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When death is experienced, what happens to awareness?

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1 hour ago, WaveInTheOcean said:

My so called transcended mind is conscious of oneness. My ego has surrendered to the truth of love and oneness. Sure, love and oneness is never not the case. But most humans run around thinking separateness and evil is real. 

But It's not *really* that my transcended mind is conscious of oneness; it's more accurate to say that God/Love/Consciousness (i.e. the real me) -- through this mind -- is conscious of itself. 

The mind is a tool for God to know itself/recognize itself. That's it. Without something "apparet not-God" to contrast "God" with, God wouldn't know what it was. It wouldn't know it was infinite. Love wouldn't know it was Love. Consciousness wouldn't know it was Conscious.

A mind in and of itself cannot be conscious of anything. Only Consciousness itself can be conscious ... cos it IS consciousness, that is what it is. And "this" is also equal to Love. And to God. Ta-dah.

Sure, nothing dies during death, except the "apparent separate" mind/ego/porson, which naturally vanishes forever and ever when the body dies.

I have never said that ego/mind/soul/personality/beliefs/values/ideas continues after death. I have said the opposite, in fact. That dies. Cos it wasn't real to begin with. Only that which isn't REAL can die. Which means that EVERYTHING is unreal, EXCEPT of course: Consciousness/God/Love ITSELF. You see?

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Anyway, I was just playing a bit with you. Of course, I can see where you are coming from when you say that death is equal to an eternal deep sleep without dreams. That's true enough in its own sense. However, realize that you have never experienced deep sleep. Deep sleep isn't an experience.

So naturally, the only thing that can happen to *the real you* (as God/Consciousness/Love) after death is the same thing that happened to *the real you* when *the real you* were born.

Listen to the great Watts:

 

you're a good guy and I understand what you're saying ❤

Just pointing to the fact that if you look closer you may come to realize that these concepts and beliefs that are being identified with as true self or (*the real you* as God/Consciousness/Love) thoughts are not transcended mind thoughts, they're just regular good old-fashioned thoughts being identified with as 'MY' thoughts. ❤

 

 


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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@NorthNow Death is an extremely powerful force. My most recent insights from inquiry and meditation have been about death. 

Reflecting on the fact that you will die one day can serve as a good prompt for investigation. This is technically unnecessary, as that's an idea about the future and you only have to look at the present for this all. 

Acceptance of death is fearlessness. Death=flux. However, one can become conscious that one's true nature is imperturbable. Once you physically die, your true nature will still remain.

So then if you can accept death, all your problems will go away. I'm still very far away. 

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Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough

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35 minutes ago, dvdas said:

@James123 I allways enjoy seeing people like you trying to explain to them 

Glad to hear ??

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21 hours ago, An young being said:

 

@WaveInTheOcean It's interesting that you noted sleep is an illusion,How do you say that? If I am not able to be aware during sleep, how does it make it an illusion?

1. You have never been aware of deep sleep.

2. Yet, you still believe it's a real thing happening to you.

3. Therefore it is only a conceptual idea, that is relative true ("yesterday night I was in deep sleep for 5 hours"). It isn't real in an absolute sense. Therefore it is an illusion.

Everything in life is an illusion, except the very present moment, the now. This present moment / the now, contains absolutely no things: only consciousness/Love/God/yourself , which isn't a thing either.


Can you bite your own teeth?  --  “What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.

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21 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Just pointing to the fact that if you look closer you may come to realize that these concepts and beliefs that are being identified with as true self or (*the real you* as God/Consciousness/Love) thoughts are not transcended mind thoughts, they're just regular good old-fashioned thoughts being identified with as 'MY' thoughts. ❤

You are projecting your own experience onto me.

When I write God/Consciousness/Love , these words only have conceptual meaning for you, i.e. as 'not-real ideas'.

To me, these words not only have conceptual meaning for me, but ALSO they refer to something in my direct experience.

I'm perfectly aware that words (such as God/Consciousness/Love) are just rather meaningless ideas to the listener who can't refer the words to something in their direct experience.

It's like if you had never seen a tree with your own eyes, and I was telling you about something called 'a tree', and to you -- until you saw one with your own eyes -- 'a tree' would only have conceptual meaning for you as an idea, nothing else.

Become directly conscious of God and Love and Consciousness (i.e: merge with God) and then we can talk :-) Until then, at least be open to the possibility that, perhaps, these meaningless words are pointing to something, you could actually yourself become directly conscious of. 

What I'm trying to here is that I'm like a dude pointing a finger to the moon. You are stuck looking at the finger. Go look for the moon.


Can you bite your own teeth?  --  “What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.

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On 7/22/2020 at 7:12 AM, NorthNow said:

Clearly the awareness is here, now. But when this body dies, where does the awareness move to? Another body? Does awareness simply return to the all? Does anyone even have answer?

Is awareness infinite or finite?  Is body a thing or a thought? What is a thing sans a thought? What is a thought? Is thought infinite or finite? 

What direct experience have you of this death you speak of?  You’ve yet to seriously scrutinize any of this. You’re pretending to, through the filter of holding beliefs first. Let them go, inspect the direct experience of what is right now. 


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4 hours ago, WaveInTheOcean said:

You are projecting your own experience onto me.

When I write God/Consciousness/Love , these words only have conceptual meaning for you, i.e. as 'not-real ideas'.

To me, these words not only have conceptual meaning for me, but ALSO they refer to something in my direct experience.

I'm perfectly aware that words (such as God/Consciousness/Love) are just rather meaningless ideas to the listener who can't refer the words to something in their direct experience.

It's like if you had never seen a tree with your own eyes, and I was telling you about something called 'a tree', and to you -- until you saw one with your own eyes -- 'a tree' would only have conceptual meaning for you as an idea, nothing else.

Become directly conscious of God and Love and Consciousness (i.e: merge with God) and then we can talk :-) Until then, at least be open to the possibility that, perhaps, these meaningless words are pointing to something, you could actually yourself become directly conscious of. 

What I'm trying to here is that I'm like a dude pointing a finger to the moon. You are stuck looking at the finger. Go look for the moon.

It was recognized the finger the moon and the apparent space in-between was never something separate. And the only thing that created the feeling of separation was an illusory experience of the separate 'ME' inside the body. When that experience ended it was recognized everything was already IT... it was already whole complete unconditional freedom for No One. 

 


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

It was recognized the finger the moon and the apparent space in-between was never something separate. And the only thing that created the feeling of separation was an illusory experience of the separate 'ME' inside the body. When that experience ended it was recognized everything was already IT... it was already whole complete unconditional freedom for No One. 

 

Cool story. Mixing the relative and absolute together like a boss.

You should ponder much more if " No One " is not also someone :> 

I mean, who recognized that everything was already IT / whole and complete for No One ??

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Can you bite your own teeth?  --  “What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.

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