and confidence can be very appealing. A person can be experienced to be much more attractive if they have more compassion, and a willingness to stand for the weak and exploited. Usually those are attributes that human beings find attractive, they are idealized in our culture.

On the other hand if someone is so apathetic towards his brothers and sisters that he is not even willing to give up his burger to spare them from a tortured life, this can be very unattractive. This kind of selfishness and disregard for those who are vulnerable is in our culture demonized.

 

Of course this is relative to where a person is. To someone who can see animals as their brothers and sisters, someone who does not will be viewed as unnattractive. If someone views animals as inferior individuals, or no individuals at all, this kind of difference in perception, which has quite drastic consequences for moral evaluation, can be experienced as alienating. Imagine for example you had to date a girl who thought it was fine to keep a slave. You would probably experience her as less attractive, while she would experience you as less attractive.

The difference in your morality would be so big that to the girl you would be a constant reminder that how she lives her life is viewed as evil by you. She will probably view you as too sensitive, weak and overly moralistic.

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@Danioover9000 @Scholar @neutralempty guys thanks so much for sharing opinions and thoughts. I definitely have something to think about. The discussions are now going in a circle and this exact topic has been debated many times before with similar results. 


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